Judgement Day (sp)

[Brandon Johnson]

Today is tuesday the 4th. Tomorrow is judgement day. Lets here your reactions as the verdict comes out for Robby. What time is the ruling suppose to be out?

[Bricoop]

I'll let you know as soon as I hear something.

[REEVESRacing]

Rusty Wallace on Nascar Now <ESPN> Tonite...

"I hope he dosent get the death penalty for a misdemeanor. We need guys like RG in Nascar, I think Nascar Fans all over America are rooting for RG."

[spalind]

Rusty Wallace on Nascar Now <ESPN> Tonite...

"I hope he dosent get the death penalty for a misdemeanor. We need guys like RG in Nascar, I think Nascar Fans all over America are rooting for RG."


Bingo!! Just got my "Rally for Robby" tshirt in yesterday...just wish I could have worn it to work...damn dress code!!:D

[Tristar Racing]

Should be interesting today to say the least.

Question, is it just me or does anyone else here dislike most of the members over on RobbysUprising? I try to read through their forum conversations, and its just painful.

Sometimes that site is nice for videos and other info, but I much prefer the crowd on here...

[Dempkowski Motorsports]

:::: fingers crossed::::::::: :D

[spalind]

Should be a real interesting day as the penalty (if there is to be one) on Cousin Karl's infraction should be coming down today too...will make for quite a jumble in the standings with RG possibly moving way up and CK moving way down...

[NIKAL]

Should be interesting today to say the least.

Question, is it just me or does anyone else here dislike most of the members over on RobbysUprising? I try to read through their forum conversations, and its just painful.

Sometimes that site is nice for videos and other info, but I much prefer the crowd on here...

Also try robbynews.com forums. RobbysUprising seems to be filled with people who dont always have a clue. At robbynews most call it like they see it, there all RG fans but when he chokes they all call it out. Also there is no censorship. If your opinion is not of the masses you will not get edited or deleted like NOL did.

[Chris Tobin]

Should be a real interesting day as the penalty (if there is to be one) on Cousin Karl's infraction should be coming down today too...will make for quite a jumble in the standings with RG possibly moving way up and CK moving way down...

I am curious to see if the CE announcement comes before or after the RG announcement!

I hope they really hammer Edwards and his team as this was a POST race cheat not something from PRE race inspections! I don't know how much of an advantage the cover off gave him but he sure was able to slice through the field when he got penalized for the 1st tire on pit road! I would like to see them take away the win and post him offically as DQ for the event with ZERO points then adjust every other driver up one position. I'm sure it won't happen but if they got that serious it sure would help prevent future cheating! It wouldn't even hurt Edwards that much as it would drop him to around 20th in the standings right around where RG should be!

I can't wait to see what happens, but somehow I worry that I will be disappointed on both RG and CE announcements, I hope not.

[b-makk]

Should be a real interesting day as the penalty (if there is to be one) on Cousin Karl's infraction should be coming down today too...will make for quite a jumble in the standings with RG possibly moving way up and CK moving way down...

Hopefully Robby's decision is handed down before Carl's. The Busch decisions came out the day after the appeal. Carl's comes down tomorrow but Robby's comes from an appeal board while Carl's comes from Nascar.


UPDATE: Carl Edwards said on NASCAR This Week [SPEED] that a bolt backed out, but he expects to be penalized.(3-3-2008)
UPDATE 2: NASCAR did not announce any penalties Tuesday and supposedly will make an announcement on their decision sometime Wednesday, March 5th.(3-4-2008)

[bajafox]

I hate to be the negative one but I keep thinking back to that carburetor mishap last season when it wasn't the HOF racing teams fault (I think it was them) yet the penalty stood.

I'm expecting the worse and hoping for the best...

[Bricoop]

Wow, Nascar told RG no Lawyers in the meeting. That's Nascar for you.

Just heard Nascar upheld the #0 Nationwide penalty.

[spalind]

Wow, Nascar told RG no Lawyers in the meeting. That's Nascar for you.

Just heard Nascar upheld the #0 Nationwide penalty.

Where are you getting your info from?

[Bricoop]

Where are you getting your info from?

some guy ;)

[woundedyak]

I have a feeling that Nascar is not going budge on this!

[Chris Tobin]

Where are you getting your info from?

It is posted on nascar.com now...

[Tristar Racing]

No lawyers... Oh man.

Seriously, can we take our ball and go home? Nascar operates like a redneck mafia of sorts, and I doubt RGM will get a fair shake.

Why would they say no lawyers? Ill give you two guesses, and the first one doesnt count. Im past fed up...

[Chris Tobin]

I have a feeling that Nascar is not going budge on this!

It seemed to me that the commision listened to the teams and if they presented valid arguments the penalties were reduced or removed and if there was nothing they were upheld. Hopefully they are reasonable with RGM and listen to all the evidence and overturn the penalties!!!:D

[DEZERTSUB]

There was a pretty good article in todays Orange County Register along with a photo of RG. I'm doing like someone else mentioned, hoping for the best, but anticipating the worst.

[Ryan_P]

If they withheld the penalty on the #0 Nationwide car, they better dock the #99 hard.

