Damen Jeffries Racing Future?

[Kirk_Babbington]

I noticed in the December issue of the Dusty Times that Jeffries Porter car is for sale. Does anyone know any news on their racing effort? Thanks

[LENNY]

He's going to race nascar with Hendricks Motorsports.Just kidding he's building his own class 1 car. Good look Damen.

[scoobs]

I thought the car was just a copy cat? Is he still going to race with Herman Motorsports?

[partybarge_pilot]

Actually, He's building his own chassis now. Allready has orders for 6 more. The off-road future looks good.

[CRAIG_HALL]

First chassis is off getting a body done.Second chassis is off the jig and getting tabbed out for accessories.Third chassis is on the jig with front end & rear mounts done and lower floor done.

The entire front assembly and rear assembly (arm & tranny mounts) are welded complete on a seperate fixture table and then transferred to chassis table for tube placement.These components are built complete out of sheet metal and are impressive to say the least.

[ShaneR]

So where are the pics?

[CRAIG_HALL]

Cant spoil the guessing\curiousity yet.

[obr184]

we were lucky to have a look.....

VERY nice!!! alot of thought and attention has gone into it.

[John_Bitting]

Do I smell a skunkz??

[CharlieIII]

Why yes you do...

[CRAIG_HALL]

Here's a few shots from the design...

When updated, pictures will be at Their site at www.Hermanmotorsports.com

[E&S Racing]

This car should be very sweet. Damen has some great ideas in mind for this thing. We (RothGaard Racing) our selling our brand new class 1 car to get one of Damen's new car's. We can't wait....

[CRAIG_HALL]

Some recent photo's...

[CRAIG_HALL]

some more...

[partybarge_pilot]

For all who want to see it first hand, the car will be in the Kartek booth this weekend.

[Jack]

I have wired a few trucks, why would any one need 20+ switches?

[RacrDude]

Nice Hot Rod!!! Can't wait to see more. Nice looking welds too.

[DG_BTI]

I have wired a few trucks, why would any one need 20+ switches?


I believe each switch you see has a circuit breaker below it, not another switch,

[movindirt]

I believe each switch you see has a circuit breaker below it, not another switch,

Yes those are circuit breakers and there are 20+ of them. I am sure they have a reason for each switch.:)

Now how about that upper uniball? Is that a new type or have I just been living under a rock up here in Yuba City....

[CRAIG_HALL]

Uniballs are the large NHBB ones.Same ones that have been used on the porter TT's and 1 cars.

[kevin bedrock graves]

nice work damen and casey, i'm sure you'll be one of the big three in no time.

[retroblazer]

So how does this car really differ from his Porter?

[5racer]

I have wired a few trucks, why would any one need 20+ switches?



i agree do they have a back up switch for every switch i mean how many eltc items can one put on a desert racer seems to me the less you have the better off they are and why not use switches with built in breakers .

[Scrapiron]

Looks like mig welds. Hope I'm wrong. It's a shame to see a 1 car cut corners.

[Jack]

Have a bunch of switches with out labels leads me to think one of them might be for turning off rear ambers.

Not any info about this car inpaticular but this has been the case with others I have seen.

[shrek]

i agree do they have a back up switch for every switch i mean how many eltc items can one put on a desert racer seems to me the less you have the better off they are and why not use switches with built in breakers .

The more circuits (switches) you have, the easier and faster it is to diagnose, isolate, and fix a problem with something.

Also very easy to eliminate amps, and run in "limp" mode, if you have a electrical shortage/problem for some reason. By only powering up what is absolutely neccesary.......

My .02

Shrek

[djchaser]

Jack - where do you see switches without lables on them?

I see 8 swithches with labels above and circuit breakers below on the co-driver side; on the center console I see the radio, two knobs for the intercom, 4 circuit breakers with labels below them and the 4 swithches for those directly below the labels; then there is a 2nd identical row. On the drivers side, you can see labels above the 4 switches which (knowing the way my brothers set things up) are the power switch on the left, starter and two fuel pumps all with circuit breakers below.

Have seen everything they are doing on this and all cars they build and prep and there are no corners cut anywhere.

[DavyD]

[QUOTE=Jack]Have a bunch of switches with out labels leads me to think one of them might be for turning off rear ambers.


Why would you even say that?
The Jefferies are one of the most successful class 1 teams right now.
Good for Damen & Casey..

[Jack]

Jack - where do you see switches without lables on them?

