Closed face helmets on sale at CORR race

[sweetdevil]

I'll try to make this as simple as possible.

CORR racers = can't use open face helmets, some of you have to buy new closed face helmets before the April race.

SCORE, MORE, SNORE (and probably some others unconfirmed) = can't use M rated helmets anymore, need SA rated helmets.

PCI = want to help. We have the trailer at contingency in Lancaster for CORR race Thursday night - Sunday evening.

All Off Road racers who want to get rid of your helmet for some $$ to buy a new one = wash the inner liner, clean it up, bring it to PCI, ship it or bring to trailer with name, price and contact information.

CORR Racers = come to PCI trailer in Lancaster and buy a used helmet for not so much.

PCI = takes money and gives it to other racers. No commissions.

Everyone = happy ????

[BeanerBoy]

Thank You for making some type of effort but do you think CORR will also follow the other racing organizations and go to the SA helmet too??

[sweetdevil]

Their website says they must be closed face. It makes no mention of any type of ratings. I'll call Tony and ask his take on it. I would imagine, just like I would tell everyone right now about the other series, they will go eventually if SCORE is, but SCORE is the only one to post anything. As of yesterday, NO other sanctioning body has posted the word SA other than SCORE.

[kevin bedrock graves]

at the lancaster practice my shoei helmet passed tech inspection. its a 2000 snell and i'm guessing m rated. the tech inspection was to let us know were our deficiencys are.:confused:

[sweetdevil]

Thanks Kevin, from what I see on the rulebook, it is good this year, but that is just like all other sanctioning bodies other than SCORE and they are telling racers at tech that they will require SA in '08.

I left a message for Tony to get his insight on next year. Either way, for anyone interested in a good deal on a helmet, come by the CORR race and help out those who are on a really tight budget and have been subject to some bad information!

[sweetdevil]

I just got off the phone with Tony Vanillo, technical director for CORR.

M Rated or SA rated CLOSED face helmets are required this year, but SA closed face will be required next year. They too, were going to be SA '07, then not at all, and now the official answer is '08.

So racers who can't use their open face helmets next month = we will have these used M rated helmets at a great deal (people who have called to send them in seem to want $250-$300) for this year, then for '08 you can buy a new SA rated helmet.

The way some of those things roll, you probably should get a new helmet next year! :)

Sorry this is so confusing.

[kevin bedrock graves]

sorry too hear about all missunderstandings you had rob. you say the wire shield has too be made of 1/8th inch wire. i found some welded wire mesh at home depot1/2'' squares. may be too small of squares they get clogged with mud. were did you get your mesh. thanks

[Steve_Naughton]

I did not have any missunderstandings

yes you did!

[desertbull]

Just got off the phone with Gary Lane, Technical director for Corr. He told me that they will allow the M rated full face MC helmets. Which is a contradiction to what Tony told me 2 months ago right before I ordered new new SA rated Automotove helmets. kinda sucks since I spent money on new helmets I did not need based on inaccurate info. One of the helmets I ordered is Bell helmets SA rated SR2 full face auto helmet with a visor and a goggle opening. I want to stick with goggles. Gary says the rule was intended to eliminate the use of goggles. If so they should have just said full face helmets required and NO goggles. Under the rule for EYE Protection it states shield or goggles required. So I ordered an SA rated helmet per the new rule that I may not be able to use. With the requirment of 1/8" welded wire in the windshield area, Rocks hitting the driver should not be an issue this year.
Todd Leduc racing without a screen gets hit by one rock and cuts eye lid and we get all these new helmet and goggle rules that are unclear.
Not to mention I cut off my entire fuel cell cage, built a new one and ordered a new fuel cell (that I may not get in time) based on the new rule. Which by the way they are not enforcing now. So basically two days of fab work and $900 for a new cell I probably did not need.
Dont get me wrong, I am all for rules that make it safer which is why I did not ***** about making the changes and spending the money. But if I had known that bitching about the new rule would have saved me the greif of making the changes and spending money, I would have taken that route.
Rob

And this rant/whine signals the official opening of the closed course off road racing season...just goes to show you that some things don't change.

[jamminjeff10]

Although i don't make the rules, I think they (CORR) have gone a little overboard. i can see a few of these changes as OK, like mud flaps, but if you have mud flaps, and they work properly, why full face helmets and 1/8" wire squares? I can see one or the other. And it should be personal preference. Off road racing is damgerous, let's not make it like NASCAR. I guess we could all get into big rubber bubbles and duke it out!

Again I dont make the rules, but they state half the windshield must be covered with a minimum 1/8" rod in a maximum of 1.5" squares, I dont like this, if it is really muddy, and there is alot of build-up, i can see it as a problem. Maybee the mudflaps will resolve this, who knows. I really think alot of this is to protect fans.