[woundedyak]

If they withheld the penalty on the #0 Nationwide car, they better dock the #99 hard.

I think Neckcars decision on the 99 will depend on how many races that Office depot want to sponsor

[Chris Tobin]

If they withheld the penalty on the #0 Nationwide car, they better dock the #99 hard.

Did you mean UPheld not withheld? If so I am with you, I want them to tear into the 99!

[Ryan_P]

Did you mean UPheld not withheld? If so I am with you, I want them to tear into the 99!

Yeah, sorry. Sometimes multi-tasking gets the best of me.

It's been a proven advantage that with the cover off, the front end gets more downforce.

[Chris Tobin]

Yeah, sorry. Sometimes multi-tasking gets the best of me.

It's been a proven advantage that with the cover off, the front end gets more downforce.

Proven by a first place finish and running through the pack carrying a lot more speed through the corners!!! I hope the take away the win!

[woundedyak]

Proven by a first place finish and running through the pack carrying a lot more speed through the corners!!! I hope the take away the win!

Take the win from Cousin Carl? Nascars All American Poster Boy! I can see that conversation with Neckcar. "Geeezzzz guys" (With lawyers present) "It just fell off during the race. My bad! It's not like we are RG and trying to cheat"

[Chris Tobin]

man the waiting is killing me... I keep checking nascar.com, jayski.com, foxsports.com and here to see if anyone has heard anything yet...

I want to know about the 99 penalty, should be harsh!!! and the 7 apeal, hopefully overturn the penalty!!!:D

[spalind]

man the waiting is killing me... I keep checking nascar.com, jayski.com, foxsports.com and here to see if anyone has heard anything yet...

I want to know about the 99 penalty, should be harsh!!! and the 7 apeal, hopefully overturn the penalty!!!:D

I know...I keep bouncing from website to website hoping to find something, but nothing yet...

[NIKAL]

Here is a good article, Q/A with George Gillett of GEM.

He talks about GEM and Robby Gordon's partnership with them.

http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=281343&FS=NASCAR-CUP

[Bricoop]

Appeal now in final stage as Gordon fights for future
By Jenna Fryer, The Assocuated Press

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Most of the attention was on Tony Stewart when he limped away from a hard wreck at Las Vegas.

And as the two-time NASCAR champion explained how the hit left him with a tingling sensation in his legs, few people even noticed that Robby Gordon had just pulled his crippled race car into the garage. Their accidents were similar: Both drivers had a tire fail, causing their cars to slam hard into the wall.

Neither driver was hurt, but the long-term effects aren't equal.

For Gordon, the accident could be another blow to his reeling race team.

The accident caused Gordon to finish 42nd on Sunday, just one spot ahead of Stewart. But unlike Stewart, the outcome sent Gordon plummeting in the points standings to 37th.

Now he needs a near-miracle to prevent a season that started with so much promise from imploding. NASCAR's last independent owner-driver goes before an appeals committee on Wednesday desperately needing relief from a recent penalty that could destroy his race team.

His odds aren't good: In the 99 hearings held during the past eight years, The National Stock Car Racing Commission upheld 68 decisions. In two instances, the original penalty was increased.

The original penalty was reduced 21 times and the penalties were overturned just eight times -- including a ruling on Monday that gives Gordon some hope. In a 2-1 decision, the three-member panel overturned penalties levied against Rusty Wallace Inc. that included a six-race suspension and $15,000 fine for crew chief Steve Darne because of an infraction found on the Nationwide Series car of David Stremme.

Still, Gordon has a hard fight ahead over an un-approved front bumper on his brand new Dodge when he reported to the season-opening Daytona 500. The infraction cost him 100 points in the standings, while his crew chief was suspended six races and fined $100,000.

But Gordon insists the penalty hardly fits the crime.

"We're going to jail for a crime we didn't commit," he's steadfastly insisted.

The incident has marked a tough two months for Gordon, the stubbornly lovable lone wolf of NASCAR who insists on doing everything his very own way.

So when terrorist threats led to the January cancellation of the Dakar Rally, costing Robby Gordon Motorsports more than $4 million in personal losses, he had to scramble to get his race team on solid footing. It meant quickly putting an alliance together with Gillett Evernham Motorsports that required him to move from Ford to Dodge the week before teams reported to Daytona.

With just a few days to make the transition, his team scrambled to build him race cars and used whatever parts the manufacturer sent his way.

Gordon said the un-approved bumper came from Dodge, and with zero familiarity in the new equipment, the team had no way of knowing the part had yet to receive NASCAR's approval for competition.

"It was an unfortunate series of human errors compounded by the very short timeframe RGM had to get their car changed to Dodge Chargers in time for the Daytona 500," said Kipp Owen, director of SRT and Dodge Motorsports Engineering.

"Dodge has taken appropriate steps in the warehouse to make sure that prototype parts cannot be mistaken for approved parts in the future and hopes that the circumstances surrounding this error are taken into consideration."

NASCAR had little wiggle room on the issue. Since implementing a zero tolerance policy on modifications to the Car of Tomorrow, the sanctioning body has ruled with an iron fist on teams that run afoul of the inspectors.

