Anyone have video of the TK Junior 2 main from Sunday's CORR event??

[protruckgirl]

I would love to review the events of Sunday's Trophy Kart main for the Junior 2 division. Anyone have video of it?

[racer_dude]

I would love to review the events of Sunday's Trophy Kart main for the Junior 2 division. Anyone have video of it?


amen to that

[havahockey]

Anyone have video of the TK official hitting Ampudia's kart with his flag yelling at him? That was classy.

[racer_dude]

and officials shutting down karts and failing to restart them when the "yellow flag" was removed.

at the drivers meeting they preach to the kids to obey the flags. my driver didnt only obey, but after being chastised for not STOPPING on an uphill under a yellow condition by a CORR official and also being hit with the flag, continued after the yellow was lifted at a very slow pace to not add to the congestion in the corner that was just cleared.

[Kritter]

A lot of hack driving on sunday in all TK main events...they need to drop the LCQ and lucky dog or make more classes. Too many kids who cant drive ruining races for the leaders.

[J Caster]

Anyone have video of the TK official hitting Ampudia's kart with his flag yelling at him? That was classy.

Yeah that was nice. Don't really know what he was thinking standing on the outside of the turn with all those carts coming at him.:confused:

[Tacochase]

Anyone have video of the TK official hitting Ampudia's kart with his flag yelling at him? That was classy.

I wish I did. That "official" lost it completey. What an AZZ yelling at little kids.

[John F2000]

I wish I did. That "official" lost it completey. What an AZZ yelling at little kids.


Re "official lost it completely". The official had every right hitting the kart with a flag. The kids are told time after time what a yellow flag is and most of the kids in question were not obeying it. He should have dragged the kart off the track and black flagged him. Getting his kart smacked with a flag was getting off lightly. Those are volunteers watching for our kids saftey. Getting hit by a kart could break your leg. The drivers should get black flagged for not obeying the rules and loose a lap. Yes, some calls will be considered unfair. But give a kid a black flag on one race, I garuntee you the kid will have more respect next time. As long as the parents can have the same respect, everything could improve.

Re "what an AZZ yelling at little kids" The official you are referring to spends a lot of time making this happen for the kids, listens to a lot of crap from the parents and still maintains a professional program. Unless you know him personally that is an ignorant comment, especially on this forum.

MMR did a great job working with corr to reduce the wait time for the kids before each event. It seems that for the most part, people can find every reason to comment and complain about something, such as all the complaints during the last race when the kids had to wait for over an hour in their cars. Which I agree was not good. Now that they fixed it, might not be a bad time to say "good job" for an on time and well run program at antelope valley.

There is always room for improvement in any organization, but in general, for the time MMR has been running the program, I think they are doing a great job. In the end, my boy and I had a great time and cant wait for the next race.

[DailyPedal]

Good post John. From what I saw at one point during the race, an official with a waving red flag was standing on what I believe was the table top and had karts going around him on both sides. In my opinion, this was a dangerous situation brought on by drivers not heeding the flag and the kart drivers should have been pulled from the track-period. Safety of course workers, officials and spectators has got to be a priority before all else or we will all be shut down. What caused him to step onto the track and his actions thereafter become secondary...flame on

[racer_dude]

Re "official lost it completely". The official had every right hitting the kart with a flag. The kids are told time after time what a yellow flag is and most of the kids in question were not obeying it. He should have dragged the kart off the track and black flagged him. Getting his kart smacked with a flag was getting off lightly.

Not to name names, since you know who it is. The flag was not out, hence why Aarron did not slow down, the official in question was in a bad place at a bad time (outside of a corner that was the tightest place on the track). And Aarron had his composure gathered while trying to re-enter the track and was on the throttle, the official was not happy with that.

Im not trying to side with anyone or bash, but I believe punishments were delivered in the wrong places. A driver was docked a lap for excessive rough driving that put a kart out of the race (12th place finish position), and another driver was DQ'ed for trying to re-enter the course at speed.

MMR is definitally getting better in areas, but when new uncharted worlds arrive, they are unprepared at best.

[DailyPedal]

I saw a flag out as he was dodging trucks...and have no other comment until I see video....

