New King Shocks???

[bcampbell04]

as i was looking through some pictures from the CORR race last weekend, i noticed a few cars running these king shocks. the first time i saw them was a few weeks ago at the BITD terrible's town race here in vegas on a rhino. its appears to be a double/triple bypass with a coilover bottom. do they work well? why use them, save weight? how much are they?

[Bill]

Baja shops has been using them since 06 on their Hustler chassis

[ML8on]

They are known as the "coil-pass" shock.

I am not sure on the price, but they work good when you are only allowed 1 shock per wheel, or you are trying to save weight.

[AZ1000]

They are known as the "coil-pass" shock.

I am not sure on the price, but they work good when you are only allowed 1 shock per wheel, or you are trying to save weight.

Those would be awesome on a 1600 car:rolleyes:

[Hustler Concepts]

Those would be awesome on a 1600 car:rolleyes:


Yes they would be very cool, Maybe 1600x same chassis but no torsion and a coil-pass? or with an 1835cc?:rolleyes:


The Coil-pass is light in a few ways. Not only is it much lighter than a coil over and a bi-pass. It makes mounting the shock very easy and light wieght. Hey half the shock, half the material, and half the hardware to mount it.

[Matt D]

i have wanted to get these for my car, everyone i have talked to has loved them. if anyone finds out a real price i would like to know aswell

[Random Thoughts Racing]

Although not a new concept, most shocks I have seen of this type are Kings. It requires an abnormally long tube and shaft (;) ) compared to the travel yeild. The chassis needs to be designed and setup for this type of shock.

If I recall correctly Gavin Skilton has something like this on the front of the ridgeline that also works as a strut.

[jesusgatos]

That's pretty neat. Simple enough idea, but I hadn't seen it before.

[tanklenz]

Very clean, suprised that class 10 and the sand community have not started using these. I like the concept, very functional and simple.

[motochris]

Seems the main kicker is the length..as Joel mentioned. It's about 12" longer than a comparable coilover or bypass. That makes for a loooong shock on a long travel car.
I've heard some big prices for them...but I don't know for sure.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-7/269162/coil-pass.jpg

[ML8on]

Seems the main kicker is the length..as Joel mentioned. It's about 12" longer than a comparable coilover or bypass. That makes for a loooong shock on a long travel car.
That and it's about the same price as a coilover/bypass combo.

On an 8" travel shock, the coil pass is roughly 32" eve to eye, vs a traditional coilover/bypass at 24" eye to eye.

As far as pricing, a 2.0 8" travel coilpass would cost around $900 (w/springs) and are custom built to order.

The 2.0 8" travel coilover would cost around $490 (w/springs) and the 2.0 8" 2 tube bypass would cost around $475. ($965 total)

As I said before these shocks are good for bending the rules that require 1 shock per wheel. I don't think they would work out on long travel applications.

King built these for superbuggy and rhino applications primarily.

[BRINGTHERUCKUS]

those are really cool looking!

[shrek]

Back in 2003 when we were building the Turner Motorsports F-150.......Dave Turner and I came up with this shock design for the F-150. Dave asked Bilstein to do it and they said NO, from what I recall........and we went with standard coilovers......we had Bilsteins, Donahoes, and then finally Kings on the truck.....and we could only get the Kings to live on the truck........but I have been "dreaming" about this idea ever since, and am still convinced that this design is what the truck needed..........and still needs today........

At least now someone makes it..........Shrek's Shocks should have made it.

Shrek

[Bajated]

Why don't they run a larger diameter spring and hide the bypass tubes inside of it? With a ti spring you could have coils spaced far engough apart to adjust the bypass tubes and no extra weight, but it wouldn't package as tightly...

[redmist]

Or go internal bypasses.

[partybarge_pilot]

Why don't they run a larger diameter spring and hide the bypass tubes inside of it? With a ti spring you could have coils spaced far engough apart to adjust the bypass tubes and no extra weight, but it wouldn't package as tightly...


They all ready do, it's called a Revolution Racing shock.....

[Kritter]

Why don't they run a larger diameter spring and hide the bypass tubes inside of it? With a ti spring you could have coils spaced far engough apart to adjust the bypass tubes and no extra weight, but it wouldn't package as tightly...

Even with regular cr-si springs they would be in the $1000/spring range becuase they would need to be 4.5"+ ID and the weight would be HUGE. In ti...I dont know what they would weigh or cost but im sure cost would be rediculous. With that large of a spring like you said...packaging would be no bueno.

Its a cool shock for short to mid travel cars with the extra room.

[jesusgatos]

Good call McDonnell...

[redmist]

Why don't they run a larger diameter spring and hide the bypass tubes inside of it? With a ti spring you could have coils spaced far engough apart to adjust the bypass tubes and no extra weight, but it wouldn't package as tightly...

I'd place money on the spring shifting laterally and ripping off a bypass.
You would also have to forget spring staging as you couldnt run a collar close to the shock body.

I dont know about the revolution shock. But my Bunderson internal bypasses were a pain to maintain. They required constant servicing and had problems with the spring and ballbearing main shock valving. IE they kept on throwing the ballbearing into the spring and snapping the spring. Bits of spring would then get caught in the internal bypass tubes and score chunks out of the piston. The revolution may be a progression on this concept but I still think that with so many internal parts, so many cutouts in the piston for bypasses and frailty of the components it has to be nowhere near the reliability of a standard shim stack shock.