Add in an increased effort to sweep the culture of cheating out of the sport, and penalties have been brutal of late. Suspensions are lengthy and fines, which averaged about $200,000 a year over the past decade, totaled almost $1 million in 2007 alone.

So for NASCAR, Gordon's infraction was a black and white issue. It doesn't matter why or how the bumper got on his Dodge. It was illegal and the sanctioning body reacted accordingly.

Gordon doesn't think every issue is always black or white.

"It was something that we didn't build, we didn't fix, we didn't supply," he said. "It was a clerical error from the manufacturer and all we did was install it actually on the race car ... it's almost like you put yourself in a position that if someone steals your car and robs a bank, but because it was your car, you're going to jail."

That's the case Gordon will make Wednesday to a three-member panel that will hear his appeal. It's a tough process and teams very rarely prevail in getting penalties reduced, let alone overturned.

"The real issue is intent -- and it was obvious that there was no intent to get around the rules," GEM owner George Gillett Jr. said Tuesday. "The other was that there is absolutely no belief on anyone's part that the mistake would have led to any performance advantage."

Although there is recent precedent -- the panel last year threw out a $10,000 fine levied against a Hendrick Motorsports crew chief accused of modifying an intake manifold -- Gordon has no way of knowing which way this is going to go.

If the panel gives him back his points, he'd jump all the way to 21st in the standings. If the deduction stands, then he heads into Atlanta Motor Speedway this weekend below the all-important top 35 mark with just two events left to race his way back into a guaranteed spot in every race.

Gordon knows if he starts missing races, his days as a car owner could be numbered. He's worked too hard and too long to see it all crumble this way, something even NASCAR privately admits.

Gordon indicated Tuesday during testing at Phoenix that the loss of his appeal might drive him to the reunified IndyCar Series. Gordon said he could field his own car in the open-wheel series.

But personal feelings can't enter these proceedings, and that's sobering when Gordon's NASCAR future is on the line.

"We don't want to fight NASCAR," Gordon said. "We want to participate in NASCAR, and we want to compete at this level. If this sticks, I don't know what our plan will be. I'll be honest with you.

"But there is ... I think open wheel got back together, and I know I can drive one of those cars."

The Sporting News Wire Service contributed to this report.

[bajafox]

Wow, I guess NOL would be the last place to look for any updates, that same article was posted on Yahoo 2 days ago...(I'm assuming you got it from NOL Coop)

http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/news;_ylt=AptzUNhWfShGTR5W72Al5sDov7YF?slug=ap-nascar-inthepits&prov=ap&type=lgns

Guess I'll stick to refreshing Yahoo and checking up on this site

[Bricoop]

Wow, I guess NOL would be the last place to look for any updates, that same article was posted on Yahoo 2 days ago...(I'm assuming you got it from NOL Coop)

http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/news;_ylt=AptzUNhWfShGTR5W72Al5sDov7YF?slug=ap-nascar-inthepits&prov=ap&type=lgns

Guess I'll stick to refreshing Yahoo and checking up on this site

ya, thanks

[Ryan_P]

Here is a good article, Q/A with George Gillett of GEM.

He talks about GEM and Robby Gordon's partnership with them.

http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=281343&FS=NASCAR-CUP

It says that they have a verbal agreement as of last night for a primary sponsor on the 10 car.

Valvoline to RGM? Let's hope so..

[bajafox]

ya, thanks

Didn't mean to make it sound like I was bagging on you for it, but lately I've noticed that NOL is way behind the times on "breaking news"

The wait is killing me though, I hope we find out before I head out for lunch

[woundedyak]

If Valvoline goes to RG. It looks like GEM marketing is generating some cash flow for RG. Which makes me think they want to RGM to stick around for awhile!

[spalind]

Look at it this way...has there been ANY driver mentioned MORE than RG in the past 3 weeks?? Nope...

[NIKAL]

It says that they have a verbal agreement as of last night for a primary sponsor on the 10 car.

Valvoline to RGM? Let's hope so..

I dont think that Valvoline will be leaving the #10 car. The #10 car was not fully funded this year. With this new sponsor Gillett was talking about, that would most likely fill that void. What will be a plus is the fact that once GEM has all three of their cars fully sponsored they can turn there attention to RGM and help them get sponsors.

[spalind]

I dont think that Valvoline will be leaving the #10 car. The #10 car was not fully funded this year. With this new sponsor Gillett was talking about, that would most likely fill that void. What will be a plus is the fact that once GEM has all three of their cars fully sponsored they can turn there attention to RGM and help them get sponsors.

I think its pretty sad that the 10 car has secured full sponsorship for the year despite a rookie driver, outside the top 35, already missed one race, etc...but RG who is proven to run in the top 35, is a great self promoter, etc. has had immense trouble finding sponsors for two years in a row now...

[Chris Tobin]

I think its pretty sad that the 10 car has secured full sponsorship for the year despite a rookie driver, outside the top 35, already missed one race, etc...but RG who is proven to run in the top 35, is a great self promoter, etc. has had immense trouble finding sponsors for two years in a row now...