[MGERALD195]

A lot of hack driving on sunday in all TK main events...they need to drop the LCQ and lucky dog or make more classes. Too many kids who cant drive ruining races for the leaders.

Dude, i feel your pain and I know what your going through people with a lot of money and no talent. but your never going to get rid of it in short course off-road racing.

[racer_dude]

YouTube - CORR Antelope Valley Fairgrounds Sept. 16th (http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZAVldfhkgwU)

There is no yellow flag in his hand. the flag he had was only open because he was trying to hit the truck with it, in no way should the "RED" flag be used in that situation, so it does not act as a yellow when he wants it to. A true situation that required a flag, the flag would have remained out after the truck passed. not dropped at the officials side.

totally UN-called for.

[DailyPedal]

After watching the video, I stand by my original statement...a kart had endoed at the start of the race. As the field came around the turn, first a corner worker ran across the track trying to get in front of the pack after the hairpin. He was too late. Then an official with a flag in his hand standing next to the white dually tried to stop the field and was split by the leaders-who continued racing. That is what I saw from the hot pit area and the video confirms it. These kids must respect the officials or someone will get hurt...period.

[racer_dude]

After watching the video, I stand by my original statement...a kart had endoed at the start of the race.

yes, but the red flag was not utilized to restart the race. the race continued and yellows were used as they should have been for that incident in that area, like they should have been.. Good job on that part.


Then an official with a flag in his hand standing next to the white dually tried to stop the field and was split by the leaders-who continued racing. That is what I saw from the hot pit area and the video confirms it. These kids must respect the officials or someone will get hurt...period.

Ken the official was not trying to run across the track, or stop the leaders. The leaders were clearly OFF the track trying to get back on, if you look at ampudia closely he is actually on the main CORR track.

[DailyPedal]

A waving Red flag was shown to the leaders as they were coming through the hairpin. I saw the flag waving as was mentioned in my first post. The driver of the kart that endoed was deemed ok (might even have continued on, don't remember) before the karts rounded the upper part of the track, according to the scanner. The official I was referring to as "running across the track" was a flagman in yellow, not Ken, acting as the main flag man. Ken probably thought that the karts would stop when he waved the flag but with no time to react, he stopped waving and had to take defensive action and ended up in the middle by the karts that had run wide in the hairpin. All of this is shown on the video except him waving-this I saw from the side and heard the call on the scanner.
You make some valid points that need to be looked at and here is my opinion...
With the karts as bunched as they were rounding the hairpin, if the leaders had seen and reacted to the brief waving of the red flag, there probably would have been a huge pileup. Ken should not have stepped foot on the track. There needs to be more people with red flags to help control the race and they need to be in better areas where the racers have time to react. I think there needs to be some thought in how to get the field spread out for better control-different course design, maybe a short run on part of the big track before they run on the small track and maybe fewer karts per race or staggered start.
My main points are from my concern for course workers, officials and any racer involved in a crash that the race needs to be properly controlled.

[racer_dude]

A waving Red flag was shown to the leaders as they were coming through the hairpin. I saw the flag waving as was mentioned in my first post. The driver of the kart that endoed was deemed ok (might even have continued on, don't remember) before the karts rounded the upper part of the track, according to the scanner. The official I was referring to as "running across the track" was a flagman in yellow, not Ken, acting as the main flag man. Ken probably thought that the karts would stop when he waved the flag but with no time to react, he stopped waving and had to take defensive action and ended up in the middle by the karts that had run wide in the hairpin. All of this is shown on the video except him waving-this I saw from the side and heard the call on the scanner.
You make some valid points that need to be looked at and here is my opinion...
With the karts as bunched as they were rounding the hairpin, if the leaders had seen and reacted to the brief waving of the red flag, there probably would have been a huge pileup. Ken should not have stepped foot on the track. There needs to be more people with red flags to help control the race and they need to be in better areas where the racers have time to react. I think there needs to be some thought in how to get the field spread out for better control-different course design, maybe a short run on part of the big track before they run on the small track and maybe fewer karts per race or staggered start.
My main points are from my concern for course workers, officials and any racer involved in a crash that the race needs to be properly controlled.

