who ownes what?

[don ron]

in all of the talk of who ownes robbie gordins nascar team. it is said he is the owner so if he is the owner and gets points taken away and is fined why does jimmy smith get find and owner points taken away from him ???

[ChuckH]

And who ever answers this question has to do it Abbot and Costello style

[FlyHiFlyLo]

in all of the talk of who ownes robbie gordins nascar team. it is said he is the owner so if he is the owner and gets points taken away and is fined why does jimmy smith get find and owner points taken away from him ???


Car numbers are owned by NASCAR and they issue the numbers how they want. It is a very political process. Last year Richard Childress and still till now wants that #7. Even though Robby bought the team from Jimmy, Jimmy is still listed as the owner this helps secure the team as the number was issued 5 years ago. I'm sure if RG does real well this year NASCAR will not try to yank the Number if RG attempts to List himself as the owner in the future.

To answer your question, yes Jimmy gets dinged for the Fine and the points, but he is listed as the owner of Robby Gordon Motorsports. So as far as the fine being paid, Robby Gordon Motorsports writes the check, not Ultra Motorsports.

[FlyHiFlyLo]

(Another Example, Jimmie Johnson is actually owned by Jeff Gordon, but his number 48 is owned by Rick Hendrick Motorsports, does that help explain it a little better?)

Nascar has nothing to say about who gets what numbers...

Nascar has EVERYTHING to do with who gets what #. No team owns their number. The only part of a number a team owns is the style of the number via trademark protection.

Read the post in front of yours to get the truth.

This year, RG will be listed as the team owner.

[FlyHiFlyLo]

People come here for information Fly........when you misinform them, you just make the situation worse. If you don't know something, just refrain from posting as opposed to supplying 100% incorrect information and perpetuating people's questions.

Whatever, you don't know sheit. Don't even post here. Do just a tad bit of research before you talk out yer ares.

[Bohr7]

My apologies to Don and chuck for attempting to answer your questions and getting slammed for it, Chuck you've always been there when I had a question and I tried valiently to return the favor...................I have a Nascar rule book if either one of you feel your questions are important enough to email me for the correct information.

I simply cannot understand why fly feels his chest beating is more important than getting your questions answered correctly.

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Sorry, if you just posted the right stuff it wouldn't need to be deleted?

[Bohr7]

My posts were deleted fly because I refuse to be associated with you anymore.......this is the only location that has any substance and true to form, there's always a bad apple in the bunch. I'm just finally going to stick up for myself, I'm tired of watching others do it for me.

The Nascar rule book is illusive for a reason: people like you. My last post was addressed to Don and Chuck, not you, which means you had no reason to answer, but as is customary with your immature and pathetic behavior, you always have to have the last word, as ignorant as those words are. You destroy the integrity of every thread you participate in with your flagrant misinformation, miscalculations and just plain wrong information attempting to make people think you are something you aren't. You live in some fantastical world where you stepped over the line of reality a long time ago. Everyone just dances around your posts without ever addressing your mental instability. I'm breaking every rule stooping to your level, I'm just that fed up with your obsession. This will be the first time I've ever been banned from anything but it gives me great pleasure to know I stood for something in doing it. There's a term out here we use for you fly: Helmet Licker.

I showed your above response to some Cup team members and you provided some very needed humor to the garage, so to that extent...........you can make people laugh. They're laughing AT you fly, not with you.

You've been on my back since I joined this board for no apparent reason other than you can't figure out who I am. You've been 100% wrong on that too. You abuse the reputation feature on this board, you abuse the PM feature, you abuse the email feature, just to be an annoyance. You were banned a few months ago for your behavior and I watched you decline almost immediately after receiving your privileges back............a leopard never changes its spots. If John and Klaus feel you're less than detrimental to this group, then so be it, I can change my participation patterns and just continue to learn from the ones that do have integrity and pray that when they in return have questions, they are smart enough to know you're full of yourself and nothing else.

The RGMS camp has your number fly and so do I. I know exactly who and what you are, which should have kept you from making me an enemy. And uh, yeah, your secret's safe with me. :rolleyes:

ps: Richard Childress wants to know if you can ask Nascar if he can keep the number 3............LMAO

[schlosmk]

You go girl.

[FlyHiFlyLo]

You abuse the reputation feature on this board, you abuse the PM feature, you abuse the email feature, just to be an annoyance.

I've PMed you one time in Response to your PM, I've never emailed you. So don't be trying to make anything up. You are the one that is in the dark.




The RGMS camp has your number fly and so do I. I know exactly who and what you are, which should have kept you from making me an enemy. And uh, yeah, your secret's safe with me.

Yep, RGM does have my number(s). They can call anytime.


You abuse the reputation feature on this board

Do I? Hasn't stopped you from using it either.


ps: Richard Childress wants to know if you can ask Nascar if he can keep the number 3............LMAO

Like I said in my first post, NASCAR OWNS and ISSUES THE NUMBERS. You have the F'n rule book... Help us out with the rule that says otherwise.

[Jones23]

Not taking sides but I copied this on Nascar.com

Contrary to popular belief, everyone cannot be replaced,'' Teresa said. "Legends live on forever. I don't think the No. 3 will ever be driven by anyone else.''

Childress, who pays NASCAR for the right to the number that Earnhardt drove to six championships for Richard Childress Racing, said retiring the number is his first preference.

To do that, NASCAR would have to break its long-standing tradition of not retiring numbers.