My guess would be that the 10 sponsorship is something Canadian related that applies directly to PC, while RG does not have that type of pull. I agree it does suck that he is having to scrape sponsorship together, but I think he likes not having all the eggs in one basket and would rather have 3 sponsors with smaller involvement than that 1 golden egg that could fall appart like what happened with Harras Casino...

It is crazy that RG ever has a blank hood, especially when he is in the top 35, I would have thought that last year one of the sponsors that DNQed would have jumped on the hood of RGs car but it didnt happen and I have no Idea why?!?!?!?!?

Just my 2 cents.

[Tristar Racing]

What happened to the MAC Tools deal inked last year??? I thought they were signed on for 2 races for 2008...

[woundedyak]

I think its pretty sad that the 10 car has secured full sponsorship for the year despite a rookie driver, outside the top 35, already missed one race, etc...but RG who is proven to run in the top 35, is a great self promoter, etc. has had immense trouble finding sponsors for two years in a row now...

I think that's part of the problem trying to do everything yourself. He needs to hire himself a good "Rep" and stick to what he does best.

[spalind]

A Boston Herald reporter I just emailed says the results of the hearing won't be announced till 5pm eastern...Not that this guy is a #1 NASCAR source...just relaying what I am being told, take if for what its worth...

[Chris Tobin]

This was just posted on jayski.com...



NO WORD on Robby's Appeal or the #99 Penalty, NASCAR is 'expected' to announced what/if any actions will be taken against the #99 team. The National Stock Car Racing Commission is scheduled to HEAR Robby Gordon's appeal, doesn't mean it will be announced today, it could be, or it may be Thursday...or another day.

I hadn't considered the fact that they may not announce decision today...:confused: :( We may have to suffer through 'till tommorrow or even later...

I don't know why we havent heard on the 99 car yet, but I suppose since they took the car back with them they could be analizing something or testing something on the car then they will determine the penalty or lack thereof from the results...

[woundedyak]

There going to jerk RG around for a few days make it look like they actually took a good long look at the situation.In all actuality,they are talking with the lawyers to find out how they screw him over even harder.

[DEZERTSUB]

There going to jerk RG around for a few days make it look like they actually took a good long look at the situation.In all actuality,they are talking with the lawyers to find out how they screw him over even harder.

If you're so disappointed with NASCAR, STOP WATCHING IT.

Such F'ing negativity around here.

Go jerk off to some RG offroad vids or something

[Tristar Racing]

If you're so disappointed with NASCAR, STOP WATCHING IT.

Such F'ing negativity around here.

Go jerk off to some RG offroad vids or something

Everything is sunshine and farts when your a Hendrick fan... ;)

I will only go do said activity once my Hendrick "We Love Pole" T shirt comes in... :)

Again, just playing around, trying to lessen the intensity. I have a JJ Altel hat, die cast, and rooted for him even back when he was driving the herzog #22 pennzoil ASA car. Im not really trying to bash him and Jeffie, just poke some fun at their fans, haha.

[woundedyak]

If you're so disappointed with NASCAR, STOP WATCHING IT.

Such F'ing negativity around here.

Go jerk off to some RG offroad vids or something

Wow! Who stole jelly out of your donut?

[DEZERTSUB]

OK, let me clarify:

Robby Gordon has done some real stupid things during his tenure in NASCAR.
We all recall the helmet throwing incident at MW, and what a poor example of sportsmanship and safety for the younger generation watching NASCAR.
If you can't agree with me on that, then you need your head checked.

On THIS issue, I believe NASCAR will come to the right conclusion, as it was nothing more than a clerical error on the part of Dodge, and when the dust settles I think NASCAR will see that. If RG can keep his cool and not throw helmets at NASCAR officials, I think we will all see the situation resolved.

I don't disagree that RG or his team shouldn't be responsible for this infraction, but quit victimizing him at the expense of NASCAR. Sounds like a bunch of Berkeley liberals crying.

And for anyone who wants to "poke fun" at HMS and their drivers...
look at the Championship count, speaks for itself.

No hard feelings.

[Combo]

ESPN satellite truck in RGM parking lot awaiting on decision of appeal.

[spalind]

ESPN satellite truck in RGM parking lot awaiting on decision of appeal.

5 PM (if thats when they release the ruling) can't come soon enough...lets get this over with and move on to some racing...

[Combo]

Edwards Fined.

100 Owner and Driver Points.

100K fine for CC

6 week CC suspension.

10 points for win if going to chase not used.

[bajafox]

OK, let me clarify:
Robby Gordon has done some real stupid things during his tenure in NASCAR.
We all recall the helmet throwing incident at MW, and what a poor example of sportsmanship and safety for the younger generation watching NASCAR.
If you can't agree with me on that, then you need your head checked.


It's funny that you mention throwing helmets, here's something Bruton Smith said on a recent interview:

Q: Eddie Gossage, who runs Texas Motor Speedway for you, is offering $15,000 to any Cup driver who shows a little emotion and throws a helmet between now and the April 6 running of the Samsung 500 in Texas. Are you willing to match that offer?