Regarding all of the other rule changes, we are frustrated also, as we start making changes then we hear we don't have to, it's not whinning, it's frustration! Most racers dont have full time fabricators working day in and day out to make these changes for us, alot of us do this after our normal day jobs (ask my wife what she thinks about changes). I too cut out my fuel cell and started over, then..........oh well you dont need to do that now. BS!

Regarding helemts, it's cool what PCI is trying to do, but if you are in a pro class, you have to have neck restraint system (as stated in rules) and I cant see people getting fitted for these an hour before a race.

I think you better show up ready to race and conformed to the rules, we'll see what happens after that.

[sweetdevil]

We'll be there Thursday night to help get people fitted into D Cell's. I'm sure Harold/Doug will be out there too from Parker Pumper. There are a lot of racers, but we'll do what we can to help get everyone ready.

[Steve_Naughton]

all I did was follow the new rules to a T without complaining about things that supposidly were to improve safety... only to have the rules changed again due to the whining of those who did not want to follow them...

That's almost like a Yogi Berra quote. It's like deja-vu all over again.

[desertbull]

rant/whine? all I did was follow the new rules to a T without complaining about things that supposidly were to improve safety. Only after I spent countless hours and several thousand dollers, only to have the rules changed again due to the whining of those who did not want to follow them do I have an issue. Call it what you want.
I love racing Corr and the direction it is going. So if jumping through hoops and then jumping back is what I have to do to compete, then so be it.
Rob

Tell me that you didn't bust a laugh when you first read it! LOL--- You know what I'm talking bout' brother!

You racin' the 40th Anniversay of the Baja 1000? Think bout it! Prolly a downgrade from a Pro-Lite to a 5/1600 for about 500 hundred miles -- :)

[kevin bedrock graves]

hey rob i'm on your side ,your exactly right:confused: about jumping through hoops and then jumping back.

[D-rek]

If anyone has any wired m rated helmets PM me. I will buy them for use them my four seater.
Thanks Derek

[jamminjeff10]

Here is CORR's press release this morning regarding some of the confusion:


Championship Off Road Racing Clarifies Driver Helmet Specifications in 2007 Rule Book

Newport Beach, CA (March 30, 2007) — A 2000 Snell Full Face Helmet with shield is approved for the 2007 race season. Goggles will not be allowed, helmets must be full faced with shield.

Clarifications have been made to the 2007 CORR ™ rule book do to confusion over the no motorcycle helmet rule in section 3C in the Safety Equipment section.

As long as the driver’s helmet is a full face 2000 Snell approved helmet with shield they will be allowed to race.

The no motorcycle helmet rule was put forth in order to prevent drivers from using motocross open faced helmets.

For the 2008 season CORR ™ will be requiring a 2000 Snell approved car helmet.

The difference between the 2000 Snell approved motorcycle helmet and 2000 Snell approved car helmet is the car helmet has flame retardant material inside, the motorcycle does not.

"My interpretation" is that you can run motorcycle helmets as long as there is a sheild, no goggles (I am assuming they are refering to street bike helemets). The car helemts they are refering to for 2008 are the "SA" type which have fire resistant liners and also are tested to race car interior imapcts such as contact to roll cages where motorcycle helmets are not tested this way (according to Snell, ). It is also my understanding that the "SA" type helmets have a slightly smaller eye opening than a motorcycle helmet.

[kevin bedrock graves]

thanks jeff!;)

[Tacochase]

I did not have any missunderstandings, I called and clarified the rule and ordered things based on the printed rules. As far as the 1/8 window screen goes I have not found any yet. I want 1" up to 1.5" squares, so if anyone knows where to find this let me know.
Rob

Rob, try www.mcmaster.com Search for 'welded wire cloth' and go to page 375 bottom of page. You can get sheets with 2 x 2 openings with .250 wire diameter. That should stop just about anything. LOL If you order before 11:00 am they ship same day.

[jamminjeff10]

Good luck findining anything pre-fabbed, I have tried, and other than welding up a couple of weber grill's together (ha, ha) i have found nothing that meets the rules. Here is what CORR state's (unfrtunately, tacochase'e fix wont work):

SE- 8 Glass
A. All glass must be removed from race vehicles.
B. Complete left half of windshield opening must be covered with a rock guard MINIMUM 1/8 rod and
MAXIMUM 1.5 inch square opening welded at each intersection approved by CORR.

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We are using .125" rod welded together to fab our own "rock sheild" hopefully all the rocks are bigger than 1.5" (haha).

[KhaoticRcrs]

Kevin, I noticed on one of the Boyers cars at practice that they used some of that screen with small (maybe 1/4") openings and cut out some of the wire to open them up to about 3/4" openings. That is what I plan on doing. May take a while but should workout.