Steve Scaroni makes the Drudge Report

[Chris_Wilson]

There is a link to this story on Drudge Report right now.

http://beta.ph.news.yahoo.com/ap/20080527/twl-mexico-offshore-farming-1be00ca.html

http://www.drudgereport.com/

[charlie_brown]

That’s a lame cheap shot. To say he offer higher salary and still could not hire Americans to do the job. It took years to get the illegal’s here to do it, it will take some time to get the word out and to move the family’s to the locations for the work. Just because I hung a sing on the door for a while or put an add in the paper for a week or? Does not mean Americans don’t want to do it.

[dr shaw6]

Uh Oh! Here we go again!

[AzBajaman]

Uh Oh! Here we go again!


Need to grab some popcorn........I hear you........here we go again......

[Dezert Edge Racing]

Who wants soda??


NICK

[Sheaco]

A lil math:
est. 12,000,000 undocumented workers
$9.60 hr average
40 hr work week (I don't know if they work more)
are you sitting down? 4.6 Billion dollars in wages.

[Sheaco]

So, lets say that these workers send 75% home to Mexico. 1.2 Billion dollars that could be spent at the local stores and what not. This is money our economy needs.

[Sheaco]

When we have a Congress that is raising taxes to pay Salmon Fishermen for fish they didn't catch this year and a Pres. borrowing Billions to pay for a war nobody wants. The United States need every Dollar it can get.

[bajafox]

That’s a lame cheap shot. To say he offer higher salary and still could not hire Americans to do the job. It took years to get the illegal’s here to do it, it will take some time to get the word out and to move the family’s to the locations for the work. Just because I hung a sing on the door for a while or put an add in the paper for a week or? Does not mean Americans don’t want to do it.

This is not a shot at you by any means, but do you personally know any Americans that are willing and/or have applied for these jobs?


So, lets say that these workers send 75% home to Mexico. 1.2 Billion dollars that could be spent at the local stores and what not. This is money our economy needs.

Do you have a source where it says they send home 75%? I read an article that they are not sending nearly as much as they used to because of the cost of living here in the US, I think I even posted it somewhere before. When someone is making minimum wage, I highly doubt they can survive on 25% of their income, I can barely survive on 100% of middle income wages. (by that I mean my bills are paid, but the style of living and entertainment I used to enjoy just last year has nearly deminished)


When we have a Congress that is raising taxes to pay Salmon Fishermen for fish they didn't catch this year and a Pres. borrowing Billions to pay for a war nobody wants. The United States need every Dollar it can get.

Seems like Congress and the President at least have the power to change the billions spent on war and raising taxes, but no control over illegal immigration or getting American workers to apply for jobs that only illegal immigrants have no problem doing.

[Sheaco]

Bajafox, The 75% is from the hip. No source, I figure it would be a safe number to prove my point. So what you read would mean there is even more money being pumped into our economy by these undocumented workers. Undocumented workers are kinda of our Nations "dirty lil secret" and does anybody have a good solution to make it right for all involved.

[Sheaco]

At the end of the day we need cheap labor to get our products to market so that We as Americans don't have to pay too much for goods and services and Farmers and Business Owners can still make a profit. Who is willing to give in a little to make things right.

Question: Does the Goverment subsidies These Farmers that also do business in Mexico?

[charlie_brown]

Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie_brown
That’s a lame cheap shot. To say he offer higher salary and still could not hire Americans to do the job. It took years to get the illegal’s here to do it, it will take some time to get the word out and to move the family’s to the locations for the work. Just because I hung a sing on the door for a while or put an add in the paper for a week or? Does not mean Americans don’t want to do it.

This is not a shot at you by any means, but do you personally know any Americans that are willing and/or have applied for these jobs?

i understand it is not a cheap shot at me.
i do not know anybody that has applied for any of these jobs, but many years ago i did have family members work in the fields.
the way they were treated was rotten. now a days no one has applied because the jobs need to pay way more for someone to work it. they have enjoyed the cheap labors for so long. if you adjust for inflation from the 30's/40' they would have to pay more then there offering today. does that mean more at the store? yes, if that is what we want, then we will have to pay more at the store and may be Steve wont be able to afford a race team anymore. i not sure where it would go. but, if i have to follow the law of the land, then they should to. my wife and family came here legally. it took them 10 yrs before they were able to come here.