Smith: I don't know if I'll match that. I think I'd better save my money for Speedway Childrens Charities. But that's probably not the worst idea that Eddie's ever had. He's had billboard ideas from time to time. There are a lot of things that come out of Texas that I think are extremely clever.

But here again, what we need is for some of these drivers to give us drama. We don't have enough drama. We need someone to get up out of a car and go over and slap somebody. If they'd come over and slap me, at least there'd be a response. That's what we need. We need some of these things happening.

http://www.nascar.com/2008/news/features/03/04/1on1.bsmith/1.html

[jimmer_21]

pretty heavy duty deal on Edwards...hopefully this is not a vision of things to come

[Chris Tobin]

OK, let me clarify:

Robby Gordon has done some real stupid things during his tenure in NASCAR.
We all recall the helmet throwing incident at MW, and what a poor example of sportsmanship and safety for the younger generation watching NASCAR.
If you can't agree with me on that, then you need your head checked.

On THIS issue, I believe NASCAR will come to the right conclusion, as it was nothing more than a clerical error on the part of Dodge, and when the dust settles I think NASCAR will see that. If RG can keep his cool and not throw helmets at NASCAR officials, I think we will all see the situation resolved.

I don't disagree that RG or his team shouldn't be responsible for this infraction, but quit victimizing him at the expense of NASCAR. Sounds like a bunch of Berkeley liberals crying.

And for anyone who wants to "poke fun" at HMS and their drivers...
look at the Championship count, speaks for itself.

No hard feelings.

I think the helmet toss was more than warranted... MW punted him in revenge under caution... That was the poor example of sportsmanship and safety for the kiddies. If you think MW was in more danger from RGs helmet than RG was from MW spinning him you really need to rethink your grasp on reality as you clearly need a new one! I would have been mad at MW too if he spun me while we were under caution because he didn't like that I passed him!!! Also remember that RG was not fined or penalized for the helmet toss but for calling MW a POS in the interview! NASCAR has even said that they want the personalities and TMS president Gossage has offered $15,000 to a driver who throws a helmet in anger at another driver...

NASCAR does seem to be more strict with RG than others, think about the timing of many debris cautions, how many fall right after RG pits??? Also NASCAR has been very inconsistent with its rulings lately, LV was a perfect example... the 99 was sent to the back when the first tire got away but not when the second one did, and also they still haven't issued a penalty for the POST race infraction. Edwards is one of NASCARs poster boys and he has failed post race inspections folowing more than one win!!!

Sorry to rant, and I don't mean anything personal by it but your statement really touched a nerve and RG does seem to get the short end of the stick from NASCAR on a regular basis...

[Chris Tobin]

Edwards Fined.

100 Owner and Driver Points.

100K fine for CC

6 week CC suspension.

10 points for win if going to chase not used.

I am GLAD they were hard on them and I feel that NASCAR will uphold this under appeal if they do appeal it.

Essentially they did take the win away by saying they don't get the chase bonus for it!!

NASCAR got this one right, now I hope they get the RG appeal right and overturn the penalty!!!

[DEZERTSUB]

I think the helmet toss was more than warranted... MW punted him in revenge under caution... That was the poor example of sportsmanship and safety for the kiddies. If you think MW was in more danger from RGs helmet than RG was from MW spinning him you really need to rethink your grasp on reality as you clearly need a new one!


You think RG standing in the middle of a track with cars going by was safer than hitting the bumper of a car with another car?

I wasn't justifying MW's actions mind you, but seriously man, you gonna get out of your car in the middle of the intersection because some moron cuts you off?

[Tristar Racing]

OK, let me clarify:
And for anyone who wants to "poke fun" at HMS and their drivers...
look at the Championship count, speaks for itself.


Your right, they cheat better than everyone else in the garage. Trust me, I saw it with my own eyes while at Goodyear.

As far as Robby making himself a target, yes he has. Does that make it right if Nascar comes down unfairly on him? No, it does not. I mean it was the wrong nose, a nose that was sent to him, and its agreed that it offered no performance advantage; unlike the various decklid, roof height, and etc. penalties that have been handed down to Hendrick.

I mean Chad Knaus is off more weekends than he works, haha. Seriously though, you think Im lying? Or embelishing? Go listen to Jeff Gordons car coming off the turns at Atlanta in the early 2000s. Hendrick figured out how to run traction control, and Nascar responded by forcing the teams to mount their ignition boxes on the dash, in plain sight from the front windshield; mainly to be able to police the systems better. I could go on...

And last I checked, Championship count has nothing to do with jeffies and JJs love of pole... :p

Im just messing aroudn with ya about the pole stuff, but honestly they are a damn crafty team. Whats it like to root for cars that have a chance of winning? :)

[Combo]

Hes just mad because he knows if you take JJ out of a hendrix car he is not that good.

Look at the International Race of Champions.

[spalind]

Well, that drops Carl back to 7th and puts KB back in the lead...I think this is BAD news for RG...NASCAR will now claim they have to keep the RG penalty the same as it shows "consistancy" ...

[Chris Tobin]

You think RG standing in the middle of a track with cars going by was safer than hitting the bumper of a car with another car?