10-4 señor.

[offroadaction]

I have not been to a CORR race, but in our short course racing, all track workers have a yellow and red flag...a rollover is automatic full course red flag. The driver is confirmed ok and if the he and the vehicle are able to run, they are put at the back of the pack and it is a rolling restart. Honestly, it seems like there is about twice as many karts as the track allows for...lots of crashing and banging.

[Kritter]

Honestly, it seems like there is about twice as many karts as the track allows for...lots of crashing and banging.

thats how to make money...$750 for a body and that doesnt include paint, graphics, hangars, bumpers, etc...there needs to be less kids on the track at one time and the groups need to be split between beginner and intermediate so the kids who dont know, dont care, or have the moto dad yelling at them in their headset to take out anyone in there way dont take out the kids who do know and do care. I am glad we run nerf bars and wrap around bumpers or we would be replacing bodies twice a weekend from getting ran into.

It seems the TK race last weekend was more for carnage then it is for racing. I am a big fan of carnage but not when it comes to little kids. Track not wide enough, turn 1 as a hairpin narrow, supercross whoops, etc...all asking for carnage. Chula Vista was awesome last time around, lets hope it is awesome next weekend so we can put AV behind.

[RacingMadMax]

thats how to make money...$750 for a body and that doesnt include paint, graphics, hangars, bumpers, etc...there needs to be less kids on the track at one time and the groups need to be split between beginner and intermediate so the kids who dont know, dont care, or have the moto dad yelling at them in their headset to take out anyone in there way dont take out the kids who do know and do care. I am glad we run nerf bars and wrap around bumpers or we would be replacing bodies twice a weekend from getting ran into.

It seems the TK race last weekend was more for carnage then it is for racing. I am a big fan of carnage but not when it comes to little kids. Track not wide enough, turn 1 as a hairpin narrow, supercross whoops, etc...all asking for carnage. Chula Vista was awesome last time around, lets hope it is awesome next weekend so we can put AV behind.

Yes there were numberous things that i think mmr could of done better on, (But i do know that there are new to all this organization thing). First of all mmr did let us in as the 75th kart for that race and i very glad they got us in. But I was kinda surprised on how small the TK track was, both how wide and long it was. Turn 1 was just asking for trouble and carnage. The whoops....oh wow crazy big... The start i didnt get. They got the entire corr track to do whatever with and they dont touch it. (my 2cents) would be to have the karts lined up say 5 or 6 wide at the end of the normal track for corr on turn 4 having the karts lead away up into where the start was. It ok were getting ready for Chula vista and overall MMR did a outstanding job. I believe that a JR 3 may need to be introduced to reduce the number of karts on the track at once. JR1 8-10 JR2 11-13 JR3 14-16

[CaptinCrash]

jr3 is for 16-18 year olds but i under stand what u mean for the need of another class to cut down the numbers

[Kritter]

Yes there were numberous things that i think mmr could of done better on, (But i do know that there are new to all this organization thing). First of all mmr did let us in as the 75th kart for that race and i very glad they got us in. But I was kinda surprised on how small the TK track was, both how wide and long it was. Turn 1 was just asking for trouble and carnage. The whoops....oh wow crazy big... The start i didnt get. They got the entire corr track to do whatever with and they dont touch it. (my 2cents) would be to have the karts lined up say 5 or 6 wide at the end of the normal track for corr on turn 4 having the karts lead away up into where the start was. It ok were getting ready for Chula vista and overall MMR did a outstanding job. I believe that a JR 3 may need to be introduced to reduce the number of karts on the track at once. JR1 8-10 JR2 11-13 JR3 14-16

Splitting it up in that matter(1,2,3) wont help the situation. They need to do A and B mains or something where the problem drivers are out of the picture except to ruin each others race. It's not aggressive driving, its problem driving thats the problem and there is a huge difference.

In a phone conversation with Nestor he told me the track was either 40 or 60ft(I cant remember which) wide in ALL locations except for the first turn. I would have like to have seen a tape measure out there as 3 cars wide into the first jump caused barrel roll carnage since there wasnt enough track width and cars would get taken out on the slope.