cage work

[WIDEOPEN]

alright ive searched all over san diego for a decent price on cage work i dont want much (full race) just prerun practical cage im runnin coil with 2.5 and 14,s in the rear with nationals and flipped shackels nothin special nevertheless i want a cage too many near misses :D anyone out there thathas time let me know i can deliver the truck in any condition and will help with the work i just dont have the tools or space to do it 94 ranger x cab all the fabricators ive gone to are giving me race cage prices and thats not what i want i try and tell them that and they dont want to build anything less so there quoting 3000 or more. yeah mabye for chromoly but i just want mild steel anyway any help is apprecited thanks

[jeff]

It seems that lately too many people are getting too worked up over which shop does what and for how much. Rather than turn this into a slam fest, or an "I told you so" I encourage anyone that wants to respond to do using the Private Message feature of the site.

Aloha

[TRichards]

You need to look at it from their point of view. It's a liability issue, If a customer wants a cage so they can beat their truck you run the risk of getting hurt and fabricators don't want their name associated with a truck that may crash and hurt the occupants. Most fabricators want to build a higher quality cage for safety and longevity and most "race" cages are properly built for the customers best interest. Also even a "basic cage" takes 40 to 50 hrs to complete and at $50 an hour it adds up not including overhead items and god forbit they make any profit.

[WoodyW]

TRichards read my mind. - But, what is this thing you call "profit"?

[Josh_K]

Mine too!

[WannaB-class5]

Okay, what am I thinking right.......NOW. JK. The way I see it you have two options. Go to a reputable shop, get what they what to give and pay, or find a newbie. Someone with talent but no big shop or a big name.

My roomate has a classmate with a very nice set up in his home garage. (Read huge garage and lots of money) and he is willing to do work cheaper and whatever Dennis (my roomate) wants. If you want to trek up to Glendora he is dying to do another cage....GOOD LUCk

[WIDEOPEN]

all of you are right lol i understand the liability issue but event he best in the buisnesss probobly started of in someones garage but thats exactly what im looking for is someone without a name but talent . materials are not a problem even if i had to pay its only a dollar a foot just tell me what you need and i can get it..for me anyway lolso ill definatly try your freind pahl thanks a ton guys

[la2baja]

Try Penhall fabrication. They do everything from top notch class 1 cars to prerunners. I know his race car stuff is gentle on the pocket for such nice work. You can see his ranger prerunner on penhallfab.com under the prerunner section. The cage is nice but not over the top race stuff.

[WannaB-class5]

I will ask him how much time he needs and a price on a "basic cage" if you have detail I can give him that works too. I wont see him until next tuesday I think, are you in a hurry?

Of course no obligation, I will just tell him someone is interested.

Pahl

[5racer]

if you think 3000.00 is to much then go buy all the tools and equipment and have at it .then repost and tell us how much it cost you .have the feeling if you realy think about it 3000.00 is a fair price .anyone with coman sence is not going to build you a pep boy roll cage even if you say its ok. if you sell your truck that fabricator is still liable for it .i went through this makeing custome tow hitches and my insurance found out and droped me like a rock.they made me aware of that law so no more custome hitches for me.as it is makeing roll bars is risky .

[WIDEOPEN]

in response to pahl no im not in a hurry im prepping for next year so no hurry thanks. But if i bought the materials and helped with the work ..alot of the work then 3000 is asking alot i understand all the expenses a fabricator has from rent to each electrode used. I want someone who loves to race and loves to build. not someone who loves money and wants a name. no offens to ne1, serious.

[OldStroppeTeam]

Why not look in to welding classes at a local college. Since time is not an issue, you could learn to do it yourself. Plus they have all the equipment there, once they teach you how to use it properly.

OR

Buy the basic cage on line, there are a couple outfits that will sell you the everything from a basic roll bar to a full cage You just have to install it ( welding, fitting etc.) yourself...

Good Luck

[Kritter]

2500-3000 is a good price for an extra cab no frills cage done right.

Dynamo Prototype just did some work for me and it is top notch and comptetively priced. I supplied material and drawings...he supplied his fabricating experience. He does mostly prerunners/race trucks but some of his roll cages have been built in 95k porsche 911s with 0 miles fresh off the boat.

Jon @ Dynamo Prototype
909-263-6363

[racer951]

Don't take this the wrong way but...

I doubt any shop is going to let you help out for a discount, it doesn't make any sense for them. Most people in the business love the sport but it doesn't mean that they are willing to do a job and not make any money. Just put it into perspective and you might look at it in another light. Or try starting a business and see if you still feel the same way about people trying to make a buck. Your best bet is probably to find a friend or friend of a friend who would work on it with you and not charge you too much for the help and tools.

[Brandon_Charley]

We're going to build a cage for my Beetle and probably start the Ranger then we'll start doing stuff for others. Keep us updated, and if you haven't found anyone, we'll definately help you out.

If your starting a new shop don't you need to do some projects in the beggining at cost or slightly above? Thats how you get your name out their. Thats who he's looking for.

