Lucern Valley race

[MX808]

So when the race goes starts tomarrow keep me posted on how Pistola is doing in the (dunebuggy) or to most of us the class 1. Because unfortuanly i am a long ways away and cant be there as porablly for many.

[Rufrider]

??? the race is in 10 hours???

[drj777]

i can post some pix when its over...but thatll be sunday or monday.

drj
:)

[OffroadExit]

So when the race goes starts tomarrow keep me posted on how Pistola is doing in the (dunebuggy) or to most of us the class 1. Because unfortuanly i am a long ways away and cant be there as porablly for many.

I will have a Pistola/Deegan update once I get my laptop going later today when I get to Chula Vista. Headin out to Lucerne in about an hour. Stay tuned. Lots of driving ahead!

[OffroadExit]

Pistol got fastest lap today in the race. He started the race was leading by lap 2, came in switched out w/ Deegan, then the car had power steering issues, Mike fixed the problem, finishing the car 4th.

[Demonturtle]

So who won class 1?

[1450-ranger]

Jacinto's car I believe, unsure of the DOR. Jacinto had a pretty impressive program out there.

[WoodyW]

Jacinto Driver was Yucaipa's own Jake Johnson. Way to go Jake!

[mark@PhotoAhead]

So who won class 1?

Going for the win

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h268/photoahead/158b.jpg
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[bcampbell04]

great shot sequence mark...bet they both puckered up a little bit on that one.

[E&S Racing]

WOW they pulled that out???? That's nuts....

[mcerwing]

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h268/photoahead/158d.jpg

what's the red splatter on the underside near the rear?

bunny rabbit?:D

[mark@PhotoAhead]

A couple more high flyers

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h268/photoahead/1452c.jpg
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[zjohnson]

what's the red splatter on the underside near the rear?

bunny rabbit?:D

Neo Trans fluid. Overfilled the trans so its puking out the breather . . .

[1450-ranger]

1450
1st Vernola
2nd Jim McBroom
3rd Byma

1400
1st Arnold
2nd GFO
3rd Chris Allen

[bpthirteen]

Just recieved a report of a death in the pits on Saturday night after the race. A collision between a rhino and a truck.

[jjordan]

Yes very unfortunate, sounded like an accident about 2:00 am sat. Truck having fun racing on the course at night crested a hill and hit rhino head on.

[fishd00d]

Lets try and keep all rumors to ourselves please. I am sure offical info on the accident will be posted sometime by MDR.

[1450-ranger]

Please keep all speculation down in respect to those involved.

1 DOS & 3 Flown out. Those are facts.

[Dezert00Taco]

We ended up 2nd in 1400 due to a couple of small problems. we had fast lap in class and we were 1:35 off the pace of the class 1 fast lap.. got some stuff to fix to get ready for barstow but we should be there..
Seth 1404

[Esterlein-Racing]

Please keep all speculation down in respect to those involved.

1 DOS & 3 Flown out. Those are facts.

Does anyone know if the 2 kids that got life flighted made it threw? Our hearts go out to the families involved in this tragic ACCIDENT.

[jjordan]

Any jeepspeed pics yet?

[Sato Bros. Racing]

As stated previously,out of respect for the parties involved,lets all wait for the an official statement so that there are no false rumors or statements.

[JJ LJR]

Jacinto Driver was Yucaipa's own Jake Johnson. Way to go Jake!

Thanks Woody, but I can't take the credit for driving. The driver was Steve Raskett from Mentone and I was the co-driver. Steve and I will be switching driving and co-driving after the first of the year.
We had a great race. Pistol was fast those first two laps. He nearly landed on us around mile 7 of the second lap. We figured they changed drivers or had some problems when we pasted them just after the start of the third lap. After that we justed tryed to stay smooth and fast to bring her home. We can't thank everyone enough at Larry Jacinto Racing, High Performance Helicopter and our friends and family that came out to help and support, and Mark thank you for those great shots. We thought our day was over on the first lap at the Hill. You probably noticed that we did not hit the hill fast again. And to awnser another quote: Yes Steve and I were pretty Puckered, don't know how we pulled that off.

Our hearts go out to the friends and family that were involved in that terrible accident. It happened just after our camp/pit around mile 42 sometime just after midnight. Some of our pit were the first to get there and help. Out of respect I will leave it at that. OUR HEARTS AND THOUGHTS ARE WITH YOU.

