Son of Osama wants to race for peace ??!

[RacerX1]

Son of Osama Bin Laden wants to organize a 3,000 mile race across the North African Desert on horseback for peace.:eek:

"The couple has applied for a visa to Britain. And they are planning their endurance horse race across North Africa, which they hope to start in March. It is in the planning stages - they are seeking approval of governments along the route and need sponsors to help pay for the event and raise money for child victims of war.

Omar said they plan to ride 30 miles a day, with periodic weeklong rests in each country.

Teams from around the world will be encouraged to join in what the couple envisions as an equine version of the Paris-Dakar car rally. That rally was canceled this year due to fears over terrorist threats made by al-Qaida-affiliated groups in North Africa."

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/B/BIN_LADENS_SON?SITE=CAVEN&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

[RacerX1]

ps... Hasn't this been done before?
"HIDALGO"

[bufeo]

Hidalgo is fiction. This proposal may be too. :)

Allen R

[FlyHiFlyLo]

I say RG in his Hummer will dominate.

We'll race with horses for peace... Just 590 horses per entry at a time.

[amr126]

I say as long as we see Pops on horseback in the race than lets go for it!

[RGFan]

***** that guy. Why dont we take him hostage, hold a machete to his neck and tell Osama if he wants to play hard ball, then lets play hard ball. If Al Queda f*cks with us any more, we will do to him what they have done to our people, only much more slowly. Crimes are much lowere in the middle east because of the "eye for an eye" punishments the have there. Better yet, we can take his horses and tie each one to a limb and have his father watch.

A race for peace.....So he can take the proceeds and funnel them to Al Queda.......What a joke

[RacerX1]

Hidalgo is fiction. This proposal may be too. :)

Allen RAnd so is peace in the middle east!

(How are you Allen? Hope all is well.)

[FlyHiFlyLo]

***** that guy. Why dont we take him hostage, hold a machete to his neck and tell Osama if he wants to play hard ball, then lets play hard ball. If Al Queda f*cks with us any more, we will do to him what they have done to our people, only much more slowly. Crimes are much lowere in the middle east because of the "eye for an eye" punishments the have there. Better yet, we can take his horses and tie each one to a limb and have his father watch.

A race for peace.....So he can take the proceeds and funnel them to Al Queda.......What a joke

I like it!

[Bulldozer]

Hidalgo is fiction. This proposal may be too. :)

Allen R

Did hildalgo seem like a really really boring version of Dust to Glory to anyone else?

[dustyhusky]

A bunch of rich arab kids riding thru the Maghreb on their million dollar ponies with their private jets dropping off fresh qat and cigarettes? What would the Pope say?

[RGFan]

A bunch of rich arab kids riding thru the Maghreb on their million dollar ponies with their private jets dropping off fresh qat and cigarettes? What would the Pope say?

You forgot to add burning our flags in the fire to keep warm at night.

[Ferrari333SP]

You forgot to add burning our flags in the fire to keep warm at night.

Whoa whoa now. This thread is turning negative fast. I'm pissed off that the Dakar didn't run this year, but we don't need to start making things up and get all racist. Where do you get this kind of idea? A quote like this reflects the ill-informed view that us Americans have around the world. Flag burning only takes place in isolated areas in the middle east. Don't just assume all "arabs" burn flags; that ALL "arabs" hate us. Jesus; do some f****** research before you make stupid comments like that. It is people that think like that that got Bush elected in 2000 and 2004.


A bunch of rich arab kids riding thru the Maghreb on their million dollar ponies with their private jets dropping off fresh qat and cigarettes? What would the Pope say?

You think just rich "arab" kids would do this race??? Out of all the rich people in the world, you think only "arab" kids would do it? Because they're "arab", somehow this is something only they could do? I highly doubt there's millionares in the al-queda organization. If you had that much money, why would you want to bother yourself with an organization the whole world hates and is hunting? From what Omar is saying, the point of the race is to create peace between middle eastern people and the Western world, and in order to do that you need Westerners to take part in it. Without them there is no race. And how do you know it takes million dollar ponies to ride all the way across the desert? Million dollar ponies are meant for short racing at tracks. I don't think it takes million dollar ponies to ride across the desert. And where in this desert will they be landing private jets??

And just because he is a son of Osama, no matter what he's done in his life to distance himself from him, no matter what he's done to make a legitimate life for himself, because of his name, he has to be secretly working for al-queda and is only doing this to give money to them? How stupid is that? If you actually read that whole article, he's a legitimate businessman, besides his weird marriage to that 52 year old woman. His family disowned Osama back in 1994. Besides, based on where we think Osama is now, in the Pakistan/Afghanistan border region area, there is no way really he could be in contact with his father. I highly doubt they have internet lines way out in the middle of nowhere.

