Pro-2 costs?

[Dan McMillin]

How much does a Pro-2 cost turn key? Ball park estimate. Not including spares and etc.

And what about a Pro-2 vs. Pro-Lite, cost wise.

Any information would be helpful.

See everyone at Chula Vista tomorrow!

[formerly known as]

I think you can build a pro-2 for around 90k or so. Lot of elbow grease on your end though to make it happen.

[MGERALD195]

Talk to Rodrigo, he just bought a brand new Stamper built truck.

Or get a hold of any one at Race Fab, Case Gunderson (Adrian's crew cheif) they also build really nice trucks.

[hoeker]

How much does a Pro-2 cost turn key? Ball park estimate. Not including spares and etc.

And what about a Pro-2 vs. Pro-Lite, cost wise.

Any information would be helpful.

See everyone at Chula Vista tomorrow!

as far as i know this is the only Race ready pro-2 available right now:
http://www.race-dezert.com/cgi-bin/trader/atl.cgi?ct=2&md=second&id=8052

the least expensive way to get an excellent pro-2 or pro-spec right now is to build your own starting with my chassis kit. prices start at 10 grand for the same truck that got first and second at Wheatland last weekend. we can do a real nice roller for 30 or i'll build you a complete turn key truck for 135 plus your engine. i'll put this chassis up against any 230k turn key truck built by stamper, baldwin, northwest, or anyone else. we got a win and a second on a shoe string budget this year, next year there will at least be 6 of my chassis on the track east and west coast and i can't wait to see the results!

[katelyn]

prolite is waaaaay cheaper to run than pro2 as long as you race smart and not tear up your equipment like you have an unlimited budget. a nissan motor can run all season provided you don't overheat them and do basic maintenance, sly builds a very good motor that is very durable especially for a rookie and you can have all this for the low low price of 75,000 race ready, prepped by race fab and can be delivered to dallas or primm, just bring your personel equipment and some talent

[HotRod82]

There are lots of variables here, but a new turnkey PL will run you at least 80K and a turn key P2 will run at least 165K. Now if you are capable of doing much of it yourself you can build a competitive PL for around 50 (if you can build the motor) and a competitive P2 for around 85K. A PL does not require near the maintenance a P2 does, so prep costs are half of what it will cost you to run P2. Again, lots of variables here.

[AZ1000]

How much does a Pro-2 cost turn key? Ball park estimate. Not including spares and etc.

And what about a Pro-2 vs. Pro-Lite, cost wise.

Any information would be helpful.

See everyone at Chula Vista tomorrow!

Great questions Dan'o, I just drove home from CV wondering the very same things.

[OffroadExit]

How much does a Pro-2 cost turn key? Ball park estimate. Not including spares and etc.

And what about a Pro-2 vs. Pro-Lite, cost wise.

Any information would be helpful.

See everyone at Chula Vista tomorrow!

What happened to Andy's Pro-2? Did he sell it to a certain driver out here?

[Steve_Sourapas]

I believe it was sold to Alan #28 and he raced it this weekend.

[jonathanb]

He did have a spare truck there this weekend so I was wondering where the new one came from.

[Kritter]

as far as i know this is the only Race ready pro-2 available right now:
http://www.race-dezert.com/cgi-bin/trader/atl.cgi?ct=2&md=second&id=8052

the least expensive way to get an excellent pro-2 or pro-spec right now is to build your own starting with my chassis kit. prices start at 10 grand for the same truck that got first and second at Wheatland last weekend. we can do a real nice roller for 30 or i'll build you a complete turn key truck for 135 plus your engine. i'll put this chassis up against any 230k turn key truck built by stamper, baldwin, northwest, or anyone else. we got a win and a second on a shoe string budget this year, next year there will at least be 6 of my chassis on the track east and west coast and i can't wait to see the results!

Who will be driving a Hoeker chassis pro 2 in CORR next year?

[HotRod82]

Who will be driving a Hoeker chassis pro 2 in CORR next year?

I have one of Ross's chassis, so does Rick Doetch. I'm sure there will be more after the truck ran so well at Crandon then backed that up with a win and a second at Wheatlands. I know Ross has had many phone calls this past week. You know your chassis works well when you set fast lap time against Scott Taylor, Evan Evans, Probst, and Oberg. Ross's chassis is a great place to start for someone on a budget and has decent fab skills. This way your P2 will only be crazy expensive instead of rediculously expensive!

[EdgeHost]

Is Andy no longer going to run CORR next year as planned?

[TimG_AZ]

our pro-2 is - bring me the motor only and out the door ready to race $118K brand new.

