Michigan I

[RGFan]

Man do I even dare ask where he will finish?

[woundedyak]

I would ask that over at Robot first. At lease here,you will get a much more positive answer.......Is a top 30 aiming to high?

[Chris Tobin]

As long as the engine holds together and he keeps it out of the fence a 20-something finish shouldn't be out of the question.

Michigan is wide and fast so there are plenty of racing lines to suit the handling of virtually any car... Even an RGM chassis, if he is running his own again.

I just hope (and will be happy if) he ends up with a lead lap finish!

[Tristar Racing]

Head turning weekend. Dont know if the finish will be there, but Im predicting big things.

Is that positive enough? :)

[RGFan]

Can I smoke what you guys are smoking.......I will be fervently hoping for a top 25.

[michael_loomis]

Top 15!!! here we go!

then a victory in Sonoma!!! you heard it here first folks!

[RacingOne]

Lead Lap Top 30 finish.

[fishd00d]

I am gona take Fly's job and say that they have a secret weapon for Michigan and it WILL get him a top 10 finish!

[RGFan]

I think your signature at the bottom is the perfect response for your statement:D

[b-makk]

As long as the track isn't flat, he should be able to pull out a top 42

[KB]

Can I smoke what you guys are smoking.......I will be fervently hoping for a top 25.

haha. definitely:D

[NicksTrix]

As long as the track isn't flat, he should be able to pull out a top 42

i'd hope so! stranger things have happened before though...

[brown_e]

All I hope to see out of RG at Michigan is a momentum building race, no 40's, no 30's, somthing good. So, he can roll into Sonoma, put on a show for the RDC'ers and pull out a victory (fingers crossed)!;)

[kaw500]

Top 20, hope, maybe, someday, lucky, unlucky, on 2nd thought top 40 seems a lot safer prediction.

[Tristar Racing]

Guys, keep faith.

Robby has had some decently quick cars as of late. He should have tested Pocono but didnt. So maybe Pocono was a throw-away race. Honestly, no matter what happens this week at Michigan Robby will still be in the top 35. He has a 77 point advantage on the #55 car in 36th spot. Last place finisher gets 34 points, meaning Robby would have to finish dead last and the #55 finish 17th or better to fall back that far, on top of the other 5 cars behind him also having great points days.

So that gets us to Sonoma in the top 35, where Robby should have a good run. In the end, anything can happen, but I dont think the reaction Pocono has created for RGM fans (especially over at Robot Uprising) is warranted.

Just my opinion. Oh yea, I still predict a top 15 finish at Michigan.

[michael_loomis]

got 13th last year in the ford. one lap down. RG knows how to get around Michigan fairly well. It seems that he like to ride the high line everywhere but Eldora, lol, so Michigan suits him.

[fishd00d]

Im telling ya guys they have a top secret weapon!! Just watch!

[RGFan]

Im telling ya guys they have a top secret weapon!! Just watch!

I have been hearing about top secret weapons since RGM got back into Cup in 2005. Every single one of them for not. Do not believe everything you hear or read

[fishd00d]

I have seen it personally!

[RGFan]

Most of us have at one time or another......Like I said, do not hold your breath......If it is a part, it has to meet the ok of Nascar. I know somebody who designed a tire air presure valve that maintained a constant air pressure at all times.....No need to wait for tire pressures to build up, no pressure fluctuations at speed. Pressure always remained the same within 1/20th of a pound. No external lines or air pumps necessary. It is a really neat piece and to be honest, to the naked eye, you would not be able to tell it was there. It was given to a team to use.......Nascar said no way. It is now being used by a dominant F1 team.

[michael_loomis]

isnt that what Burton got in trouble for?

[RGFan]

isnt that what Burton got in trouble for?

They were drilling holes in their wheels, very very tiny holes, but an attempt at the same end result

[michael_loomis]

hmm.. I seem to remember all the talk was about his and Harvicks valve stems.

[RGFan]

They were drilling holes, very small holes in the wheel, almost microscopic around the valve stems from what I remember. I know for a fact that the valve I was talking about was not given to RCR.

[RGFan]

I hope RG and team have a good weekend. The robots are really making a big deal out of the motors......I just do not see it as an issue.....Their handling is what sucks right now. They have to get those cars to handle. If they can get that figured out, everything else will come together IMO. It seemed like when they were letting the cars crab walk a little more (rear toe) his cars were doing a little better.