Now, I could be wrong about all of this. This could be a whole cover operation, to get money to al-queda through money raised in this race. But based on all the information given in that article, this sounds like a legitimate race. I would, however, like to see another article, another web page or news service that says something about this new idea for a rally. Some different opinions or quotes from other sources could help confirm some details. To really make this a legit race, more sources are needed.


***** that guy. Why dont we take him hostage, hold a machete to his neck and tell Osama if he wants to play hard ball, then lets play hard ball. If Al Queda f*cks with us any more, we will do to him what they have done to our people, only much more slowly. Crimes are much lowere in the middle east because of the "eye for an eye" punishments the have there. Better yet, we can take his horses and tie each one to a limb and have his father watch.

A race for peace.....So he can take the proceeds and funnel them to Al Queda.......What a joke

RGFan, you really got a screwed up, warped, racist view of these people, this world. You really need to wipe your plate clean, and actually read the news and do some research and get out and see what this world is really like. At my college, I made a friend who was from Egypt, studying at my university for the year. He was a really awesome guy; loved cars, loved music, loved his country of Egypt. I wasn't ignorant; I wasn't scared of him, or didn't doubt him for one second.

I'm really hating the negative vibe a bunch of you on here have of middle-eastern people, or "arabs." It is kind of sickening to think people that think this way still exist, and have infiltrated this awesome desert racing forum. Man I wanted to see the Dakar run this year. I'm totally pissed it had to be canceled because of some terrorist threats made towards the ASO. But I'm not angry towards the whole arab world. If you see only snippets of the news, you probably see only small bits, the negative bits, of things happening in the middle-eastern world. That is how warped views of foreign people develop. I don't want this to happen. The only way we can solve this problem is if we research what we see. If you see something about flag burning on TV or in the newspaper, go online and research flag burning. If you want to know more about al-quada, where it is and how it operates, go online and research it.

Based on what I think this thread will turn into, it probably shouldn't go any further. There will be comments against what I said, but beyond those, like the politics idea in the threads about Dakar being canceled, I don't want it to go any further. I don't want this turning into a total bash fest, back and forth. This isn't the place for it.

I'm pissed about this year's Dakar being canceled, but now I'm totally excited for next year's rally. If that rumor of Robby maybe doing that race in April with his Hummer is true, I'm even more excited. Exciting times ahead.

[RGFan]

If you would have opened up your mind for one minute and read what I wrote, you would realize what I wrote has nothing in common with what you are rambling about.....I am glad you had "A" friend from Egypt who was nice to you. The guy I was reffering to has the last name of Bin Laden. I was by no means reffering to the Middle East as a whole. How dare you stereotype me. If you would do a little bit more reading, you would soon realize that while Bin Laden's family publicly scorns him, they are still privately sending money to the man and Al Queda. Stick to the facts and stop trying to twist my words and the words of others here. As for all of your experience on the Middle East, I was there 5 times last year alone. I have been their both as a sailor and as a civilian. I too have many heart warming stories of the kindness that the majority show ona daily basis. I have been to the UAE, Saudi and Kuwait......I am well aware of the millions of peace loving Arab Muslims that are in this world. But realize that they are not the problem. Pull your head out of your hole and realize that the problem is the Muslim Extremists who are attacking our country, killing our citizens and the citizens of other modern countries just because we allow our women to work, wear dresses, walk on public streets. We allow our female children go to school, go to college and make decisions for themselves. I could go on and on as to why the extremists hate us, but for you to come on here and paint people as racists, when in reality you are simply twisting their words to suit your "agenda" is preposterous. If you actually buy into the liberal propaganda that they hate us because we are in their home land......Well then, it is you who needs to do some more reading. I will not trust a child of a man who attacked our country and killed 2,974 Americans by sponsoring the training of the villians who executed the act. That is not being close minded.....That is common sense. Take off the rose colored glasses and live in the real world.

I know that my bachelors degree did not make me a believer as to what the problems are in the Middle East, going there and seeing the issues and talking to the people first hand, along with reading opinions and issues from both sides of the fence as it was is what helped me formulate my opinion. Now go back, re-read my post and call me a racist. You calling me a racist is like me calling you Anti-American. Once you have researched the issues from both sides of the fence WITH AN OPEN MIND, and have talked to more then one person from Egypt, give me a call. I woud love to discuss the issues of the Middle East and Western Civilization with you once you have educated yourself further on the topic.