[SoCalTundras]

Heres a few of my pictures...

http://www.socaltundras.com/shelby/MDR/3701-01.jpg

http://www.socaltundras.com/shelby/MDR/158-01.jpg

http://www.socaltundras.com/shelby/MDR/buna.jpg

http://www.socaltundras.com/shelby/MDR/buna2.jpg

I was there saturday night as well about 5min after the accident, I hope the driver pulls thru, our friend Tony was doing everything he could to help, just a horrible accident..

[mcerwing]

some crappy pics...
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a321/mcerwing/013_13.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a321/mcerwing/017_17.jpg

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and the guy on the 50 at the wall

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a321/mcerwing/50.jpg

[Esterlein-Racing]

Anyone get any pics of 1688? WE didnt finish because the motor blew but we got a new paint job and would love to add pics to my album.:D :mad: :confused: :rolleyes:

[xjchaser]

nice pictures wonder what they used to get the stains out of their driving suits

[WoodyW]

Jake- nice drive by Steve then...really consistent lap times. I heard you were the wheelman from the usual suspects, they must have been excited...or jealous.

[Bulldozer]

To everyone looking for the real story of what happened, there was an article about it in the newspaper and it is posted on dezertrangers.
http://www.dezertrangers.com/vb/showthread.php?p=757896#post757896

My heart goes out to the families those involved.

[OffroadExit]

This was released early this morning from San Bernardino County Coroner-

Coroner Case #70707349--- On September 29, 2007 at approximately 12:54 AM, Steven Harris, a nineteen year old resident of the city of Murrieta, was the right rear passenger in an ATV Rhino in the off road vehicle area of Anderson Dry Lake. Per witnesses, Harris was standing upright in the bed of the rhino that was traveling at approximately 20 miles per hour when it collided with an off road Toyota pickup. Paramedics pronounced Harris dead of his injuries at 2:20 AM. Three other passengers in the Rhino were transported by air to local hospitals. An autopsy will be conducted to determine the cause of death. California Highway Patrol is investigating the accident.

[Dave_G]

From the local paper here....

http://www.sbsun.com/ci_7057581





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LUCERNE VALLEY
Man killed, others injured in crash
A Murrieta man was killed and several other people injured in an off-road vehicle crash early Sunday.

The crash occurred at 12:56 a.m. in the Anderson Dry Lake bed, north of Camp Rock Road.

Matt Helton, 30, of Yorba Linda was heading west in an off-road Toyota pickup with two passengers standing up in the back of the truck, the California Highway Patrol said.
When Helton reached the top of a hill, he slammed head-on into 21-year-old Curtis Young of Murrieta, who was driving an 2005 Yamaha Rhino all-terrain vehicle. Steven Harris, 19, a passenger on the ATV, was thrown from the vehicle and died at the scene.

Young suffered major injuries, as did Matt Field, 24, of Imperial Beach. Troy Wilson, 23, of San Juan Capistrano, had moderate injuries, officers said. Field and Wilson were passengers on the ATV. All three men were taken to Arrowhead Regional Medical Center.

The CHP said both Helton and Young had been drinking, but Helton had not consumed enough alcohol to be considered under the influence, officers said. Young's level of intoxication is not clear, pending toxicology tests.

[1450-ranger]

The SB Sun's article has the WRONG facts. 4 people in the Rhino, two in Matt's Toyota. Matt and co-driver were buckled up and had helmets on. Two people were standing in back of the Rhino.

Horrible job SB Sun.

[Moneypit]

From San Bernardino Sun:

"....in an off-road Toyota pickup with two passengers standing up in the back of the truck,...."

Someone official and with facts should contact the Sun and ask for a retraction/correction.

[1450-ranger]

SB Sun has retracted their info and will be fixing the story for tomorrow's paper.

[blacksheep]

THE spot that it happened made it clearly an accident.my heart is with the families of all.if traveling in either direction on the course you can not see over the crest of the hill. i watched the race from the south side and as the copter for jacinto approached all we could see was the blades and he had to be at least 50 feet off the ground and thats all you could see ,making it impossible for people traveling in opposite directions to see each other if they were on the the course.my heart is with all but its truly an accident with no one at fault.

[uffda1309]

Were lights on? Could an engine be heard? Why were they driving at night? They all should have been in the pits drinking their beer and swapping lies.
.:mad: :mad: .................

[aiiraciing]

Were lights on? Could an engine be heard? Why were they driving at night? They all should have been in the pits drinking their beer and swapping lies.
.:mad: :mad: .................