[michael_loomis]

speaking of C walking.. I noticed that alot of the cars were back to there old ways at poke a ho.. RG's wasnt.. probably scared to push any rules.

[RGFan]

speaking of C walking.. I noticed that alot of the cars were back to there old ways at poke a ho.. RG's wasnt.. probably scared to push any rules.

Yeah, I guess I should have finished my thought, they are doing it a little, but not nearly to the extreme that they once were. Nascrap said no mas after Charlotte. Those things reminded of the old school yota's with the crazy lift kits that were installed at home:D

[michael_loomis]

ya Dover they were good... but the straights at poke there were some that seemed way past the rules, I thought anyways... which makes sense, because when they tested there, NASCAR hadnt come down on everyone yet.

[Racer21(Roberto)]

if GEM is doing good, why isn't robby?

[michael_loomis]

different chassis, different driving style, new crew chief every 6 minutes, because the only right turn is out of his pit stall... should I go on?

[Tristar Racing]

It was ONE RACE! His car looked good at Lowes and Dover. Jeez...

[b-makk]

They were drilling holes, very small holes in the wheel, almost microscopic around the valve stems from what I remember. I know for a fact that the valve I was talking about was not given to RCR.

Still can't figure out why Nascar swept this under the rug and let Bob Dillner take the fall

[Racer21(Roberto)]

http://www.robbygordon.com/cms/publish/article_1110.shtml

hey, he's got a sponsor now. RVs.com. he finished 11th last time he had that sponsor.

i see good things in the future. we have infineon comming up along with daytona where he got his best finish of the year so far. :)

[Combo]

I think RG will have a good run this weekend.

On another note. I cant believe what has become of that uprising site. I was cool at first to get photos from there. Now it is Drama Central. People need to get a life!! Geezz!!!!

[kaw500]

Oddball "Kelly's Heros" said it best...

"Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?"

"Crazy! I mean like so many positive waves maybe we can't lose! You're on!"

Somehow I still think he will need a car that handles...

[Racer21(Roberto)]

oh, sorry, i think we have the best time of the season comming up.

i forgot about New hampshire.

this is what i predict.
michigan: top 15
infineon: win
new hampshire: top 5 or win
daytona: top 5 or win.
chicago: top 20
indianapolis: top 10
pocono: top 15
Watkins glen: win

my prediction for the next 8 races. he'll get a win sometime in the next 2 months.

[RGFan]

It was ONE RACE! His car looked good at Lowes and Dover. Jeez...

Be honest, he only looked GOOD at Daytona and Talladega. To me looking good is being competetive for the entire race and finishing in a respectable position, not having a good car for 30 laps after falling 2 laps down. I have to agree though, what is going on at the other site is insane. Do some of those people even work?:D Hopefully Michigan is better and hopefully he can close the deal at Infineon

[Racer21(Roberto)]

Be honest, he only looked GOOD at Daytona and Talladega. To me looking good is being competetive for the entire race and finishing in a respectable position, not having a good car for 30 laps after falling 2 laps down.

he did lead some green flag laps at talladega. but than again so did micheal waltrip......

[Hemp]

I predict somewhere close to 20th. Hopefully somewhere below it

[bajafox]

Top 43 for sure this weekend

[Chris Tobin]

Top 43 for sure this weekend

Man, you nailed it!!! How do you get that kind of accuracy in your predictions????

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[michael_loomis]

lets see that kind of smart assed comment if RG moves outside of the top 35! :D:D

[RGFan]

We already heard the frustration in RG's voice last season where he would consider going to drive for somebody else if the "right situation" came along. I think falling out of the top 35 would be a huge blow to his ego and may just be the catalyst necessary to make him go and drive for a contender, while keeping RGM open in some capacity.

[Chris Tobin]

We already heard the frustration in RG's voice last season where he would consider going to drive for somebody else if the "right situation" came along. I think falling out of the top 35 would be a huge blow to his ego and may just be the catalyst necessary to make him go and drive for a contender, while keeping RGM open in some capacity.

My guess is that the "right situation" would involve the 7 remaining in the top 35 and being valuable to the "Owner" he would be going to drive for...

As an example if RCR wants to have a top 35 for their 4th car they could by RGs 7 and bring RG in to drive it. That would give them four cars in the top 35 and add another great driver to their stable!