A little more info, my sister in-law is Persian, 100% (that is Iranian for the non-knowing). Her families story of how they escaped in the late 70's is incredible. They are now all Amerrican Citizens, they are all college educated, successful and had absolutely no money when they first got here. Her father still has his college diploma from the University of Tehran. The stories that her parents tell us about Iran are absolutely nightmarish. As they put it to me, women might as well be dead over there. My ideology is shared by them completely. Obviously, one can not be racist against one's self.

I realize that your age has probably prevented you from having any real life experiences concerning the topic being discussed, but your age is not an excuse for being narrow minded on this topic. Do a little more research, see both sides of the coin so to speak and then get back to me. It has been told to me by people who have lived under these regimes that violence is the only language they understand. WHo is it of me to tell them they are wrong.

[alan4s]

Well said Ferrari.

[FlyHiFlyLo]

I since some lovers on this board...

Quit being a bunch of daisy lickers...

[Shotdsherrif]

I think everybody might be overreacting. Did anybody see a snippet of the actual press conference? This guy, if anything, looks like he might be the Fredo of the Bin Laden clan. He's sportin a sad set of dreadlocks and he's got said 52 year old wife (he's 26) that has a bad habit of finishing his sentences for him when he can't find the words. Not to mention she looks like a cross between Cruella Deville and Elvira. Can't we all find a way to laugh at this guy without getting all "ethnic" about it? Its not hard, believe me.

And by the way, remember the Bin Laden clan extends way beyond our buddy Osama, they're an international construction conglomerate of whom there were several members in the US (Texas mostly) on the day of 9-11. They seem to have all been quickly shuttled out of the country by the US government the moment the news broke. Other than US military and Cheney's double secret spy plane, its the only other flights that flew over US air space that day. ... hmmmm ...

[Combo]

You think just rich "arab" kids would do this race??? Out of all the rich people in the world, you think only "arab" kids would do it? Because they're "arab", somehow this is something only they could do? I highly doubt there's millionares in the al-queda organization.

Are you Serious?

Do you really know how much Osama is worth? Who is in the organization. You would be surprised who and how much money he is backed by.

Think about his outcome... Mortgage on a cave, some sheets for clothes and hat!:D No money for razors, or haircuts. sandals are pretty cheap!:D

Income, Many thousands of individuals and Governments sending money! And OIL COMPANIES!!!!

He is racking in the dough!!!!

Just waiting for the news of the Napalm dropped on all of it and him!!!!:D :D :D

Were do you think he gets his money from? Running the local Quickie Mart!!!:D

[gaelicdog]

I say kick his ass for peace! I lost one of my oldest and closest friends in the 911 attacks.

If he wants credibility let him turn pop in to the authorities and then we'll talk horse racing.

:mad:

[dustyhusky]

Hey Ferrari,

I am really offended at your crap. Please remove your post. And please get off your politically correct high horse. You dont know what or who you are chatting to on this string.

You are making WAY to many assumptions. Your post is at best a naive mis-interpretation of my observation, at worst a conscious attempt to label me a racist, something i am not. Either way it is offensive.


You have an egyptian friend? Are you kidding me? From that you are saying i am a racist? I spent 6 weeks in Egypt. 3 months in the Sudan. Ive traveled thru Jordon, Syria, Palestine, Israel, Tunisia, Pakistan, Turkey, Malaysia, India, Bosnia, the Swahili coast, Morocco, Mauritania and Senagal. In fact some of those countries i have been to multiple times. When i was 20 years old i traveled for 7 months up the Nile. Nearly all of it thru muslim lands. I slept in mosques and wore native garb.
Ive spent YEARS traveling thru the Umma, lands of muslim majority or very large minorities. I have two international degrees, speak several languages and have ridden dirt bikes on 6 continents.

You have a f-ing egyptian friend? Are you shiiting me?

DONT EVER GET ON HERE AND TWIST MY POSTS INTO SOME KIND OF ACCUSATIONS OF RACISM YOU NAIVE LITTLE WANNABE. GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE AND GO SEE THE WORLD AND THEN YOU CAN HAVE A DEBATE WITH ME. YOU ARE THE HATER, NOT ME.

If Omar has his little race it will have mostly rich arab kids on expensive ponnies. The bin Laden family is one of the richest in Saudi. They are billionaires. Hello, Ferrari, anyone home? Omar is a bin Laden. Got it? His buddies are also rich. In fact most gulf royalty are big time into horse racing--again billionaires. Did you think Omars race would be a bunch of privateer horse racers from Nevada? You got the directors cut of "Hidalgo" in your DVD player?