I see 8 swithches with labels above and circuit breakers below on the co-driver side; on the center console I see the radio, two knobs for the intercom, 4 circuit breakers with labels below them and the 4 swithches for those directly below the labels; then there is a 2nd identical row. On the drivers side, you can see labels above the 4 switches which (knowing the way my brothers set things up) are the power switch on the left, starter and two fuel pumps all with circuit breakers below.

Have seen everything they are doing on this and all cars they build and prep and there are no corners cut anywhere.

Sorry, I guess there are labels there, I just didn't make it out in the blur but the ones on the drivers side you can start to make out that there are words there. Just seems like alot, I do agree about being able to seporate as much as posable but I have always run lights in atleast pairs and it just seems like alot. (maybe it has heating and A/C) (joke)

I guess I should have worded this more as a question. What would all those switches be for? I have wired 9, 15, 8, 3100, and 1700 cars and never needed more then 6 or 7. Just wondering what other super trick items we have been with out.

[Martin]

Have a bunch of switches with out labels leads me to think one of them might be for turning off rear ambers.

Not any info about this car inpaticular but this has been the case with others I have seen.

I don't think Damen is worried about shutting his amber light off, maybe they haven't started to label the switches yet.


Jack have you ever wired a profesional class 1 race car or Trophy truck, my guess is NO!! but I know Herman Motorsports has raced and built some of the nicest cars ever built in this sport.

[CRAIG_HALL]

I'll guarantee there some of the nicest tig & mig welds you've seen-You've got to see it in person to appreciate it.

[Brad Falin]

whats wrong with mig welds:confused: if your not getting penetration on .120 wall or .095 or.083 then maybe you should'nt be welding there are lots of fine cars built with mig or gmaw. car looks great.

[E&S Racing]

We went to the shop (Herman Motorsports) and saw the car this week. Very bitchen car and great work by the all the guys. Very nice welds. The LS7 motor from UMI should fit very nice in the car and run very well. Great pics too GRAIGHALL...

[Jerry B]

There not going to turn off the amber light! That is insulting statement to the team and just speculation from a photo! For one there are 2 complete ignition systems in the car and looking at Eberts car at the 1000 with 20+ light on it that would eat up some switches. The Jeffries do not cheat. I saw the car last week it just being built! Look at the car at Laughlin.

[obr184]

Damen has done a wonderful job of this car. He(along with the rest of his crew) is every bit proffesional and should be commended on this car he has built.



Enough talking crap about them and the cars. No one will get close enough to Damen to even see his amber lights!

[Jack]

I wasn't talking crap as I stated earlyer no acuzations of this car I was just asking a question about what all the switches could be. If this is propritary info them never mind we will move on, I was just hoping to learn somthing sorry if I bent anyones fillings.

[Ramsey_ElWardani]

Anybody know what it was that came between Danny Porter and Damen Jeffries? Enquiring minds want to know. Another tragic celebrity breakup…

[Andy McMillin]

I bet Brian Ickler will get close enough! I actually guarantee it!!!

[partybarge_pilot]

Hey Beau, clear your PM's, your inbox or outbox is full. Stop by the Monster party and say hi.

[obr184]

partybarge_pilot---

PMs deleted.. go ahead.....

[BURLY]

I don't think Damen is worried about shutting his amber light off, maybe they haven't started to label the switches yet.


Jack have you ever wired a profesional class 1 race car or Trophy truck, my guess is NO!! but I know Herman Motorsports has raced and built some of the nicest cars ever built in this sport.
DAN, I was just about to say this same thing , but you beat me to it!!!!

[SLR]

Actually nothing happened. Damen decided to build his own cars.

No big drama, We are busy and so is he.

Coming from......

-DANNY PORTER-

[NIKAL]

I know they said that Damens new car with be in Laughlin. Is it there just for show at contigency or will he be racing it also? If he's racing it have they had time to test it or are they racing it right out of the box? I leave for Laughlin tonight. Hopefully tomorrow I will get to see it upclose.

[Fourstroker]

Any pictures of the new car? Or did Damen bring the old car. Any info is appreciated

[luckazz]

the old car was sold, the buyers are from Los Cabos, Mex.

[E&S Racing]

New Car looked SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[E&S Racing]

I think after seeing the new car at the LDC and the posted lap times for Sunday (Disregard Saturday!!!!!) we can ALL see what Damen's racing future is... Good job guys:D

[E&S Racing]

I think some of you were looknig for some pics of the car....Here are a couple, thanks to trackside photo.....

[aiiraciing]

Here are a few pics that I got of the car early Thursday morning right after they took it out of the trailer. I was told that they finished the car the night before.

[E&S Racing]

Those pics are way better great job...