[hoeker]

our pro-2 is - bring me the motor only and out the door ready to race $118K brand new.

Tim, did you ever get my old truck on the track last weekend?



Who will be driving a Hoeker chassis pro 2 in CORR next year?

kris, so far Rick Doetsch and Rodney Howe are working on finishing thier RHM chassis' up for next year. Racer Off Road has my original truck and plans to get it on the track soon. i expect my current truck to be racing the CORR Texas race in 2 weeks and i'm already working on (at least) frame rails and down for a couple other drivers east and west.

[TimG_AZ]

we tested it this weekend just on the pavement. wow the ProPower motor we put in is crazy fast. full testing this friday then off to texas. its rented for that race. We will then probably turn it into a pro-spec for rent unless we rent it again as a pro-2 which we have two people interested in. Our new chassis is done.

[BoxRacing]

Dan -

Stewart's Raceworks has built a few Pro 2s in the past. All have been excellent. Having driven one of them, I know the trucks are top of the line.

[Andy McMillin]

Is Andy no longer going to run CORR next year as planned?

Nope, sold the truck to Pflueger.

[RPS_CORY]

Great questions. We had a Pro-2 and a Pro-Lite roller at the Chula Vista Race this past weekend. They were parked at the Kartek / Pro-Am trailer. We offer a couple different packages of rollers for both trucks. The Pro-2 Rollers start at 40-95K and turn key Pro-2's sell for 150K less motor and trans. The Pro-Lites range from 30K - 66K and turn key Pro-Lites go for 100K less motor and trans. You can see our current Pro-2's in action on our website www.raceprepservices.com in the media section. RPS built Pro-2's for Jesse Jones and Steve Sourapas. If you are looking to race by next year we can turn out a turn-key Pro-2 or Pro-lite in about 8 weeks. The Pro-2 Roller that we have available right now we would sell for 40K this includes Pro-Am Rack and Pinion, Pro-Am Diff Housing, Pro-Am Hubs, All RPS Suspension Pieces. If you are truly interested we can get you complete list of items that are included and prices. Please email me at cory@raceprepservices.com

All of our products are designed and manufactured by RPS.

[hoeker]

Our new chassis is done.

let's see some pics, you still have all mine on your site.

[Rprice]

Great questions. We had a Pro-2 and a Pro-Lite roller at the Chula Vista Race this past weekend. They were parked at the Kartek / Pro-Am trailer. We offer a couple different packages of rollers for both trucks. The Pro-2 Rollers start at 40-95K and turn key Pro-2's sell for 150K less motor and trans. The Pro-Lites range from 30K - 66K and turn key Pro-Lites go for 100K less motor and trans. You can see our current Pro-2's in action on our website www.raceprepservices.com in the media section. RPS built Pro-2's for Jesse Jones and Steve Sourapas. If you are looking to race by next year we can turn out a turn-key Pro-2 or Pro-lite in about 8 weeks. The Pro-2 Roller that we have available right now we would sell for 40K this includes Pro-Am Rack and Pinion, Pro-Am Diff Housing, Pro-Am Hubs, All RPS Suspension Pieces. If you are truly interested we can get you complete list of items that are included and prices. Please email me at cory@raceprepservices.com

All of our products are designed and manufactured by RPS.


any pictures of your roller/turnkey pro-lites?

[hoeker]

if anyone on the west coast wants to look close at an RHM built Pro-2 Rick Doetsch will have his at the Off Road Expo this weekend. Ricks truck is the sister truck to mine, virtually identical. It left here as a true roller, engine and trans mounted, radiator mounted, brakes and steering mounted, seats and all the sheet metal.

I'm sure Rodney would be happy to show his off as well if you won't be at the expo this weekend.

ross hoek

[RPS_CORY]

Here are some pictures of our Pro-Lite Roller

This Pro-Lite has been purchased by Garit Wallace.

If you want to see our new Pro-2 it will be at the Off-Road Expo this weekend. It will be located at the Kartek / Pro-Am display.

[sickrick]

Rps and Ross,

I believe both your trucks have a rear upper 3 link style mount instead of a 4 link. You had bettered check with CORR tech, according to them its illegal and they are going to inforce the rule.

Both trucks look good.

[iceman]

Rps and Ross,

I believe both your trucks have a rear upper 3 link style mount instead of a 4 link. You had bettered check with CORR tech, according to them its illegal and they are going to inforce the rule.