They will HAVE TO HAVE air support. You cant just ride a horse accross the Sahara, hello!? Why do you think they have camels? DO you think Omar has any idea what the Sahara is like? I've crossed the Sahara a couple times. You have any idea what its like? They will have planes parked at the nightly bivouacs at the airfields out in the desert, just like at the Dakar rally. That will probably mean 6x6 chase trucks with hay and water as well. You dont think Tan Tan or Zouerat or Altar or wherever have airfields? Nearly every stop along the dakar rally is there for one reason and one reason only--its a place with an airfield. Why would Omars race be any different?


Ferrari, please delete your post, or just go away. Go troll somewhere else. And consider getting off the computer and actually traveling to the middle east or north africa or east africa and consider south asia, and then, if along the way you have an open mind and you read all the books you can (consider Ghost Wars for a great background on the bin Laden family fortune) then and only then can you really forecast what Omar's little race would be like:

A rich, decadent, populist, orgy of excess--fueled, ironically, by petro dollars. A bunch of a-hole rich gulf arab kids crossing the poor Berber and Taureg lands of the Maghreb...I wonder what the pope would say?

The pope would probably say that its ok for rich arab kids from Asian Kuwait or Saudi to ride their million dollar ponies across the same African Sahara lands their forefathers invaded and then attempted to colonize.

The same Pope who says rich white kids from European Spain or France who ride their motorcycles accross the African Sahara lands their forefathers invaded and then attempted to colonize are an 'orgy of excess'....

Once again the double standard, the racism of western 'political correctness' is layed bare for all to see. Ferrari, am i making my point yet?

The vast majority of Sahara acreage is owned by indigenous people. They dont like Arabs, at all. Omar and his rich, decadent band of billionaire arab racists crossing the Sahara "for peace" is an affront to most Berbers and Tauregs. At best the rich arab foreigners could buy their way with promises of new schools or re-forestation projects or whatever....oh wait...just like the Dakar Rally.

If you think north africa is Arab, well i have news for you. Its not. There are arab populations in the cities, they are descendents of the conquering hordes from Yemen and the Saudi peninsula who killed and enslaved the locals. But get out into the countryside and there are very few arabs in rural north africa. The rural lands are still owned and run by indigenous peoples. The few arabs that do farm or live a nomadic life (bedouins) are nice, but the rich elite gulf kids are not. They are aholes. And THATS who will be in this race.

Calling out the decadent, rich, racist elite kids of the gulf is not any different than talking about white tweakers from Hesperia. In a global world discussion has to get past the political correctness Ferrari seems to have swallowed hook line and sinker.
There are good arabs (bedouin) and their are bad arabs (rich kids from the gulf). I think bad arabs will be in Omars race.

Rich, decadent, racist, colonial, terrorist sympathizing wahabist nationalist idiot arab scumbags. Like the ones who attacked the USA on 9/11.

[Bulldozer]

http://www.politicsforum.org/

[Infidel Racing Team]

Ferrari,

I am with you on this, but I have lost hope talking politics on this forum.
Most people in the sport have a very narrow view of the world.

Of Course, there are exceptions, but when you get those replies tinted with heavy nationalism, religion, racism etc....then you know you are talkin to the wrong crowd.

I am very fortunate to have many very smart friends from the US, but somehow they perceive terrorism and the middle east is the most important threat to the US at the moment.....

IMHO, the gargantuan rise of China is by far the most relevant issue on the US foreign policy...somehow I never hear anything on the media or the presidential candidates....

Guys, if Omar is for peace, well all the power to him......but for christ sake, wake up and see that most things sold now a days are made in China...that is scary....

It used to be here (Mexico)that all the imported stuff came from the US, now everything sold here is from China....When I go to buy stuff north of the border I can seldom buy US stuff anymore....

[Infidel Racing Team]

I since some lovers on this board...

Quit being a bunch of daisy lickers...

By far you are the most ignorant redneck in this forum....

5 generation of inbreeding in your family are shown everytime you hit the reply button.

[RGFan]

By far you are the most ignorant redneck in this forum....

5 generation of inbreeding in your family are shown everytime you hit the reply button.



If I did not know any better, I would think you were either Ward Churchill, or one of his closed minded cronies.

