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Vtr_Racing
March 3rd, 2008, 20:06
The more I read about this the more it stinks in my opinion. Rules are rules at least enforce them for everyone. Level the playing field!!

http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/news?slug=jh-edwards030208&prov=yhoo&type=lgns


LAS VEGAS – After the debacle last weekend in California, NASCAR needed a weekend without stepping in it. And for most of Sunday afternoon NASCAR didn't.


The weather cooperated, the crowd bulged inside Las Vegas Motor Speedway for the UAW-Dodge 400 and Dale Earnhardt Jr. challenged for the win.

But then came the Carl Edwards tire incident, which forced NASCAR into making one of its judgment calls. That was followed by the Carl Edwards oil lid incident, which will force it to make another call Tuesday.

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If only Dale Jr. had won, things would be so much easier. But he didn't. Edwards did, and now NASCAR is left to explain a few things.

First, the oil cooler lid incident.

In postrace inspection, NASCAR found the lid in Edwards' oil cooler "off." That's how it was explained. Off.


That means Edwards could have had an advantage. No oil cooler lid means more air, which could mean more speed.

There is a precedent for this. Five cars were found with the same violation following the Nationwide race at Daytona. Each received a 25-point penalty and the respective crew chiefs were suspended for six races and put on probation for the remainder of the season.

The difference here is none of those five cars won the race. Edwards did.

So when NASCAR takes Edwards' car back to its R&D center in North Carolina, what will come of it?

This is where it gets tough for NASCAR.

If it finds something wrong, what will it do?

Well, we know the answer to this question: NASCAR will dock Edwards points, probably 100, suspend his crew chief and levy a fine.

The problem is, any penalty hints that there was some wrongdoing on the part of Edwards' crew. If that's the case, why not yank the win away from him?

Rules are rules, after all, and if you're going to penalize cheating off the track, they need to treat cheating on the track even harsher.

Which brings us to the tire incident.

Fifty-two laps before taking the checkered flag, Edwards came onto pit road to get four fresh tires. As he left his pit stall, one of his old tires wandered across the infield at Las Vegas Motor Speedway, having somehow gotten loose.

Per NASCAR rules, Edwards could have been issued a penalty. But NASCAR determined the errant tire wasn't the fault of Edwards' crew but rather an erroneous cameraman who got in their way.

Instead of penalizing Edwards a lap, NASCAR allowed him to maintain his third-place position – a decision that changed the entire complexion of the race.

NASCAR can – and did – explain away its decision because it has written its rulebook in a fashion that leaves every rule in it open to its own judgment. Case in point, the rules regarding tire changes:

"If in the judgment of NASCAR officials a team made every effort to control a tire and circumstances beyond their control cause the tire to travel across the pit road, a lap or time penalty may not be assessed."

Eleven days ago, NASCAR penalized Robby Gordon 100 points for an unapproved nose on his car. Before NASCAR handed down the penalty, Gordon pled his case, saying he didn't know the nose was an unapproved version, that the wrong part came from the manufacturer and that it had nearly an identical inventory number as the approved nose.

"We're going to jail for a crime we didn't commit," Gordon said.

NASCAR's response: Tough luck.

"Rules are rules," NASCAR's Sprint Cup competition director John Darby said when I rehashed Gordon's explanation to him.

When Darby told me this, I understood, because even though I'm certain Gordon wasn't trying to skirt the law, NASCAR would be opening up a Pandora's box once it allowed one person to play dumb.

But let's spin this forward. From the rule above, take out the word 'tire' and replace it with words befitting Gordon's situation and here's what you get:

"If in the judgment of NASCAR officials a team made every effort to use the correct nose and circumstances beyond their control cause them to use the wrong nose, a penalty may not be assessed."

Why was Edwards allowed to skate but not Gordon?

"You're assuming it was inadvertent," NASCAR spokesman Ramsey Poston said of Gordon's explanation for the unapproved nose.

It's a valid point but one that paints NASCAR into a corner. Because later this week, if it ends up penalizing Edwards for the oil cooler lid incident, the only way NASCAR can legitimately explain not taking away the win is to assume its being off "was inadvertent."

Oh, they were so close to it all being good. If only Junior had won.

Brandon Johnson
March 3rd, 2008, 20:23
COMLETE BS on NASCAR's part. Dale Jr. should have the win. Gordons penalty should be dropped. The more air more power makes complete sense considering nobody at the end of that race could run with Edwards.

We will see though

michael_loomis
March 3rd, 2008, 21:50
at one point.. Edwards was sent to the tail end of the longest line. He drove thru the field and regained the lead. boy was flyin. hmm.

They have docked teams in the past post race obviously, but have they ever taken a win away?

I see him getting the same penalty as RG.

FlyHiFlyLo
March 3rd, 2008, 21:52
I bet NASCAR takes away his 10 bonus points. TOOOOO. But the win will stand.

drsnutz
March 3rd, 2008, 22:12
man i agree on this one. i get the distinct feeling nascar wants robbie to disappear. it seems every chance they get they're thumping him on the noggin. why i don't know but it just seems that way. did anyone else notice how many times carl edwards was featured on the nascar ads, hmmmmm what's up with that? almost like nascar is trying to dictate who wins the races. nothing against mr. edwards cus dude can flat out drive but i've never seen nascar not penalize someone for the tire infraction whether it's an accident or not. like i posted once before nascar is as political as all the bs going on in washington and that isn't racing and i don't go to nascar races anymore for that reason. if a driver speaks his mind he get's fined, if he doesn't want to talk to the media after a race he gets fined. nascar is a bunch of dog sucking cronies who wouldn't know real racing if they seen it and are in it for one reason only MONEY! just my opinion bros

Tristar Racing
March 3rd, 2008, 22:29
How did they rule on the pit road incident? Oh yea, INTENT! Whats the rule? The tire needs to come over the pit wall and be secured. Did that happen, yes or no? Its ridiculous; Nascar says they cannot rule on intent with RG, but then they go do it with the 99. Or what about the 48, 88 and 17 being allowed to come back through tech after not meeting rear decklid height?

You know whats out of control? Nascar's decision makers. I have just about had it with this crap, and its only the forth race of the the season. I say start the two car IRL team (with Tracy as the second driver), sell the top 35 (he will be in the top 35 after Bristol, trust me) position to Red Bull Racing, and run a partial schedule at tracks where Robbys knows he can compete.

I wanted to jump through my radio on Friday when on Sirius they were discussing RGs penalty with a caller and the raio host was basically providing no arguement for why it had to happen. The host ran out of arguements, and just said "see, now we are just going round and round." Total cop out. Dont argue that he should have had the fine, that its fair, and then when good points are brought up back out and say the arguement is just going to go in circles. I hate that afternoon show.

Ill be honest, my spending on Nascar (race tickets, scanner online, etc) will be over come March 5th if they dont give those points back.