[5racer]

you guys just dont get .say i build you a cage made of cheap steel o-to thin and piss poor design.and you go out and play trophy truck with your buddys and end up killin your self .now mom and dad have just lost there only son due to me knowingly makeing a cage that would not hold up and poorly crafted .so mom and dad are pissed and want someones balls so they take me to the cleaners in court .so everything i worked for and all those years are history because i built a cheap cage for there kid .im sorry you cant afford a good fab guy but run this by your parents and ask them what there son is worth .and 3000.00 im sure wont seem so hi .

[Kritter]

If your starting a new shop don't you need to do some projects in the beggining at cost or slightly above? Thats how you get your name out their. Thats who he's looking for.

You get your name out there by doing badass work that people talk about and the word spreads.

A basic ranger x-cab cage is going to take someone experienced 30 hours +/- 10 hours depending on how well its fitted, how well its welded, how well its layed out(thru the dash, in front of the dash...ac removed, etc).
Mine took about 80 hours but it was through the dash, ac vents had to be reducted, it was TIG welded so the fit took much more time and the welding took a ton more time.

Building a cage isnt rocket science (kiss) but it takes time and we all know time = money...3k is a good price for a DOM cage thats thru the dash with the AC kept and the seats mounted.

Also check out picone engineering in orange 949-735-7666

[mfs]

But if i bought the materials and helped with the work ..alot of the work then 3000 is asking alot i understand all the expenses a fabricator has from rent to each electrode used. I want someone who loves to race and loves to build. not someone who loves money and wants a name. no offens to ne1, serious.[/QUOTE]


i sent u a pm, $1200 for a basic cage .not $3000 so have u called me? no because u wants it for free dont u?or u dont even have any money so stop. u can love to buld all u want but when u cant buy food or pay the rent it gets a little old. its work not just some side hobby.
if u want to work in some ones shop why should u get to do it for free?i pay for my shop when i work on my truck, and i paid for all the tools too.
know u make more money then me and a lot of other guys on here so maybe u are the one who who loves money.
i get is all the time guys think im just ripin them off,when i make $2 a hr.not doing it for the money,u pay my rent and costs then well see what u got to say.

[WannaB-class5]

This thread took on a fun tone! If you don't want to help the guy, don't. If you want to mention that its a business and he most likely wont get what he is looking for thats great. I don't see anyone other than people like my friend and Cracka letting him help but he should be able to ask and get a nice no, not a ARE YOU KIDDING ME DICK kinda answer. You are all right, time is money and if he waits for a deal he saves money (and loses time). If he gets a shop to do it then he saves time and they make money.

I am sure there will come a time I need something and I hope I can ask for it from fellow RDC members. I know I am here for anyone that needs somthing I have to offer. I am not saying this to anyone in particular just lighten I guess. No love lost!

Pahl

[ZTFab]

Nicely put Pahl......


Wideopen.....I PM'ed you awhile ago and haven't heard back yet.....I'm still willing to help but you need to get in touch with me either way.......

MFS......WOW, you make $2 an hour!!!! That's $1.99 more than I make.....

Business is business and profits have to be made or else the economy would collapse.
Money does keep the lights on and make the world go' round but it isn't everything....

Remember, you could always be making a ton of money at a job you hate, with a boss who's an a**hole, and have to sit at a desk for 9 hours a day with a 3 hour commute in traffic.....the grass is always greener on the other side

[amrein1743]

WIDEOPEN - Sounds like you got the response you were looking for. MFS's offer to do the cage for $1200 sounds like what you were looking for when you first posted your question.

As far as the helping out to reduce the cost - I have been in that situation and it just doesn't work. You may have good intentions, but I have never found having the customer help reduced my fab time. The best thing you could do is when your ready to get your truck caged, strip and clean the interior and get all the carpet glue off the floor. Good luck to you.

Chris Amrein

[WIDEOPEN]

thanks for the response guys.first off i do have the money i havent contacted anyone because my email isnt working and no bull**[IMG]http://cdn3.race-dezert.com/forum/images/mexico-flag.png[/IMG] [I]¡Ay, caramba![/I]****[IMG]http://cdn3.race-dezert.com/forum/images/mexico-flag.png[/IMG] [I]¡Ay, caramba![/I]****[IMG]http://cdn3.race-dezert.com/forum/images/mexico-flag.png[/IMG] [I]¡Ay, caramba![/I]****[IMG]http://cdn3.race-dezert.com/forum/images/mexico-flag.png[/IMG] [I]¡Ay, caramba![/I]** my dog chewed my phone up. but i got a new one and will be in touch second i dont want NOTHING for free i never have im not a trust fund kid and im not a kid my mommy and daddy are not in the picture. through this post i probobly got 10-15 numbers for people williong to help me out and thats all i wanted was to find out who else was out there and who could give me what i want i have been in and out of this sport since i could walk i grew up around it and nowim trying to be in it and we all know a buuck doesnt strecth very far these days **** 20 bucks doesnt strectch very far these days. all the fabricators i know personally are in that broke ass situation where they cant help me i was asking for someone who can so dont bite my head off it doesnt hurt to ask.

[ZTFab]

PM's on RDC not working, either?.......just wondering...... :rolleyes:

If you didn't get my PM for whatever reason, my shop's # is (909)624-9930....

[mfs]

we are trying to help, but u where still talking about $3000 cage and u got guys giving u prices well under that, so what are u still talking about? i read some of your past posts about a bedcage under $500 are u looking for a shop price war or what?