That is just an example but wouldn't it be AWESOME or maybe even SICK to see RG back in an RCR car contending for wins on a regular basis and even making the chase!?!?!?!?!?!:D:D:D:D:D

[NIKAL]

This is funny as hell!

http://www.frontstretch.com/jmeyer/17441/

Top Ten Signs Michael Waltrip Racing May Be In Financial Trouble
Jeff Meyer · Wednesday June 11, 2008

10. Mikey was recently spotted purchasing auto parts at Advanced because they have “some really good deals!”

9. All shipping needs at MWR are now handled by DHL — because they are the cheapest.

8. DW was recently banned from the shop to cut down on air conditioning costs.

7. Local car dealership rents the MWR employee parking lot to host their annual “Big Tent Sale.”

6. “I was there…” fan reports Michael bought 56 dollars worth of “regular” unleaded gasoline instead of “premium” last night.

5. Mikey and “I was there” fan agree to carpool from now on.

4. Entire catering needs at the annual MWR Employee Appreciation Day were handled by a three foot party sub from Subway. (and Mikey took home the leftovers)

3. Michael’s been spending more time with Buffy and not “other girls.”

2. Michael is presented with a “sign” by Bill Engvall after Bill was approached about investing in the MWR operation.

1. An investigation shows that amazingly, the only people to have ever been turned down for a rent to own agreement at Aaron’s are also MWR employees.

[michael_loomis]

That is just an example but wouldn't it be AWESOME or maybe even SICK to see RG back in an RCR car contending for wins on a regular basis and even making the chase!?!?!?!?!?!:D:D:D:D:D

that would be TOTALLY BODACIOUS BRO!! hehe especially since RG was the winningest driver at RCR during his time there...

[RGFan]

that would be TOTALLY BODACIOUS BRO!! hehe especially since RG was the winningest driver at RCR during his time there...

We have been talking about this theory for what, 3 years now:D

[b-makk]

5 pages before the race even started??!! You'd think Michigan was a road course

[Tristar Racing]

Did anyone see that FlyHiFlyLows post about remaing positive about RGM on Robot Uprising was included on the main page of RobbyGordon.com?

Just noticed this...

http://www.robbygordon.com/cms/publish/index.shtml

[RGFan]

He has officially become a robot:D

[RGFan]

DO not plan on good weather at Michigan this weekend, I work for a company across the lake to the west in Milwaukee and they are still having rain/thunderstorms. tornado activity and flooding. The storm is blowing slowly east northeast

[RGFan]

First practice just started, AJ Dingdonglicker is looking quick again at 18th

[RGFan]

POS must be running the sterno again...He is second in practice

[Tristar Racing]

POS must be running the sterno again...He is second in practice

Typically he is decent at MIS, wasnt this the first race he qualified for after the Daytona 500 last year? I think got a top 10, either way. Well that, plus Im sure its an all-out qualifying setup on that car...

Robbys car is 23rd, only has run 4 laps. Not too bad, hopefully he continues to move up.

[RGFan]

I would not say he is decent their typically, he had an 11th and 18th their for starts last year and a finish of 40th and 10th, pretty hit or miss.....even a broken clock is correct two times a day;)

[Tristar Racing]

I would not say he is decent their typically, he had an 11th and 18th their for starts last year and a finish of 40th and 10th, pretty hit or miss.....even a broken clock is correct two times a day;)

The fact he qualified for both events to me is good for him, haha.

Robby up to 22nd after running two more laps, good stuff.

[b-makk]

I couldn't believe it last year. POS misses every race of the year up until Michigan and then he goes out there and lays down a top 10.

[Combo]

Watch it rain for qualifying and POS has to go home!!!!

[b-makk]

Watch it rain for qualifying and POS has to go home!!!!

Sadly, he'd still be in

[RGFan]

Yes, unfortunately he would. Ther are only 45 qualifiers today, along with the fact that he is just outside the top 35 in 36th.

[RGFan]

Sadler and Kahne fast again today.......CRAP!!!!!!RG up to 4th in qualifying trim:D

[fishd00d]

RG upto 4th. What did I say about a secret weapon :)

[RGFan]

You guys know qualifying is going to get rained out today, right?

[RGFan]

RG upto 4th. What did I say about a secret weapon :)

It was in qualifying trim.....He was mediocre in race trim....He will end up starting 30th today....Still nice to see

[fishd00d]

It dosent look that way. Look at the skies I dont see any clouds and qualifying is in about 2 hours!

[RGFan]

Down to 8th quick in about 2 minutes

[RGFan]

It dosent look that way. Look at the skies I dont see any clouds and qualifying is in about 2 hours!