[Ferrari333SP]

So, if Omar wants this to be a race of peace, how would he go about doing it? From that article, from what I assume he's thinking, he wants to create peace between the western world and his world. He can see the western world doesn't trust anybody from his family or anybody/anything it's attached to. If the race only had the rich arab gulf kids, how would he create peace? If it was just rich arab gulf kids, nobody would care; the press for sure wouldn't care. It seems his idea is to bring horses and rich people in from around the world; if not, then there would be no point in having the race. Having the rich arab gulf kids "give" their money to projects or people or whatever wouldn't do his "peace between sides" idea any good. But, seeing as nobody will ever trust him, there's really no way this race is going to get off the ground. I think he wants the western world to participate, but it's not going to happen.

[RGFan]

By performing an outrageous act of good will would be a good start. Money is not what he needs to be raising, his family alone could make a far greater donation then anything a horse race could raise. Show the world that he is serious about peace, why not inform the goverment as to where his father is. Most of the world already knows how he will answer that question......"I do not know where my father is, I have not talked to him for years", yada yada yada. If you buy that, I also have a great piece of land overlooking the Pacific here in Arizona.

In my mind, unless he performs an act similar to what I posted above, he will not be taken seriously by the West. If he is legitimate, that is unfortunate, but then again if he was/is serious, he could do something alot better then a horse race of all things, in my opinion which makes me think that something sounds fishy. At the end of the day he is still a Bin Laden and because of that, he is guilty either by association or guilty by aiding an international criminal. But whatever his intentions are, he will not be taken seriously by anybody in the West until he proves he is serious by his actions, not his words.

[Shotdsherrif]

If you're still looking at all this crap going on in the middle east and thinking that George Bush is the main culprit then as far as I'm concerned, you don't deserve a seat at the grownups table. Your main duty should remain helping Democrats lose another election. And don't talk to me about congress, I have a cat sitting under my desk licking its butt that is accomplishing more than this congress.

I think RGfan and duskyhusky more than ably defended themselves when called out, no contest there. But going back to what both you guys' originally said, I have to agree that it came off as kind of thoughtless. I basically agree with where you guys are coming from and I'm taking no issue at all with this country aggressively defending its interests anywhere we choose to do so.

But to just automatically start shooting at the sky anytime anyone Arab gets mentioned does kind of come off as racist, I'm sorry. Both you guys obviously know good and well how complicated this whole situation really is with the Saudi family. The truth is the only recent American president to publicly call the Sauds out on their endless duplicity, goes by the name of Bill Clinton. And George Bush, he tends to prefer holding hands and taking long walks in the garden with their diplomats whenever he gets the chance.

Not critisizing him on that, just pointing out that maybe that tells you something about how difficult the whole scenario really is and that maybe just 'screaming for the blood of the infidels' right back at them isn't always the best option. We are obviously very closely tied to the stability of the Saudi regime - and have very close ties with the rest of the Bin Laden family to boot. If we could have just gone in there like we did in Iraq, then why haven't we done so ...???

If our current president has tippie-toed around the issue as carefully as he has, then don't you think it might look just a little bit silly to stand behind him and say nasty things that our government clearly isn't going to back up? I'm not trying to be a d**k here, I'm just trying to stand up for the side that says being American should not equel being stupid or constantly saying stupid things without getting called on it. That doesn't in any way make me "anti-American" - it makes me anti-dumbass. I'm willing to go to war on that point. No offense to you guys. Just go back to your original statement - your reflexive, aggressive one sentence pot shots at this guy (who I have to admit is a total numbnut) and his whole background and tell me if it might not be taken the wrong way.

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that despite his clouded and naive political judgment, that maybe that's part of what ferrari was trying to get at ...

I mean, do you really think this guy knows where his dad is? If you were Osama Bin Laden, would you let your blubbering tool of a son and his British svengali wife know where YOU were ... ? Seriously!

I don't think we need to be arguing about a lot of this stuff. I'm not critisizing our country OR what we're doing. I'm just making a comment on - tone.

[RGFan]

If you're still looking at all this crap going on in the middle east and thinking that George Bush is the main culprit then as far as I'm concerned, you don't deserve a seat at the grownups table. Your main duty should remain helping Democrats lose another election. And don't talk to me about congress, I have a cat sitting under my desk licking its butt that is accomplishing more than this congress.

I think RGfan and duskyhusky more than ably defended themselves when called out, no contest there. But going back to what both you guys' originally said, I have to agree that it came off as kind of thoughtless. I basically agree with where you guys are coming from and I'm taking no issue at all with this country aggressively defending its interests anywhere we choose to do so.