From what I was told, Matt had all his HID's on while in 3rd gear pinned, so the Rhino should have seen his lights coming or even heard his little 22re screaming. But I dont know exactly where the accident took place?

[JCampbell]

Congrats to Paul Kurz in winning his first race ever in his brand new Penhall "Coyote" 1600 car. beating out the Jeffery bro's is pretty impressive for a first run.hopefully we will see more penhall 1600's in the winner's cicle in the near future.Great job to Paul and his crew
Jamie Campbell

[1450-ranger]

From what I was told, Matt had all his HID's on while in 3rd gear pinned, so the Rhino should have seen his lights coming or even heard his little 22re screaming. But I dont know exactly where the accident took place?

The accident took place on main pit. There is a hill/rise that splits main bit in two sections. The hill is about 30 feet high. Going up and over from both directions is blind.

[Esterlein-Racing]

I dont think there should be anymore discussion about this tragic accident. Its total pointless to talk about what should have happend. Accidents in the desert sad but true happen all the time. There nothing anyone can say or do to change the choices people make. No one was at fault regardless of intoxication or how big the hill was or how loud an engine is. The only thing you can do is make sure it doesnt happen to you. My heart goes out to everyone involved. :(

[1450-ranger]

I do not disagree. Just making sure that the correct information is posted. All families involved are in our prayers.

[Beat98TJ]

I am sorry for all those involved. This is terrible.

[Dave_G]

SB Sun has retracted their info and will be fixing the story for tomorrow's paper.

Corrected info appeared in print this morning on page 2...

Thanks!

[CEORanger]

The accident took place on main pit. There is a hill/rise that splits main bit in two sections. The hill is about 30 feet high. Going up and over from both directions is blind.

I want to say there was an accident like this about 4-5 years ago at a race in this same area you are describing. it involved a toyota going head on i belive with another vehicle and there were pics posted of it. just a bad spot in general.
terrible accident in both cases.

if any good comes of this it is I will definitely be way more cautious on hills where i cannot see on the other side.

[Uncle_Bob]

My heart is out to "ALL" involved.



"regardless of intoxication"?

When the bottle is pulled out, so is the coil wire, PERIOD! I am not implying anything about Matt. This is just a general statement that I preach.

[MojaveRacer208]

I don't want to sound accusatory, but one point I have not run across in any of the online discussions of this so far...Someone was going "the wrong way". I spoke to Matt out at the wall Saturday...Nice guy. No evidence of canned stupidity. I don't know who was going which direction at the crash and this section of course gets used in both directions, and has for decades. But at this event, the direction of travel posted for the race course in the area of the crash was southbound. Note again, I wasn't there and am not pointing a finger. Whether we are there to race, or watch, or play...we need to pay attention to the posted direction of travel. And sitting in seats buckled in with helmets on would have left 6 live people to talk about this nasty crash, instead of 5...I've done Tech Inspection, raced, watched and played since the mid 60s. I learned a very long time ago that racing is inherently very dangerous, very few people ever get substantially hurt actually racing since around the time I started Teching, but most of the injuries and deaths happen during play. My friends think I'm a nut for wearing a helmet and buckling in when I go for a little play, but I've seen deaths from NOT taking simple precautions. And I agree that nobody gets in if they aren't sober (from the view of someone else who actually IS). "When you pop the top, it's time to stop!" No "Liquid Robby" allowed...

[MojaveRacer208]

Here are some photos of the event:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/8618941@N08/sets/72157602253467495/

[aiiraciing]

My heart is out to "ALL" involved.




When the bottle is pulled out, so is the coil wire, PERIOD! I am not implying anything about Matt. This is just a general statement that I preach.

So you Preach throwing FULL beer cans at moving trucks in the dezert? Then lying about it.
You have NO ROOM to talk about what you preach. Your also one of the problems.

Matt is a good guy and a great family man, he'll get through this and so will his family.

Keep your head up Saint Helton.

[muthatrucker]

I guess you Preach throwing FULL beer cans at moving trucks in the dezert? Then lying about it.
You have NO ROOM to talk about what you preach. Your one of the problems also.

Matt is a good guy and a great family man, he'll get through this and so will his family.

Keep your head up Saint Helton.



Give it a break bro......

Not many people do as much for local desert racing as Bob and nobody whos involved in desert racing would agree with you.

Take your drama back to DR...

[aiiraciing]

Give it a break bro......

Not many people do as much for local desert racing as Bob and nobody whos involved in desert racing would agree with you.