Look at the weather report, 80% chance of thunder storms and a possible tornado warning later on in the day, they were just talking about dark clouds coming their way on tv as well

[fishd00d]

Aw ya must be moving in quick. Maybe they will get er done before it hits!

[RGFan]

http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?site=DTX&map.x=151&map.y=254


80% chance of severe thunderstorms....Typical Robby luck.....Man, he is down to 12th, a hell of a lot better then 36th fastest, but a ways off form 4th

[michael_loomis]

dark clouds?? just you buddy! we need to find a way to get your glass half full!

yes.. i know.. here comes the realist comment.. but the fact is... even if your glass is half empty.. there is still a half a glass there either way!!!

HALF FULL HALF FULL ! not half empty! :D

[Combo]

I would rather have qualifying rained out this weekend then next weekend!

[Tristar Racing]

How do we know this is qualifying trim?

[michael_loomis]

look at it this way.. he was 23rd in race trim while others were runnin around in qualifying trim..

at the very least, if they start based on points, he has a decent car instead of a car that belongs in the back, thus they will work there late race magic alot earlier this week! and BAM! blown en... JUST KIDDING !!! HAHA..

lets hear it for a top 15 or better!

[fishd00d]

Back upto 3rd!!

[michael_loomis]

I would rather have qualifying rained out this weekend then next weekend!

ok.. ENOUGH OF THAT SIR!!!!

[Tristar Racing]

Can everyone agree there was major over-reaction to Pocono?

Before Walter, RGM was only in the top 10 of speed charts at the plate tracks and road courses. He did it at Darlington, and possibly here at Michigan.

[RGFan]

dark clouds?? just you buddy! we need to find a way to get your glass half full!

yes.. i know.. here comes the realist comment.. but the fact is... even if your glass is half empty.. there is still a half a glass there either way!!!

HALF FULL HALF FULL ! not half empty! :D

I wish I could smoke what you are smoking Loomis:D Just read the weather report

[b-makk]

Can everyone agree there was major over-reaction to Pocono?

Before Walter, RGM was only in the top 10 of speed charts at the plate tracks and road courses. He did it at Darlington, and possibly here at Michigan.

The reason why I'm still mad about Pocono is because he didn't send his team to test.

[fishd00d]

RG 3rd and its over for now. Just watch the secret weapon seems to be working well I would say :)

[RGFan]

I'm not betting on any secret weapons unless they were Robby and a couple of very big men walking into Evernham's and Gillette's office early this week for a "little talk" about info sharing;)

[fishd00d]

Trust me its going to be good :) And ya its kinda weird that him and the 19 are right at about the same time isnt it??? ;)

[RGFan]

Trust me its going to be good :) And ya its kinda weird that him and the 19 are right at about the same time isnt it??? ;)

Not wierd at all, they are teammates so to speak. Sharing info seems to help from time to time. I actually expected to see him and the GEM cars run like this on a more regular basis. I heard they are running a GEM chassis this weekend again after the disaster last weekend. Hopefully it continues

[kaw500]

Trust me its going to be good :) And ya its kinda weird that him and the 19 are right at about the same time isnt it??? ;)

You guys are killing me, don't you all have jobs that require attendance on Friday?

Oh yeah keep the updates coming:)

[RGFan]

Yeah, I am doing an 8 hour training CD. It may be a 16 hour training CD by the time I am done, messing around with this stuff and all

[RGFan]

After this weekend, POS racing will be back to having two cars out of the top 35 more then likely...The 00 is in 33rd and like 23 points above.

[b-makk]

After this weekend, POS racing will be back to having two cars out of the top 35 more then likely...The 00 is in 33rd and like 23 points above.

I think POS will score a top 25 this weekend and knock the 00 out of the top 35. Double-edged sword.

[michael_loomis]

Michigan has always been a Pro-RG track. (for the most part). RG was never the same at poke, since they stopped shifting.

therefore Im not drawing ANY conclusions about anything except, this weekend and next should be good!

[RGFan]

Michigan has always been a Pro-RG track. (for the most part). RG was never the same at poke, since they stopped shifting.

therefore Im not drawing ANY conclusions about anything except, this weekend and next should be good!

Yeah, RG has usually been solid at Michigan.....Sonoma worries me a little. He is always fast but does not usually close the deal at Sonoma, usually for reasons which are out of his control (trans/shifter/fuel mileage/crappy teammates). I hope he can put it all together next weekend.