But to just automatically start shooting at the sky anytime anyone Arab gets mentioned does kind of come off as racist, I'm sorry. Both you guys obviously know good and well how complicated this whole situation really is with the Saudi family. The truth is the only recent American president to publicly call the Sauds out on their endless duplicity, goes by the name of Bill Clinton. And George Bush, he tends to prefer holding hands and taking long walks in the garden with their diplomats whenever he gets the chance.

Not critisizing him on that, just pointing out that maybe that tells you something about how difficult the whole scenario really is and that maybe just 'screaming for the blood of the infidels' right back at them isn't always the best option. We are obviously very closely tied to the stability of the Saudi regime - and have very close ties with the rest of the Bin Laden family to boot. If we could have just gone in there like we did in Iraq, then why haven't we done so ...???

If our current president has tippie-toed around the issue as carefully as he has, then don't you think it might look just a little bit silly to stand behind him and say nasty things that our government clearly isn't going to back up? I'm not trying to be a d**k here, I'm just trying to stand up for the side that says being American should not equel being stupid or constantly saying stupid things without getting called on it. That doesn't in any way make me "anti-American" - it makes me anti-dumbass. I'm willing to go to war on that point. No offense to you guys. Just go back to your original statement - your reflexive, aggressive one sentence pot shots at this guy (who I have to admit is a total numbnut) and his whole background and tell me if it might not be taken the wrong way.

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that despite his clouded and naive political judgment, that maybe that's part of what ferrari was trying to get at ...

I mean, do you really think this guy knows where his dad is? If you were Osama Bin Laden, would you let your blubbering tool of a son and his British svengali wife know where YOU were ... ? Seriously!

I don't think we need to be arguing about a lot of this stuff. I'm not critisizing our country OR what we're doing. I'm just making a comment on - tone.


While I do not agree with everything that you stated in your retort, I will admit, it was a mature, responsible response. I will admit, I should have gone into more explanation with my initial response in hind site, but at the time, I did not think it was really necessary. I do however stand by what I said.

The only language these people (meaning extremists) understand is violence. A severe, extreme response IMO is the only thing that would get their attention. There is no middle ground with these extremists, no agreeing to disagree. They are not upset with us only because we are there. They stand against everything that we believe in fundamentally as a country. The only way to handle those types of people is to either round them all up and lock them up forever or to kill them. That is not a pleasant thought to me or even a rational thought at times. But sometimes extreme situations call for extreme responses. This is one of those times in my honest opinion.

As far as whether or not the family knows of where Osama is...........Well, only they know for sure, but it is funny that several family members are known to be sympathetic towards Osama and have been known for funneling funds to him from time to time. If I was in hiding, I know if I was to let anybody at all know of my whereabouts, it would be trusted family members.

With all of that being said, if any one of us had a truly viable solution that everybody would be happy with, then we would be sitting at 1600 Pensylvainia Avenue counseling the POTUS instead of talking here. It is a very complicated situation that in all reality, presidents have been dealing with for over 30 years now. The brightest minds in middle eastern policy have worked on these issues, both conservatives and liberals within those 30 years with still no end in sight. One thing I do know is that we have not yet truly played hard ball with these extremists.One way or another, I sure hope we can find some sort of resolve in our life time.

[Infidel Racing Team]

With all due respect, the answer to the resentment of the Muslim world towards the western world is not that difficult to understand.

The problem relies on how the west (mainly all the super powers) protects their interest inside the Muslim world.

The intrusiveness of the US foreign policy in the region since the last century feeds the hate and resentment towards America.

I am not a Republican nor a Democrat, but except Ron Paul no other candidate addresses the situation that they don’t hate you because you are rich & free…they hate you because you intervene too much in their countries.

Lets face it, if the hated you because you are rich and free, they would target Switzerland and not the US.

Omar just wants to clean a bit the family name, after all there are so many of them (some billionaires) with heavy investments in the west that it must be difficult and even dangerous to be public in the west.

He is just doing a bit of PR and damage control to impress the idea that not all the Bin Ladens are crazy radical billionaires; some are benevolent and should be allowed to invest freely on your political leaders personal projects…..

[RGFan]

With all due respect, the answer to the resentment of the Muslim world towards the western world is not that difficult to understand.

The problem relies on how the west (mainly all the super powers) protects their interest inside the Muslim world.

The intrusiveness of the US foreign policy in the region since the last century feeds the hate and resentment towards America.

I am not a Republican nor a Democrat, but except Ron Paul no other candidate addresses the situation that they don’t hate you because you are rich & free…they hate you because you intervene too much in their countries.