[Kirk_Babbington]

Beautiful looking car. The interior looks to be well thought out, I love the panels, it makes everything so clean looking.

[Scrapiron]

whats wrong with mig welds:confused: if your not getting penetration on .120 wall or .095 or.083 then maybe you should'nt be welding there are lots of fine cars built with mig or gmaw. car looks great.

Do you agree that tig welding is a better welding process? The arms are tig welded and that is a high stress part. So he must know that tig welds are the best. Doing anything less than the best that it could be is cutting corners.

[scoobs]

I know this is about the new car but how do people like the Porters? They seem to be selling like hotcakes.

[E&S Racing]

When you ask about "Porters" Do you mean Porter's PRC or Damen's version of the Porter PRC?????

[scoobs]

I didn't know there was a difference. I'm just talking about the PRC like your avatar and like Caesar has.

[E&S Racing]

The one we have along with Ceasar is a Damen Jefferies Herman Motorsports Built PRC class 1 race car. Basically a Porter frame but Damen put everything else together. Damen ran a limited production on these cars and has since stopped building them. i beleive only 5 or 6 were built....Great freaking car though. ran bitchen and soaked up everything at Primm 2005. Oh yeah and ours is for sale as well......

[desertracer]

I was curious what sort of changes Damen has made to his new cars over the PRC that he has built? I can see the obvious visual changes but what has he done to improve or change from standard PRC as they appear to have many similarities?Both cars are amazing to watch run through the desert.

[CRAIG_HALL]

I was curious what sort of changes Damen has made to his new cars over the PRC that he has built? I can see the obvious visual changes but what has he done to improve or change from standard PRC as they appear to have many similarities?Both cars are amazing to watch run through the desert.

If you can see the visual changes then you should be able to see the improvevments.

As far as changes over his last car there are many. (first or second built of the current style porter chassis)Lets not forget Damen & Casey had ALOT of influence on the way their old car was built, they were there every day.

--Width & height of "cockpit" to easily accomodate larger drivers (without moving tubes)
--55 gallon useable cell
--Location of cell (under seats)
--Front geometry (camber curve that was wanted)
--front shock location, position & location
--steering geometry (ackerman is different)
--rear suspension geometry (pivot height, angle as well as arm length)

Every part is fixtured to insure repeatability & a square race car.Every car is identical no one -offs.

All components were drawn with a professional 3-d modeling program.Not only are each parts exact duplicates but the welding fixtures were also drawn and lasered out so the lasered arms are built to the exact dimensions they were each drawn to.
Any more question?--I'm sure I can answer alot of them,Craig

And there are 7 of these new cars already sold, 1 or 2 should be at San Felipe.

This coming from Damen himself.

[desertracer]

Exactly what I was trying to figure out. Thanks

[E&S Racing]

Hey Craig great response bro, I wouldn't have come close to that...I think it's obvious just by looking at the cars, but thats only me and my opinion doesn't count for much. I only race in a Damen built car. what do I know

[E&S Racing]

Hey guys in response to the question asked about the welds, I posed this question to an engineer friend that is very familiar with what the guys at Herman Motorsports are trying to achieve, and this was the research he did, and the answer he gave me.
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Quote from American Welding Society

“The director of engineering was asked, and he's of the opinion that TIG welding is superior in strength and over time (Vibration Testing specifically) will last longer than MIG welding. His opinions are shaped by experience, but is there a technical foundation for these opinions, or did he just test some bad MIG welds in the past. I've asked around a bunch, and I'm maintaining that, "If done properly" neither is superior for strength. I'm I right? Are there other issues to be considered?

I agree with the "if it is done correctly" philosophy. Either process will produce satisfactory results.

TIG obviously provides better control with regards to heat input (if performed properly).

MIG obviously permits higher deposition rates and travel speed (if performed properly). This also permits a reduction in heat input.

These are just a few factoids. There are many more reasons to utilize one process over another.”

With that said.

#1 MIG is less versatile for wire composites available.

#2 MIG more tedious to set up from one type of weld and/or thickness to another.

#3 MIG is harder to fill gaps with.

So let’s talk about Damen’s new car.

First the frame,,,,,,

#1 Answer Don’t need the versatility of materials because you are only welding hundreds of inches of the same material and only two thicknesses of tubing.

#2 Answer Don’t care if MIG is more tedious to set up (power level, speeds, and feeds) again you are welding hundreds of inches of the same darn tubing. Not to mention you will make up this time in the first hundred inches you MIG.