"We're all going to work together on it,'' Childress said before Thursday's 150-mile qualifying races. "We all want to see it retired, but if it's not I will do what I have to make sure that [somebody's in it].

http://www.nascar.com/2006/news/headlines/cup/02/16/rchildress.teresa.3/index.html

[JrSyko]

So who the heck is right? I have my assumptions but c'mon...who is it?

[FlyHiFlyLo]

I felt I would have somebody else explain it for all of us. Kimberlee Wilson (Bohr7) writes but never reads other sites I guess,

http://insiderracingnews.com/jf091302.html

Where Do Car Numbers Come From?

By Joe "BumpStop" Foster

September 13, 2002



Recently I had a conversation with Administrative Assistant for NASCAR public relations Susan Goodrich. This interview with the sanctioning body focused on car numbers in the Winston Cup series.

Car numbers and where they come from has been somewhat of a grey area for race fans. This is certainly not a secret subject with files being held in an undisclosed location but, as most things in NASCAR there is a need to know system in place. The rule book for Winston Cup covers most of this information but is not available to the general public.

Numbers were instituted in 1948 in an effort to distinguish between cars of similar makes and models. Early attempts at the numbering system were vague with cars displaying different sized numbers and even letters that accompanied the number itself.

In this day and age when a new Winston Cup team comes on board and ventures down to Daytona Beach to the NASCAR office they will apply for membership. Upon approval from the sanctioning body the new team will pay a fee of nearly $ 600. This payment will allow the team’s owner to pick a number for the subject car from a pool of available numbers.

The numbering system for NASCAR starts at zero and goes to nearly three hundred. You will notice that I say nearly because that direct information is somewhat specific to the license that this reporter did not purchase (didn’t want me in) at the time of this interview.

We have noticed on road courses for example that a driver whom is not a regular in the series will be entered with a three digit number into the lineup. I posed the question about why we see a three digit number on the entry list but not on the car when it races. Susan Goodrich whom was great (tolerated me) by the way said “because of possible confusion on the track they will use only two of the three numbers and, the displayed numbers will be based upon other race participants that may have similar numbers for that event”

We were also curious as to the use of letters with any combination of numbers as to what we have witnessed in the past. A good example, 300A (Carl Keikhaefer entry). It was stated that NASCAR in the pre modern era did have letters in combination with numbers but stopped that practice. I think that issue boils itself down to possible confusion for the proper scoring of the event.

After close examination of the facts it was discovered that there are twenty numbers that have never won a Winston Cup race. Those numbers are:
35, 36, 39, 50, 57, 61, 63, 65, 67, 68, 69, 70, 74, 76, 79, 82, 84, 93, 94, 95.

Not even my good looks was enough to privy me to knowing what car numbers are available at this time. We were able to find that there are no numbers such as the No. 13 that have been removed from any availability list. That thought came up after knowing of buildings that don’t really have a thirteenth floor listed in there elevator. So as best we can tell superstition does not play into the NASCAR plan for available car numbers.

Another thought that came to mind during the interview was the issue of who owns the rights to these numbers. The team owner whom has been granted membership in NASCAR owns the rights to how the number itself appears. For example, when you see the No.3 or its likeness on a scaled model of Dale Earnhardt's car it is the design of the number itself that RCR owns. NASCAR owns the actual number but not the designed logo thereof. That has confused some race fans in the past because when you read the fine print on the box you will see that it says “the likeness of the stylized No. 3 design are trademarks of Richard Childress Racing Enterprises Inc. and are used under license. It almost makes you believe that RCR owns the number but that is not the case.

An issue that came up recently was the idea that Richard Childress gave the No. 3 to Dale Earnhardt Inc. This could not be the case given the knowledge that NASCAR owns the number itself. RCR could not give the number or even sell the number to anyone. If there was a deal worked out in regard to the likeness of the number or the rights thereof, we are not in the loop to have that information.

Car numbers do have restrictions on how they must appear.

The numbers on the side of the car must be 21 inches in height and have clean and even edges. Displayed numbers on the roof of the car must be 31 inches in height with the bottom of the number being located toward the driver’s side of the car. This location of the roof number is to enable the number to be easily recognized from the infield area of the track for scoring purposes.

There has never been a car number in NASCAR that has been retired or discontinued. This issue came up upon the passing of the seven time Winston Cup champion Dale Earnhardt. I personally am not ready to see the No. 3 on the track given the history involved and, the larger than life presence that “The Man” represented. Perhaps one day there will come a man that is worthy of this number but I can’t see that happening any time soon.

Although Dale Earnhardt made the No. 3 famous, Dick Rathmann was the first driver to win with that number. Rathmann won three times in 1954 and finished fourth in the points that year behind the Grand National Champion Lee Petty.

Well fans we hope that we were able to clear up issues that you may have had about where numbers come from. It’s not a big secret by any means but can be confusing to say the least. Like anything in NASCAR not all the information is made public. I don’t know that all the information needed to be made available to me as a reporter to get to the bottom of this issue. I walked away from the interview with a better understanding and felt like NASCAR was very helpful in their attempt at explaining the numbers game.

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I would like to finish this off by saying: Just because you buy a team from someone else it doesn't mean you get to keep the F'n number!!!!! It's political!!! And that is a fact!!!! Just ask Robby for yourself.

[Offspring]

This will be the first time I've ever been banned from anything but it gives me great pleasure to know I stood for something in doing it.

Banned? For that? The only difference will be Fly won't go crying to anyone about it...

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Banned? For that? The only difference will be Fly won't go crying to anyone about it...


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