Lets face it, if the hated you because you are rich and free, they would target Switzerland and not the US.

Omar just wants to clean a bit the family name, after all there are so many of them (some billionaires) with heavy investments in the west that it must be difficult and even dangerous to be public in the west.

He is just doing a bit of PR and damage control to impress the idea that not all the Bin Ladens are crazy radical billionaires; some are benevolent and should be allowed to invest freely on your political leaders personal projects…..

That may be the opinion of the average Middle Easterner, actually it is for the majority, but as for the Extremists, it is so much more then that. It is not that simple, if it was, the problem would have been controlled 2 decades ago. You should really read up on the subject before responding. Not trying to be disrespectful, just informative. There have been dozens of books done on this exact topic.

[Infidel Racing Team]

That may be the opinion of the average Middle Easterner, actually it is for the majority, but as for the Extremists, it is so much more then that. It is not that simple, if it was, the problem would have been controlled 2 decades ago. You should really read up on the subject before responding. Not trying to be disrespectful, just informative. There have been dozens of books done on this exact topic.


I should have elaborated a bit more, in order not to appear misinformed; I just assumed you would follow up to the logical conclusion that one of the major problems relies ON THE AVERAGE MIDDLE EASTERN....or your MODERATE MUSLIMS.

Radicalism feeds mainly on the indifference of the moderates. In almost all cultures we see this… Adolf Hitler popularity and effectiveness grew exponentially with the indifference first of moderate and conservative Germans, and then he became a world threat to the point of no return with the world’s indifference towards the early Nazi Regime.

My point is that Radical Muslims wouldn’t have much of a chance if it wasn’t for the intrusiveness of the West on their politics and the indifference of moderate Muslims towards radical Islam.

To me it is just a clear similarity between 1930’s Germany and to today’s Muslim World.

Now if we go back to the original point of Omar Bin Laden doing a race….IMHO it is just a PR stunt to gain goodwill and make his life easier not carrying the burden of being the son of a crazy MoFo.

Seriously, Who would mourn the death of Omar: a rich spoiled Arab kid who happens to be one of the hundred children of today’s most wanted man?

He realizes this and acts accordingly….I could be wrong, but that its my 1st instinct towards this race

[DEZERTSUB]

I am with you on this, but I have lost hope talking politics on this forum.




http://www.politicsforum.org/


"the open-minded will continue to label us ignorant or racist, and we will continue to insist that they don't know WTF they are talking about"
Quote from me, January 21, 2008

[baja619]

Last time Omar spoke with his father was in 2000 at an AL QUAIDA Terrorist training camp.

Sounds like he is a real swell guy. UM YEAH RIGHT!

Even if had denounced his pops I say he is still guilty for previous actions.

When you murder someone you are not free of your ccrime because a couple years pass by.

Well said Dusty Husky.

Ferrari, since you seem to be so informed about so much, is Bush they problem and root of all evil this country is in?

or is it all the Daisey Lickers as FLYHI put it. I am going with the ladder.

[Ferrari333SP]

Last time Omar spoke with his father was in 2000 at an AL QUAIDA Terrorist training camp.

Sounds like he is a real swell guy. UM YEAH RIGHT!

Even if had denounced his pops I say he is still guilty for previous actions.

When you murder someone you are not free of your ccrime because a couple years pass by.

Well said Dusty Husky.

Ferrari, since you seem to be so informed about so much, is Bush they problem and root of all evil this country is in?

or is it all the Daisey Lickers as FLYHI put it. I am going with the ladder.

He is not the root, but one of the main contributors.

[baja619]

I blame the people that dont vote and sit on their hands.

Complain and blame others. That sounds like a working solution that goes no where quick.

[michael_loomis]

you know what.. I'm about damn tired of you tools that think people are close minded because they have a different opinion than you. get a ****ing clue already. you are the pot calling the kettle black. STFU already.

[Infidel Racing Team]

you know what.. I'm about damn tired of you tools that think people are close minded because they have a different opinion than you. get a ****ing clue already. you are the pot calling the kettle black. STFU already.


May I remind you that you always have the prerrogative to ignore or just read another topic on the forum.

Insulting people because you disagree its low in every way.

[Hog Wild]

Insulting people because you disagree its low in every way.Your memory is as short as a minnow . . .


By far you are the most ignorant redneck in this forum....
5 generation of inbreeding in your family are shown everytime you hit the reply button.
Most people in the sport have a very narrow view of the world.

[Shotdsherrif]

With all due respect, the answer to the resentment of the Muslim world towards the western world is not that difficult to understand.