I wasn't justifying MW's actions mind you, but seriously man, you gonna get out of your car in the middle of the intersection because some moron cuts you off?

He was on the side of the track waiting for MW under caution the same as track workers who are cleaning up or anything like that... So yes he was safer at that point than when he got spun...

[Chris Tobin]

Well, that drops Carl back to 7th and puts KB back in the lead...I think this is BAD news for RG...NASCAR will now claim they have to keep the RG penalty the same as it shows "consistancy" ...

Remember this is POST race versus PRE race inspections. I am still hopeful that they will overturn RGs penalty!

[DEZERTSUB]

He was on the side of the track waiting for MW under caution the same as track workers who are cleaning up or anything like that... So yes he was safer at that point than when he got spun...

Wrong dude. Someone almost hit him.

Sorry to upset the Gospel of Robby Gordon, but you're wrong here. Period.

[Combo]

But Robby Gordon is Superman NO Car hitting him will hurt him!!!:D

Faster then a Speeding Bullett!!!!!!!!

[Tristar Racing]

Wrong dude. Someone almost hit him.

Sorry to upset the Gospel of Robby Gordon, but you're wrong here. Period.

Yea, Robby was in a dangerous spot, Tony Stewart almost tagged him, watch the YouTube video and realize those cars are probably at least going 35 mph around him.

It was a dumb move, but classic RG.

[DEZERTSUB]

But Robby Gordon is Superman NO Car hitting him will hurt him!!!:D

Faster then a Speeding Bullett!!!!!!!!

Now THAT was funny~!~!:D :D :D

[Chris Tobin]

Wrong dude. Someone almost hit him.

Sorry to upset the Gospel of Robby Gordon, but you're wrong here. Period.

My bad, I forgot about TS almost getting him, but I still think MW was the one who was in the wrong here and had he not done it the helmet toss wouldn't have happened either...:D

[tpgn00]

All Penalties Rescinded!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bricoop]

All Penalties Rescinded!!!!!!!!!!!!
Way to go RG!!!

[bajafox]

MW is still a POS and RG was wrong for doing what he did.

End of story.

Back to the topic, no need to beat a dead horse...

5 eastern would make it 3 our time right?

[tpgn00]

Yup just got the text from the team

[jimmer_21]

awesome, absoutely awesome!

[DEZERTSUB]

On THIS issue, I believe NASCAR will come to the right conclusion, as it was nothing more than a clerical error on the part of Dodge, and when the dust settles I think NASCAR will see that. If RG can keep his cool and not throw helmets at NASCAR officials, I think we will all see the situation resolved.


Told you so!
And I'm very glad for RG, his team, and his fans!

[Bricoop]

they added 50,000 to the fine, who cares?

[tpgn00]

Just got another text, all penalties rescinded except for the $100,000 and it was increased to $150,00

[Desert_Roller]

Hand the bill over to Dodge or GEM

[DEZERTSUB]

You think Dodge will pick up that tab???

[NIKAL]

Why would they keep the money part of the fine and then why increase it? I would like to hear the explanation for that. If they found RGM clear of a points penalty then you would think the whole penalty would have dropped. Oh who cares its not my coin!

[bajafox]

That's awesome, completely made my day.

They probaby sold enough Rally for Robby t-shirts to make up the 50K, you can put a price on points though, can't wait till it goes public

And to confirm on Edwards penalty:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/news;_ylt=AlPnDYA6RQ1AJXtXGTD3.zvov7YF?slug=ap-nascar-edwardspenalty&prov=ap&type=lgns

[Hemp]

edwards just got docked 100/100 6 weeks and $100,000

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Once again RG did what he did when he bacame the man responsible for the Lucky dawg campain... He has been able to set the standard... You can fight it... but.... It may be more.

Way to go RG!!!! Fair is F'ing Fair Beotch's...

[Chris Tobin]

I am glad they gave the points back but the $150 is a little confusing. I guess that is the fine for making a mistake but they gave the points back since it wasn't trying to get an on track advantage...

I hope the official word comes out soon. I'm about to head home from the office...

[michael_loomis]

ok is this confirmed truth lol?

And to my boy DW (Dezsub) .. speaking of crying liberals, you just wait buddy.. JG, JJ are gonna be in tears if they dont get a win here soon. JG almost let loose last week.

NASCAR is turning puzzified, just like the NFL, MLB, and NBA. Role models.. sheesh.. these are RACERS, not role models! I guess they should stop televising UFC if all athletes need to be role models first.

Heck.. that Bruton Smith article was hilarious... lets start a collection to give to the first driver who slaps him, LOL

[DEZERTSUB]

guess I kinda set myself up for that one:rolleyes:

[Desert_Roller]

I would like to think NASCAR raised the monetary penalty to make a point that the nose/bumper was wrong and should not have been sent out until NASCAR approves it. With the backing Dodge or GEM has given RG on the issue I would assume one of them will pay the fine. Think of it as a firmer wrist slap for screwing with the COT.

As for rescinding all other penalties NASCAR realized if they keep screwing with RG the revolt will just keep getting larger!