Both trucks look good.

i believe the rule states that it needs 4 pivot points off of the chasis i dont know if the picture shows or not but it does have 4 pivot points attached

[pride_in_motion]

SUSPENSION
A. All four corners must be coil over suspension.
B. Front wheel travel limits, eighteen (18) inch max.
C. Rear wheel travel limits, twenty (20) inch max.
D. Four bar rear suspension only.
E. Rear axle may not rotate separately from axle housing mounts

It seems pretty clear from the rules it is four bar only, but what is confusing is if you go straight from the standardized chassis drawing it looks like a three link. It would suck for Ross to have to change his design after investing so much time and effort into that design.

[hoeker]

my rear suspension has 4 bars and matches the chassis print EXACTLY.

every truck out there without a single center pivot is a deviation of the rules.

a "wishbone" style upper is not a performance advantage, it is harder to build but it is safer and less expensive to maintain. read the CORR rulebook and look at the chassis print like you've never seen a CORR truck and you will build what i have.

that said, if CORR wants to change a 8 year old chassis print and say we can't run my design we will gladly update any chassis already sold with the cheaper system. we will do this noting in writing that we are building an inferior truck at the mandate of the sanctioning body.

[hoeker]

in the FWIW department WSORR tech checked it out and crandon and agreed with me.

[HotRod82]

Ross is absolutely correct...the chassis print shows a single pivot point for the upper links.

[Pro2-54]

And when calculating you Pro-2 Cost (or any class for that matter) Watch Steves crash video from Chula http://www.robertnaughton.com/robert...a-Vista-2.html and dont forget to calculate in the carnage factor.

[RPS_CORY]

Yes, we have already cleared it with Tony V. from CORR and our Pro-Lite is perfectly legal.

Thanks for your concern Rick.

[Pro2-54]

Yes, we have already cleared it with Tony V. from CORR and our Pro-Lite is perfectly legal.

Thanks for your concern Rick.

Might want to clear it with Gary the Corr tech director as the competition director and the tech director are not the same person and dont always agree on whats legal.

that said I am confused, when I look at the Prolite rules it clearly states a 4 bar link suspension and the drawing looks like 4 seperate bars, can someone clarify to me what that means. I would assume four independant mounted bars.
then again the $600 each one off Toyos are legal in Prolite for now. I will have my special compound $1000 each Maxxis's hopfully by TX but for sure by Primm.
Rob

[sickrick]

From Garry yesterday, Four links are legal. A links / 3 links are not.

The rules are very specific in regards to this.

[HotRod82]

From Garry yesterday, Four links are legal. A links / 3 links are not.

The rules are very specific in regards to this.

I cant see any of the PL or P2 guys caring about this at all...there is no advantage as the geometry is the same. Like Rob pointed out, they need to reel in the PL guys running project tires and go after the guys stretching the engine rules. I know of one toyota team that is running 50MM carbs. 3 link, 4 link, who cares! You would think the P2 guys would welcome the stronger 3 link that does not bind when it articulates.

[Pro2-54]

Wether its an advantage or not is not the point, whats important is that there are set rules and they follow them without deviation or various interpretations. One could argue that the high dollar Toyo's have yet to win a race so they are not an advantage, but thats not the point. It stretches the rules that are in place to keep prolite somewhat affordable.
I think its important that rules are followed and policed to keep the integrity of the racing there. Otherwise costs will skyrocket in all classes just as they have in the desert. Then only the best and the rich will survive.
I heard a rumor from corr tech that they will be tearing down and inspecting a certain brand of motor in TX. I am all for it and pushing for them to tear down all the top finishing brands regardless of finishing position, I think its important to keep them all in check and within the rules.
Rob

[sickrick]

I cant see any of the PL or P2 guys caring about this at all...there is no advantage as the geometry is the same. Like Rob pointed out, they need to reel in the PL guys running project tires and go after the guys stretching the engine rules. I know of one toyota team that is running 50MM carbs. 3 link, 4 link, who cares! You would think the P2 guys would welcome the stronger 3 link that does not bind when it articulates.

The advantage comes in the form of strength. you can now support the middle section of the tube from one side to the other and eliminate the bending of the upper tubes.

Ask Rob about bending rear upper links.

I know of many teams running 50mm carbs, but they have the legal venturi size.

It is about enforcement of the rules.

Quote: "You would think the P2 guys would welcome the stronger 3 link that does not bind when it articulates."

Even you agree that a 3 link is an advantage over a 4 link. How is it fair to allow a couple of new cars to have this advantage over all of the existing field that were built to the rules.

[ErikShallbetter]

Just got off the phone with Garry at CORR tech. Good job on making a desicion quickly CORR!