The problem relies on how the west (mainly all the super powers) protects their interest inside the Muslim world.

The intrusiveness of the US foreign policy in the region since the last century feeds the hate and resentment towards America.

I am not a Republican nor a Democrat, but except Ron Paul no other candidate addresses the situation that they don’t hate you because you are rich & free…they hate you because you intervene too much in their countries.

Lets face it, if the hated you because you are rich and free, they would target Switzerland and not the US.

Omar just wants to clean a bit the family name, after all there are so many of them (some billionaires) with heavy investments in the west that it must be difficult and even dangerous to be public in the west.

He is just doing a bit of PR and damage control to impress the idea that not all the Bin Ladens are crazy radical billionaires; some are benevolent and should be allowed to invest freely on your political leaders personal projects…..

The problem with what you're saying is you ignore how political power is used ... and has always gotten used. And you're doing it because you're basing your outlook on an emotional response. Its not a bad thing. It probably says something good about you as a human being that having a sense of compassion carries so much weight. But you don't have a realistic sense of how the world works.

The US is easily the most benevolent world power in the freakin history of world powers. Muslim extremists should wake up every day and thank God that it is us prosecuting this war against them and not the Chinese or the Russians.

To say that we "intervene too much" is completely ignoring the Muslim worlds failure to keep up with the social progress that a majority of the rest of the world already takes for granted - and even those that don't look forward to the day that they might. But in the middle east its still 900 AD ... sorry dude, but there has to be accountability for that.

You're telling me that during the same period that Russia, China AND India (close to 3 billion people; half the world's poplulation) ALL drastically (and voluntarily!) altered their societies to make them more in line with Western European/American social and economic principles ... that we're supposed to stop everything because some morons are trying to reestablish the caliphate from 1200 years ago ... !?!?!? ... NO!

Islam is an excuse ... failure to adapt is the problem.

[michael_loomis]

May I remind you that you always have the prerrogative to ignore or just read another topic on the forum.

Insulting people because you disagree its low in every way.

so you want to be a hippocrit and bag on me, call me narrow minded because I have a different viewpoint than you, and you want me to ignore it and look the other direction??

Hog.. a minnow has a bigger brain and stores way more memory..

maybe a plankton.. but with way less importance to the bottom dwellers...

[Infidel Racing Team]

Your memory is as short as a minnow . . .


I have a long history with the character I addresses the comment to.

[PMAZ7]

There are more "bin Ladens" than most know about. His entire family has outed him as a lunatic years before he started his plans of world domination one muslim at a time. I've lost a few people myself to 9/11/01, but if I held it against his entire family, I would probably have to pay a bit of reparations to the black and native american indian slaves that worked our forefathers fields too. Just my opinion. I've got some strange folks in my family (not evil, just weird...) that I would not want to be judged by, myself.

[matthew]

***** that guy. Why dont we take him hostage, hold a machete to his neck and tell Osama if he wants to play hard ball, then lets play hard ball. If Al Queda f*cks with us any more, we will do to him what they have done to our people, only much more slowly. Crimes are much lowere in the middle east because of the "eye for an eye" punishments the have there. Better yet, we can take his horses and tie each one to a limb and have his father watch.

A race for peace.....So he can take the proceeds and funnel them to Al Queda.......What a joke

you are so true

[Ferrari333SP]

So, does anybody know how he's going to make this race a race for peace? Any idea how it's going to work? Going to have to involve westerners somehow.

[Hog Wild]

So, does anybody know how he's going to make this race a race for peace?He's doing commercials now to raise awareness and convince us that arabs with guns and horses and camels are friendly after all . . .

http://www.youtube.com/v/cMtxhAyaKQI&rel=1

[On The Edge Racing]

Son of Osama Bin Laden wants to organize a 3,000 mile race across the North African Desert on horseback for peace.:eek:

"The couple has applied for a visa to Britain. And they are planning their endurance horse race across North Africa, which they hope to start in March. It is in the planning stages - they are seeking approval of governments along the route and need sponsors to help pay for the event and raise money for child victims of war.

Omar said they plan to ride 30 miles a day, with periodic weeklong rests in each country.

Teams from around the world will be encouraged to join in what the couple envisions as an equine version of the Paris-Dakar car rally. That rally was canceled this year due to fears over terrorist threats made by al-Qaida-affiliated groups in North Africa."

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/B/BIN_LADENS_SON?SITE=CAVEN&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Let me dust off my sniper rifle.

[RGFan]

Man, this topic is still going on?