[DEZERTBOUND]

....someone has to pay for the review board;)


....and FLY must be happy that is the first time I ever have seen one of his post with a typo:D

....time for a drink baby.....

[RacingOne]

From: Jayski:
Robby's Appeal to be held on March 5th UPDATE:: #7-Robby Gordon's appeal to NASCAR officials in response to a 100-point penalty and six-race suspension and $100,000 fine for crew chief Frank Kerr is scheduled to be heard on Wednesday, March 5, 2008 in Daytona.(2-28-2008)
UPDATE: nothing official, but am hearing all of the penalties [points and crew chief suspenison] have been recinded BUT the fine was increaded from $100,000 to $150,000.(3-5-2008)

[Combo]

Just confirmed on NASCAR Now.

[tpgn00]

Jayski wasn't going to post it at first but I told him the twitter updates come directly from the team. Marty Schneider is at RGM headquarters and just confirmed it on NASCAR Now.

[Combo]

Love the RG hauler behind Marty during the whole show!

[tpgn00]

Yeah that's cool. So I guess RG's going to be around for a while. A small part of me wishes he would go back to open wheel. Especially now that CART and Indy are back together.

[DSRacing]

Good to hear, where does that put him in the points standings? I haven't kept up on where he sat after his 42nd place finish at Vegas.

[tpgn00]

Should move him up to 21st

[Hemp]

bitchen

I think I read that he will be 21st in the standings now instead of 37th after vegas

[tpgn00]

He'll jump in front of the other Gordon in the standings

[Combo]

Just had a good long interview with RG on NASCAR Now.

[RacingOne]

Picked up 16 places and 100 Points.

[firedog]

WHOOO, HOOO, good job RG on fighting this one! Thank you NASCAR for realizing that you made a mistake and correcting it! Gas On!

[RacingOne]

Commission gives Robby Gordon points back
by Lee Spencer

The National Stock Car Commission has overruled the penalty levied against Robby Gordon after the Daytona 500 and have reinstated the 100 driver/owner points NASCAR fined him after discovering the nose on the No. 7 Dodge had not yet been approved.

Crew chief Frank Kerr will also be allowed to remain at the track as the Commission dismissed his six-race suspension as well. However, the monetary fine against the team was raised from $100,000 to $150,000.
"I think it was fair to be honest with you," said Kerr, after the four-and-a-half-hour hearing. "It just proves that the system does work, and I'm happy with the results."

The additional 100 points raises Gordon's position in the standings to 21st and keeps him well within the Top 35 in the owners standings. That position is crucial because the top 35 teams in the owner standings are guaranteed a starting position every race, regardless of where they qualify.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/7878008/Commission-gives-Robby-Gordon-points-back

It's Offical!!!!

[michael_loomis]

sooo does the fact that there is still a penalty via the 150k mean that we can still see him run the double... pretty please.. :D

[RacingOne]

Robby Gordon Motorsports Statement

The following is a statement from Robby Gordon regarding today’s decision by the National Stock Car Racing Commission restoring his 100 owner and driver points as well as reversing the six-week suspension of crew chief Frank Kerr. The commission did increase the fine from $100,000 to $150,000. Gordon is now 21st in driver points.

Robby Gordon:

“We see this as good news. We are grateful the commissioners rescinded the points penalty and suspension but disappointed by the fine. Still, we see this as a victory for Robby Gordon Motorsports. We feel like justice was done and appreciate NASCAR creating a system that allowed us to take our appeal to the National Stock Car Racing Commission. Now we plan to put this issue behind us and concentrate on making the “Chase” in 2008 as well as getting the Jim Beam Dodge into victory lane. I want to thank the thousands of fans and our sponsors who have supported us through this episode and want everyone of you to know how much we appreciate all that you have done. Our goal is to be a model team in the future and never go through something like this again.“

Robby will be available for media interviews Friday at noon at the back of the No. 7 hauler.

[RacingOne]

NASCAR Penalty Update

On March 5, 2008, the National Stock Car Racing Commission heard and considered the appeal of Robby Gordon Motorsports regarding the #7 car. The appeal concerned three penalties issued by NASCAR following opening day inspection on February 8, 2008 for the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series event at Daytona International Speedway.

The infractions concerned Section 12-4-A of the NASCAR Rule Book “Actions detrimental to stock car racing”; Section 12-4-Q “Any determination by NASCAR Officials that the car, car parts, components, and/or equipment used in the Event do not conform to NASCAR rules” and Section 20-3.1-A: “Unapproved front bumper cover.”

The penalties assessed were:

Loss of 100 NASCAR Sprint Cup Series Championship Car Owner Points for car owner Robby Gordon.
Loss of 100 NASCAR Sprint Cup Series Championship Driver Points for driver Robby Gordon.
$100,000.00 fine; suspension from NASCAR for the next six (6) NASCAR Sprint Cup Series Championship Events; suspension from NASCAR until April 9, 2008, and probation until December 31, 2008 for crew chief, Frank Kerr.
The Appellants argued that the bumper cover was installed as delivered from the manufacturer, that it did not provide a competition advantage since it was discovered prior to being allowed on the racetrack, and that the bumper met the templates. The Appellants also argued against the severity of the penalties.