Take your drama back to DR...

Regardless of what he has done before or after, No one should EVER forget what he did, not trying to start any drama, but Dont forget him throwing a FULL beer can at us....................

And, this has nothing to do with Desert Racing, this has to do with how people act once they get a few Drinks in them, and he acts just as bad if not worse than these DGAF'ers running around the desert

[ACME]

My heart is out to "ALL" involved.




When the bottle is pulled out, so is the coil wire, PERIOD! I am not implying anything about Matt. This is just a general statement that I preach.

Amen Bob, too many 6 pack Robby's in this sport... I'm not implying anything about the people involved in the incident, just tired of the direction this sport is taking...

[SpeedBump]

[QUOTE=MojaveRacer208;338730]Someone was going "the wrong way".[QUOTE]

The incident happened on a blind “single track” hill. I have had near misses at that spot on non-race weekends during the day. There is no “wrong way”.

[Bulldozer]

[QUOTE=MojaveRacer208;338730]Someone was going "the wrong way".[QUOTE]

The incident happened on a blind “single track” hill. I have had near misses at that spot on non-race weekends during the day. There is no “wrong way”.

Thats what I was thinkin. If it's not during a race it's open desert.

[blacksheep]

as i posted earlier that particular spot nobodys at fault.if you were not there SHUT-UP!!! as soon as the race was over the area is an ohv park.most dont have directions that im aware of.according to the CHP REPORT, matt was not legally intoxicated.its unfortionate for all involved .all any of us can do is try to learn from this tragic deal.its a blind hill if you cant see a helicopter flying on the other side im sure your not going to see a vehicle. im sure theres enough hurt and anger from all parties envolved without you speculaters putting your 2 cents into the situaton.

[uffda1309]

as i posted earlier that particular spot nobodys at fault.if you were not there SHUT-UP!!! as soon as the race was over the area is an ohv park.most dont have directions that im aware of.according to the CHP REPORT, matt was not legally intoxicated.its unfortionate for all involved .all any of us can do is try to learn from this tragic deal.its a blind hill if you cant see a helicopter flying on the other side im sure your not going to see a vehicle. im sure theres enough hurt and anger from all parties envolved without you speculaters putting your 2 cents into the situaton.

Excuse me. Don't tell people to SHUT-UP. A course is set up one week before a race and course markings are not removed until Wednesday, or at the earliest, Sunday morning. At the wee hours of Sunday morning, there was course direction markers. As long as there are Posted race signs, the course is closed to being an open OHV area. That is why BLM sets a time limit, ONE WEEK, for picking up the race course. Once the course it picked up, (signs and TRASH), then your are correct. My heart bleeds for the families of all involved, but we all have to make sure we protect our teams and pit crews. They are precious.
CLARE

[Esterlein-Racing]

I completely agree. Its pointless to argue with people that werent even there. This coversation doesnt help the situation and people replying to them just keeps them going. Lets talk about the RACE!!!!





as i posted earlier that particular spot nobodys at fault.if you were not there SHUT-UP!!! as soon as the race was over the area is an ohv park.most dont have directions that im aware of.according to the CHP REPORT, matt was not legally intoxicated.its unfortionate for all involved .all any of us can do is try to learn from this tragic deal.its a blind hill if you cant see a helicopter flying on the other side im sure your not going to see a vehicle. im sure theres enough hurt and anger from all parties envolved without you speculaters putting your 2 cents into the situaton.

[MSFR#9]

I completely agree. Its pointless to argue with people that werent even there. This coversation doesnt help the situation and people replying to them just keeps them going. Lets talk about the RACE!!!!

The race was great until we went by the stupid flatbillers at the rock pile. I can’t believe these idiots actually threw rocks at us. It also was not fun dodging the knuckleheads on their 50's riding on the course in the main pit. There also was an idiot in a red truck racing around on the course during the race. It had numbers on the side (I can’t remember them) and was not entered in the race. If you know this idiot please post a pic of his truck and number. This guy needs to be called out and told what a jacka$$ he is. I would be happy to do it if I could find out who it is. It’s a real shame that these clowns may end up ruining it for the rest of us.

We went out there to have some fun and we did until the accident just after midnight. It happened a little over fifty yards from our camp. I personally watched the guys in rhino almost wad it up several times through the whoops prior to the crash.. I apologize to anyone that knew them, but what they were doing was beyond stupid and they should not have been driving that thing in their condition.

[drj777]

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[jeff]

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