[Vtr_Racing]

I dont think this is what Cesar Chavez (RIP) envisioned what would come out his efforts.
While some feel its ok to outsource, Im not one of them nor am I fond of NAFTA or CAFTA.


The problem is that cheaper labor in Mexico often is offset by lower productivity and high training costs, especially when it comes to enforcing U.S. food-safety standards.

"The only thing that's cheaper down here is diesel fuel and the labor per day," Scaroni said. "My productivity is down 40 percent" from U.S. levels.

I found this comment interesting.

[bajafox]

Quote:
i understand it is not a cheap shot at me.
i do not know anybody that has applied for any of these jobs, but many years ago i did have family members work in the fields.
the way they were treated was rotten. now a days no one has applied because the jobs need to pay way more for someone to work it. they have enjoyed the cheap labors for so long. if you adjust for inflation from the 30's/40' they would have to pay more then there offering today. does that mean more at the store? yes, if that is what we want, then we will have to pay more at the store and may be Steve wont be able to afford a race team anymore. i not sure where it would go. but, if i have to follow the law of the land, then they should to. my wife and family came here legally. it took them 10 yrs before they were able to come here.

If they're treating them so badly, then why do people constantly put their lives in danger to cross the border and work these jobs?

This topic has been beaten to death on this board. I think Steve is doing what he needs to do, just like alot of us are and would do in his position

[fathead]

[QUOTE=bajafox;459399]If they're treating them so badly, then why do people constantly put their lives in danger to cross the border and work these jobs?

"This topic has been beaten to death on this board"................ This topic can't be beat to death until the problem is resolved one way or another..........

[racer951]

So, lets say that these workers send 75% home to Mexico. 1.2 Billion dollars that could be spent at the local stores and what not. This is money our economy needs.

I know several illegals very well. The one I know best brings home just under $3000/month, and pays $400 per month in rent. He sends $300-350 per month back to his wife and kids in Guerrero. Not much above 10%.

[BGRANT]

It's in all sorts of industries, not just farming. Have you seen many SoCal framing or drywall crews? The fact is that most americans do not want to do that kind of work in the fields. And every young american kid I see come looking for a job in the building industry thinks they already know everything and wants 25-30 an hour right off the bat.

[Chris_Wilson]

It's in all sorts of industries, not just farming. Have you seen many SoCal framing or drywall crews? The fact is that most americans do not want to do that kind of work in the fields. And every young american kid I see come looking for a job in the building industry thinks they already know everything and wants 25-30 an hour right off the bat.

I would agree with that. And on the topic of sending money back to Mexico, I'd believe 10% is much closer to reality than 75%.

To further stir the pot, how many of you believe the tomato salmonella issue is from Mexican produce?

[la2baja]

I would agree with the 10% going back to mexico at best. Existing here in the US with an hourly wage of $9.60? How many of you think you could pull that off and send $$ home?

As far as a scare is concerned (of any kind) I am sure of only one thing. The finger will always be pointed at the other guy. The guy doing things different. The guy causing contraversy. The guy in Mexico.

When Scarroni moved his operation to mexico not long ago there was a deal on here about it. The man made it very clear that he had spent more than a decade trying to improve legal immigration laws and getting his people permitted to cross the boarder legally. After many trips to the powers that be, he recieved no cooperation and was basically forced to move his operation where the workers were.
I don't know the Scarroni's but I know when someone goes beyond their call of duty to run a lagit bizz. (rare these days) and he did just that. He should be held in high regaurd.

[TyBo1001]

It's in all sorts of industries, not just farming. Have you seen many SoCal framing or drywall crews? The fact is that most americans do not want to do that kind of work in the fields. And every young american kid I see come looking for a job in the building industry thinks they already know everything and wants 25-30 an hour right off the bat.

I agree with this comment, I don't think they are taking away jobs... I think the bigger problem is that they go to the hospital and the tax payers end up paying for it. Their children go to the schools that we pay for and schools are falling even further behind because they are required to have english as a 2nd language programs. Those are the bigger issues, IMHO.

[bprater]

To further stir the pot, how many of you believe the tomato salmonella issue is from Mexican produce?

This is not a Mexico issue, although many are applying pressure to point the finger in that direction.

[AZ1000]

Question: Does the Goverment subsidies These Farmers that also do business in Mexico?

No, there are no farm subsidies for Produce Growers. Here or across the border.