lets debate-car of the future..yeah or nah

[alwazonedge]

i know everyone just got done bitching about this but its still on my mind. whts everyones thoughts on the car of tomorrow in nascar? past that, the effects it may have on all competitive motorsports regaurding uniformity amongst hardware, competition as far as the driver alone, etc. i personally hold true to the fact that one of the best parts of any race is the fab and engineering that goes into the chassis. by taking that away, why not give every driver a friggen go kart and say have fun! besides, who will design the new improvements down the line if the guys concerned with chassis design and fab no longer have a significant role in the nascar world, and what will they turn to? any thoughts on some choice improvements comin the dirt regions way? lets toss some chum on this one...gimme yer thoughts.
chris

[DailyPedal]

First, the engineering aspect is still in play as is evident by Hendricks leading races-just as they were with the old car. The major thing taken from the teams has been any aero advantage and budget but teams will get that tuned more than it is now. The cars are safer and that to me is enough. And the whole "stock car" argument is stupid. I like Cart and Irl too, and Top Fuel and none look like anything I would be driving to work...same goes for Trophy Truck or class 1, as much as I would like to be taking the kids to school in the Hebst truggy, it ain't gonna happen but it doesn't lessen my enthusiasm for motorsports. A race fan is a race fan...

[Total Loss]

You mean the "Sports car of tomorrow"
I like it- brings out the true racers- the ones who don't ***** about every little thing. The guys that are just happy to be racing anything- and can adjust to anything.
Why not have them race nicely painted late-models?

[FlyHiFlyLo]

They just need to ditch the splitter and have a full nose again. They can have a common nose, but at least it will work decent on the 1.5+ mile tracks.

[movindirt]

You mean the "Sports car of tomorrow"
I like it- brings out the true racers- the ones who don't ***** about every little thing. The guys that are just happy to be racing anything- and can adjust to anything.
Why not have them race nicely painted late-models?

This is my thinking. If any of the drivers in Cup don't like it and can't adapt to the new car then step aside and let a real race car driver in the seat. The crying about it is to hard to drive has to stop!

[Ryan_P]

HAAS just spent something like $30 million on a wind tunnel.

If aerodynamics is thrown out the window with the standardized body, what is the main advantage of spending that kind of money on a wind tunnel? Cooling?

I think the new car is 2 steps forward, and 1 step back. Safety and design top notch, but it's becoming harder and harder for most teams to adapt; especially the switching between cars, that means twice as many to get ready at all times and it's putting a wear on crew chiefs, mechanics, etc.

- Ryan

[RGFan]

Kyle Petty said recently that the larger, more successful teams will have better performance with the car initially, courtesy of more testing, the same advantages that the big teams already have. He said for the majority of the 1 and 2 car teams, it will take about 12 to 18 months to get up to speed. After that, we will see much more competition out of the smaller teams, they just need the testing time to get up to speed. A 4 car team has 4 times the testing time a 1 car team has, so they naturally have an advantage. As far as the wind tunnel thing, their is not alot of room for aero changes, the new template pretty much handled that. That does not mean that teams will not still try. I think we will se alot of teams placing the majority of their resources into R&D for chasis/suspension set up/geometry, etc. I think we will see a lot more 7 post shakers being purchased in the future to help with chassis set ups, as wind tunnels are used less and less and more funds are freed up. With the Fords, they seem a little behind the 8 ball. I would not be suprised to seem them some how pool their resources between Roush, RGM, Yates and the Wood Brothers, using Ford Motorsports as an intermediary.

[91tdesert]

I like saftey aspects of the car . It is def a safer car with the driver placed further from the door bars, and eventually the car will bring the budgets down by not needing a 30 car stable because of the difference in aero setups w the bodies for the different tracks. I dont like the splitter, to try and get downforce the nose needs to travel all the way down to the track, if the setup is to soft the splitter will hit unloading the front end. The rear wing is up in the air to help from unloading the rear spoiler when air is packed up behind the car, it looks so stupid though, looks like a pepboys special import wing. I guess overall the car looks pretty gay. Eventually i'll get used to it

[FlyHiFlyLo]

COT: Designed, Built and drives like the man in charge of the project... Brett Bodine

[91tdesert]

COT: Designed, Built and drives like the man in charge of the project... Brett Bodine
LOL

[movindirt]

Yeah running both cars has to be hard on the smaller teams like RGM. Hopfully they will only have to run the COT next year.

[DailyPedal]

I heard early on that it was estimated that a single car team would only need 8 cars to run a season. That does not include crash replacement, that just means that they would only need 4 different types (major set ups like super speed, interm, short track and road course) of cars and two of each type (primary and spare). Obviosly they will build more but you get the idea. And there is still a need for a windtunnel, just not like before and HAAS can always rent out time to other series. Toward the middle and end of last season, Na$car couldn't even get a COT into any of the windtunnels because the Cup teams had all of them booked up through the end of the season.

[RGFan]

Wind tunnel use/necessity is supposed to be cut back by as much as 75% by some estimates.

[movindirt]

Wind tunnel use/necessity is supposed to be cut back by as much as 75% by some estimates.

75% less overall use of wind tunnels or just from what NASCAR teams do?

[RGFan]

What the teams will use

[NicksTrix]

the cream will always rise to the top. it always does. right now you either have it figured out or you don't.
those that did their homework and got testing last year have figured this out. look at the teams that didn't and they are in the back running like junk.

[FlyHiFlyLo]

the cream will always rise to the top. it always does. right now you either have it figured out or you don't.
those that did their homework and got testing last year have figured this out. look at the teams that didn't and they are in the back running like junk.

Yes, NASCAR should have released the car later in the season.

[dezracer9]

I have to vent!! I thought this POS COT they came out with was SUPPOSED to HELP the small teams and make the racing BETTER!! What a joke!! the only time there is a close finish is when they throw the caution with 15 or less to go. I dont think there has been a race yet with this "new" car that has had a finish that had more than 21 cars on the lead lap. BORING!! And i have had enough with the hendrick motorsports pos cot domination!! I WILL NOT WATCH ANOTHER RACE THIS YEAR UNTIL A DRIVER FROM ANOTHER TEAM WINS!!
I know RG has had a terrible time with his PILE but everytime I watch the end of a race and see a hendrick car win--it makes me puke!!
I welcome any and all opinions and would rather spend my weekends following Off-road racing than whats been going on with nascar!!

[TrademarkTim]

from what i heard the new wind tunnel is not a regular one. its the treadmill type where the cars are actually moving and such.

[FlyHiFlyLo]

from what i heard the new wind tunnel is not a regular one. its the treadmill type where the cars are actually moving and such.

180MPH treadmill and also will hold several cars at the same time so they can emulate at speed in traffic. Pretty F'n Wild!!!!

[movindirt]

180MPH treadmill and also will hold several cars at the same time so they can emulate at speed in traffic. Pretty F'n Wild!!!!

Sounds crazy. I need to call Joe Custer and see if I can get a tour.

[RGFan]

from what i heard the new wind tunnel is not a regular one. its the treadmill type where the cars are actually moving and such.

Yeah, there are only two others in North America from what I understand.....And the Nascar Teams suck up the majority of the time for them.

[NoBrakes Drake]

Car of the future? Like Disney's Tomorrowland?

Nascar just switched from 1956 Chevy to 1956 Ford!

What a joke!

Have fun!
NBD

[alwazonedge]

180MPH treadmill and also will hold several cars at the same time so they can emulate at speed in traffic. Pretty F'n Wild!!!!

yah now we need one with whoops! or at least a herbst buggy in the middle, passin it once is hard, imagine testing with having to drive over it every loop of the treadmill!