#3 have you seen the CNC bent tubes, the fit of the tubes, and the chassis jig that Damen uses at the shop? There are no gaps to fill,,,, you could probably hold that frame together with spit, the tubes fit so well. JK.

Now lets talk about the other none frame items. (spindles, arms, etc.)

This is when you have differing thickness materials to weld, and/or areas that have inconsistent geometries.

#2 Answer You want the control of precise heat to two unlike parts,, and TIG will allow you to see the penetration prior to adding fillet rod.

#3 Answer If there were any gaps to fill you have the right choice, TIG.

And lastly,, these parts that are TIG will be crack checked periodically and seeing a crack through TIG is much easier.

[luckazz]

Pics of ex-Damen Jefferies car in Los Cabos!!

http://mx.geocities.com/luckazz_webz/images/migrino-test_01.jpg

http://mx.geocities.com/luckazz_webz/images/migrino-test_02.jpg

http://mx.geocities.com/luckazz_webz/images/migrino-test_03.jpg

http://mx.geocities.com/luckazz_webz/images/migrino-test_04.jpg

http://mx.geocities.com/luckazz_webz/images/migrino-test_05.jpg

[luckazz]

http://mx.geocities.com/luckazz_webz/images/migrino-test_06.jpg

http://mx.geocities.com/luckazz_webz/images/migrino-test_07.jpg

http://mx.geocities.com/luckazz_webz/images/migrino-test_08.jpg

http://mx.geocities.com/luckazz_webz/images/migrino-test_09.jpg

http://mx.geocities.com/luckazz_webz/images/migrino-test_10.jpg

We're so glad to have this awesome car here!! :D

[DavyD]

last week I seen Damens old car on a trailer
going south on the 15 freeway ....
also I was on the Herman Motorsports site,
its now updated a little. great car.
i cant wait to see how it does in San Felipe.
http://www.hermanmotorsports.com/trk.htm

D

[CRAIG_HALL]

Not to confuse anybody but the NEW owners last name is also Jefferies but spelled differently (jeffries)...

[Ryan_P]

Anyone know what the cost of a turnkey car is? I remember talking to Damen's father at the roulette table on Thursday nigh, but that was after a few drinks and at 3 a.m. lol Thanks in advance.

-Ryan

[TDORSloppy]

Anyone know what the cost of a turnkey car is? I remember talking to Damen's father at the roulette table on Thursday nigh, but that was after a few drinks and at 3 a.m. lol Thanks in advance.

-Ryan

$180K range depending on options

[Grunion]

ok i know this is off the sunject kinda but why would turning the amber light off give any advantage in a race?

[obr184]

they cant see you in the dust.

[Grunion]

ok wouldnt that be a disadvantage.

[bcampbell04]

that's not really safe...glad to see that he sold his old car..hopefully the new owner will race it because that is a great car..wish he was racing parker so i could check out the new car

[C. Bucher]

The idea behind turning the Amber light off is so that the person who's behind you cant trail you in the dust using that light as a guide. That light shines well through a lot of different dust trails and can be especially useful at night. If you turn the light off, the person can only see into the dust as far as their lights and eyes will let them.

[Grunion]

thanks bucher i get it now.

[luckyride]

[QUOTE=movindirt]Yes those are circuit breakers and there are 20+ of them. I am sure they have a reason for each switch.:)

Any Chance anyone can tell me where the get switches and circuit breakers like those?

Thanks

[mattb]

[QUOTE=movindirt]Yes those are circuit breakers and there are 20+ of them. I am sure they have a reason for each switch.:)

Any Chance anyone can tell me where the get switches and circuit breakers like those?

Thanks


Search "Circuit breakers" in the search tab on the tool bar. There's loads of info on this site to research.

[Fourstroker]

Anyone know what one of these goes for?


$180K range depending on options

Check out www.hermanmotorsports.com. They have a new "Build Your Car" Pagewith optional equipment. Base Race Car is $185,000 (Complete Turnkey, Tested ready to race). Also noticed a package for a 3 seat Prerunner but no pictures.

Lastly anybody willing to loan me about $200k?? Looks like a bitchin car and was fast right out of the box.

[steelman]

Anyone know what one of these goes for?



Check out www.hermanmotorsports.com. They have a new "Build Your Car" Pagewith optional equipment. Base Race Car is $185,000 (Complete Turnkey, Tested ready to race). Also noticed a package for a 3 seat Prerunner but no pictures.

Lastly anybody willing to loan me about $200k?? Looks like a bitchin car and was fast right out of the box.

Just for fellow racers, I have a special rate of prime+2% for 24months with 0% down