[spalind]

All this "secret weapon" talk...is this the same secret weapon that Fly was talking about?? RGM and Gillette officially merge now?? Is that the "secret"?

[RGFan]

All this "secret weapon" talk...is this the same secret weapon that Fly was talking about?? RGM and Gillette officially merge now?? Is that the "secret"?

I have lost track of all of the "Secret Weapons"....There have been so many the past few years....I know there was some legal mumbo jumbo still being worked out with the RGM/GEM deal, nothing bad or serious, just some fine print to work out. Maybe RG is "In" now. I did hear they were running a GEM chassis this weekend. Regardless, it is nice to see. Hopefully the weather will hold out.

[michael_loomis]

So, I'm thinkin Gillette traded RGM some oval chassis, with A team setup for some road course chassis, and some driving lessons. :)

Also, did anyone notice the kid like smiles, like " neener neener " when RG and ESad were on trackside last week talking about the "fuel mileage" testing? Robby, looked like he stole something and got away with it.. lol

[RGFan]

Looking pretty gloomy on Speed Channel right now...It is Friday, so it must be RG's lucky cloud coming to pay him a visit (lol)...And the water that falls on them will be from the glass that is half full (lmao)...:D

[michael_loomis]

sweet!! we could USE some optimism around here! AND at RGM. lol

speaking of optimism, how this...

after reading the desert racing thread and revealing my user ID# (171)... its a sign!

the 7 sandwhiched in between a couple of 1's !! and its Friday the 13th.. my lucky day!

First this weekend.. first next weekend..

[RGFan]

Hey 13 was RG's car number with his first stint in nascrap as an owner/driver, although he only finished 17 races before running out of money........On second thought, lets not use that example

[RGFan]

reports of rain on the track, still qualifying......Check that, qualifying red flagged for rain.....

[Ryan_P]

So, I'm thinkin Gillette traded RGM some oval chassis, with A team setup for some road course chassis, and some driving lessons. :)

Ding ding ding!

Either GEM traded them chassis', or they told RGM how to build them, which sounds more reasonable. Either way, a damn fast race car.

[RGFan]

Ding ding ding!

Either GEM traded them chassis', or they told RGM how to build them, which sounds more reasonable. Either way, a damn fast race car.

They have had GEM chassis all along, part of their deal..... they chose to run RGM chassis a few weeks ago. Heard that they were running a GEM chassis this week again. GEM has provided support to show RGM how to build their chassis as well for long term.

[RGFan]

Looks like they have lost the track

[Tristar Racing]

Oh well. Two practices tomorrow to build on that race setup...

[Bricoop]

Look at it this way. He was 23rd quick in race trim when most others were in qualifying setups. Should be a fun weekend. *knock*knock*

[NIKAL]

They have had GEM chassis all along, part of their deal..... they chose to run RGM chassis a few weeks ago. Heard that they were running a GEM chassis this week again. GEM has provided support to show RGM how to build their chassis as well for long term.

I had asked a technical question over on RUR and Chris Thompson sent me a message telling me that RGM currently has about 12-14 compete cars and only a few were GEM chassis. Most are RGM cars as they started building their fleet way before the GEM deal ever happened. He said RGM buys their chassis and then finishes them in house. He said surprisingly and because of the tight tolerances NASCAR has put on these COT cars that the RGM chassis and the GEM chassis are not that far off. He said they have learned allot by working with the GEM cars and are able to incorporate some of that info into the newer cars their putting together. He said that he expects that RGM will get more GEM cars in the future, but that they will have to use up the inventory they have right now before they buy more cars.

Another thing I had heard was that even though these cars seem more durable on the track, they are actually not as rebuildable as the old car was. NASACR makes each team get each chassis certified and chipped before they can use them. The tolerances NASCAR has placed on these chassis makes it hard to repair them. Everytime you replace a front of rear clip you must have them re-inspected and tagged. And because of the tolerance sometimes you cant always get the tubes back where then need to be. Sometimes its easier and cheaper to build a new chassis then it is to try to re-straiten the damaged one and add a new clip. So if you wreck enough cars you could use up 12-14 cars quickly.

[Tristar Racing]

Look at it this way. He was 23rd quick in race trim when most others were in qualifying setups. Should be a fun weekend. *knock*knock*

I completely agree. Some might not think 23rd fastest was decent. Look at the averages, he had a pretty quick car.

Tomorrows first practice session should be a good indicator....