It is legal if it is done as individual links with a common rear pivot. In other words it cannot look like a traditional 3 link with bracing in the middle of the links.

I am only bringing this up because we have 4 axles to do and just finished the mounts for the four link and will now change them to have a common rear mount.

Rick posting under Eriks Name

[HotRod82]

The advantage comes in the form of strength. you can now support the middle section of the tube from one side to the other and eliminate the bending of the upper tubes.

Ask Rob about bending rear upper links.

I know of many teams running 50mm carbs, but they have the legal venturi size.

It is about enforcement of the rules.

Quote: "You would think the P2 guys would welcome the stronger 3 link that does not bind when it articulates."

Even you agree that a 3 link is an advantage over a 4 link. How is it fair to allow a couple of new cars to have this advantage over all of the existing field that were built to the rules.

Look at the P2 chassis print....ONE PIVOT POINT. I know the rule book says " four bar suspension." So we have a contradiction here with the CORR rule book and the CORR blueprint. So, you follow the printed version and use two forward pivot points and I will follow the chassis print and use a single forward pivot point. Just because people have been building it wrong for 8 years does not mean we should all continue to build it wrong in the future.

[RPS_CORY]

Four-Bar Suspension in automotive engineering terms means 4 chassis pivots / mounts. How you connect them to the diff housing does not change the fact that it's a four bar. In the Pro-Lite diagram it shows 2 rods meeting at the diff housing with a circle connecting them. The diff housing mount is Undefined. RPS looked at this, called CORR and received permission 3 months ago to proceed with our intention of connecting the Pro-Lite upper rear bars together at the diff housing, providing we kept the frame pivots in the specified position. We, and CORR, did not change the rules!!

In engineering terms a 3 link / bar suspension is one which has 2 lower and one upper chassis mount and then has a Panhard bar to control lateral movement. To Be Very Specific We Are Not Using This Type Of Suspension.

RPS would never, never knowingly put a customer in jeopardy with regards to rules. RPS did its homework, contacted and got approval from CORR (Way Before) and will always strive to keep our customers one step ahead of the competition by innovative thinking.

Barry Beacham - Owner RPS

[PORTER TT#22]

It's interesting to hear all of the pricing on a pro 2. I sure hope who-ever is buying one can swing the cost of running one. The purchase price of the truck is the cheapest part, and I paid over $230,000.00 for mine. Rob, you hit the nail on the head bud,
Mark
And when calculating you Pro-2 Cost (or any class for that matter) Watch Steves crash video from Chula http://www.robertnaughton.com/robert...a-Vista-2.html and dont forget to calculate in the carnage factor.

[BAPerf]

Four-Bar Suspension in automotive engineering terms means 4 chassis pivots / mounts. How you connect them to the diff housing does not change the fact that it's a four bar. In the Pro-Lite diagram it shows 2 rods meeting at the diff housing with a circle connecting them. The diff housing mount is Undefined. RPS looked at this, called CORR and received permission 3 months ago to proceed with our intention of connecting the Pro-Lite upper rear bars together at the diff housing, providing we kept the frame pivots in the specified position. We, and CORR, did not change the rules!!

In engineering terms a 3 link / bar suspension is one which has 2 lower and one upper chassis mount and then has a Panhard bar to control lateral movement. To Be Very Specific We Are Not Using This Type Of Suspension.

RPS would never, never knowingly put a customer in jeopardy with regards to rules. RPS did its homework, contacted and got approval from CORR (Way Before) and will always strive to keep our customers one step ahead of the competition by innovative thinking.

Barry Beacham - Owner RPS

Barry,

Good job getting clearification AHEAD of time! FYI, Rick Huseman's original Spec Chassis Pro-Lite was built with the upper rear of the four-link using a common Uni-ball. It lasted one race weekend befor CORR made Dan put two pivot points above the third member. There are new people in charge of CORR, so maybe their interpretation is different now...

[TCPRacing]

It's interesting to hear all of the pricing on a pro 2. I sure hope who-ever is buying one can swing the cost of running one. The purchase price of the truck is the cheapest part, and I paid over $230,000.00 for mine. Rob, you hit the nail on the head bud,
Mark


Ya...Buying a truck is the easy part. Affording to race is something else all together.
When I bought my first pro-lite I thought the rest would be like racing motorcycles. Man, I have never been more wrong.

[jonpfive]

I know of many teams running 50mm carbs, but they have the legal venturi size.

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Some may be even bigger carbs...

Lower A-arms on the RPS truck look familiar...