In deliberating, the Commission considered several factors. The bumper cover constituted an obvious rules infraction and the Appellants did not contest the legality of the part.

The Commission notes and reaffirms the following fundamental principal which is vital to maintaining the integrity of the sport: Regardless of the source of an unapproved part on a racecar, the race team that officially enters the car in a NASCAR race is ultimately accountable for that racecar’s conformance, or non-conformance, to the rules.

However, the Commission believes that the facts presented during the hearing represented an extraordinary and unusual set of circumstances. While this does not excuse the infraction, the National Stock Car Racing Commission has decided to reinstate the car owner and driver championship points, lift the suspension, and increase the fine.

For the crew chief, Frank Kerr, the penalty is increased to $150,000 and he remains on probation through Dec. 31, 2008.

The Appellants have the right under Section 15 of the Rule Book to appeal this decision to the National Stock Car Racing Commissioner.

Doug Fritz
Bud Moore
George Silbermann, Chairman

[DEZERTBOUND]

sooo does the fact that there is still a penalty via the 150k mean that we can still see him run the double... pretty please.. :D

Robby's IRL budget......

[kaw500]

I'm glad to see NASCAR made the right call, still a little surprised.

Great thread

On to ATL

[randy s]

their [nascars'] drugs must have worn off.it just proves for sure that nascar has always loved rg. they always play favorites to the teams that kiss their butts. quack. kidding aside, after carls fine, i was expecting the worse. this fine bs is getting old. back to racing pleeze. gas on.

[michael_loomis]

Robby's IRL budget......


atleast he wont run out of gas! :)

Now lets see what the appeals board does for cousin carl. Being his is post race, it should stick, but we'll see..

[RGFan]

Well, with RG back up to 21st I looked to see where he would be if he only had a top 20 last week......He would be 11th in points. So, with the new cars, RG just needs to concentrate on top15-20's to be in the hunt. With Carpentier landing a new full time primary, it will be interesting to see where Valvoline goes......, maybe a part time primary for RG. I do not know if it is legitimate to even think about RG realistically making the chase this season, but I sure think it is realistic to see him make the top 20 at season's end.

[Brandon Johnson]

Damn, I haven't been on all day and had to read too many pages to see that NASCAR did the right thing. I don't know about the $$$$ fine but in the long run I am sure the points are way more important.

[Jerry B]

Here my reactions to the verdict

They are still thieving bastards on the fine for the crew chief, Frank Kerr, the penalty is increased to $150,000 and he remains on probation through Dec. 31, 2008

Good going Gordon

[AZBadseed]

does this mean that 50K buys 100 points??

congrats RG on the appeal.

[OffroadExit]

Robby Gordon won a victory with NASCAR and Carl Edwards got a stiff penalty.

[FlyHiFlyLo]

We can all thank Rob Harris and Jim Beam for the media frezey that rectified this. No other team in NASCAR has the balls to publicly rattle the sheeit out of NASCAR.

[BCG1]

I actually think that NASCAR made good decision on this appeal. Since it is the team's and really the crew chief's responsibility to ensure the car is "right" before inspection, the crew chief was fined. A lot. This sends the message that the COT needs to meet the rules. Now a points penalty should reflect how a particular infraction could effect the outcome of a race since it is competition related. Since everybody knows that Robby's infraction would not result in a competitive advantage, NASCAR did the right thing by not taking ay points away.

[btshannon]

Great news for Robby and all his fans!!!



(I am still done with NASCAR though.....F1 begins in Australia on the 16th)

[Bricoop]

Robby stated in a video on his website that the appeal took 4 hours. Props to his Lawyer too.

[Jack]

Why haven't they updated the standings?
They droped Edwards, but have not given back Robby's yet.

[RacingOne]

Well another record day for Robby, he now has the Biggest Fine in Nascar History, other things that Robby has been given credit for, racing back to the yellow, the lucky dog, dropping a foam roll bar out the widow, perfected the art of throwing a helmet at a race car and swearing on national tv.

[Bricoop]

Just had a good long interview with RG on NASCAR Now.

For those of you who missed it(including myself) here it is:

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3278779&categoryId=2492290

[Chris Tobin]

For those of you who missed it(including myself) here it is:

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3278779&categoryId=2492290

Thanks for the post and link, I missed it too!

[bajafox]

Good article

http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/news;_ylt=Asr.yPf0ZEzJWzbWfahpm1rov7YF?slug=jb-gordonpoints030508&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[Tristar Racing]

Well another record day for Robby, he now has the Biggest Fine in Nascar History, other things that Robby has been given credit for, racing back to the yellow, the lucky dog, dropping a foam roll bar out the widow, perfected the art of throwing a helmet at a race car and swearing on national tv.

Racing back to the yellow and the lucky dog? I thought it was Jerry Nadeu almost hitting Dale Jarett that led to no racing back to the yellow?

And the foam thing, drivers have been doing that for years.

[FlyHiFlyLo]

And the foam thing, drivers have been doing that for years.


Yeah, but they never had a TV crew convict them....LOL