[RGFan]

I had asked a technical question over on RUR and Chris Thompson sent me a message telling me that RGM currently has about 12-14 compete cars and only a few were GEM chassis. Most are RGM cars as they started building their fleet way before the GEM deal ever happened. He said RGM buys their chassis and then finishes them in house. He said surprisingly and because of the tight tolerances NASCAR has put on these COT cars that the RGM chassis and the GEM chassis are not that far off. He said they have learned allot by working with the GEM cars and are able to incorporate some of that info into the newer cars their putting together. He said that he expects that RGM will get more GEM cars in the future, but that they will have to use up the inventory they have right now before they buy more cars.

Another thing I had heard was that even though these cars seem more durable on the track, they are actually not as rebuildable as the old car was. NASACR makes each team get each chassis certified and chipped before they can use them. The tolerances NASCAR has placed on these chassis makes it hard to repair them. Everytime you replace a front of rear clip you must have them re-inspected and tagged. And because of the tolerance sometimes you cant always get the tubes back where then need to be. Sometimes its easier and cheaper to build a new chassis then it is to try to re-straiten the damaged one and add a new clip. So if you wreck enough cars you could use up 12-14 cars quickly.

I heard something very similar;)

[RGFan]

Starting 30th on Sunday

[Tristar Racing]

And in true RGM fashion, the speed they had in the last practice is gone, 33rd thus far in practice...

[RGFan]

RG's fastest lap is almost Kahne's slowest...The only bright side of this I see, is today is sunny and warmer, tomorrow is supposed to be cloudy again and cooler, much like Friday.

[michael_loomis]

its like all the other teams go and make major changes, and RGM says ahhhh were good.. lol.. that or they went the wrong way.. got last weeks sadler notes.

[Tristar Racing]

Well after those two practices, looks like RGM will be starting 30th, and hanging around 30th. So confusing after showing speed yesterday.

[NIKAL]

MUST watch Michigan ARCA race on Speed TV at 2:30 PST today! Speed does not show it listed, but I was told it will be on after the truck race! This race was delayed due to the rain and the race was tape delayed. So the race is over and if you really need to know who won! You can go to www.arcaracing.com and you can watch the interview video with the winner and Ryan Newman is there speaking with Donny Allison on how well the winner did.

www.arcaracing.com
http://www.arcaracing.com/videos.cfm?mediaid=812

Hooo! Hooo! Congradulations!!!!

[fishd00d]

They are saving the secret weapon for race day....dont give up yet!

[Tristar Racing]

They are saving the secret weapon for race day....dont give up yet!

But then tomorrow your going to say they are saving it for another race, haha. It never ends! Thats why its fun

[RGFan]

They are saving the secret weapon for race day....dont give up yet!

Dude, LOL!!!!! Never Mind:D You remind me of myself 10 years ago...Even if they do have "another secret weapon", for every one we have, Roush, Hendrick and Gibbs have 10 more secret weapons each

[AllwaysRcn]

MUST watch Michigan ARCA race on Speed TV at 2:30 PST today! Speed does not show it listed, but I was told it will be on after the truck race! This race was delayed due to the rain and the race was tape delayed. So the race is over and if you really need to know who won! You can go to www.arcaracing.com and you can watch the interview video with the winner and Ryan Newman is there speaking with Donny Allison on how well the winner did.

www.arcaracing.com
http://www.arcaracing.com/videos.cfm?mediaid=812

Hooo! Hooo! Congradulations!!!!


Nice job Justin! After the disappointing crash last week at Pocono (while going for the win), this is a well deserved win.

[racer951]

RG's fastest lap is almost Kahne's slowest...The only bright side of this I see, is today is sunny and warmer, tomorrow is supposed to be cloudy again and cooler, much like Friday.

scratch that...sunny today with a high in the low 80's! Supposed to hit 57 with T-storms at night though.

Edit: TNT just contradicted me, so we'll see. Looks like clouds are there.

[woundedyak]

Does anyone know of a place to watch the race on the internet beside track pass. No power or cable here.

[RGFan]

scratch that...sunny today with a high in the low 80's! Supposed to hit 57 with T-storms at night though.

Edit: TNT just contradicted me, so we'll see. Looks like clouds are there.

Scratch that........As I stated, mostly cloudy, 50% chance of severe thunderstorms;) Look at the radar, a big mess coming their way, severe thunderstorms and flood warnings from Indiana to Wisconsin and over Lake Michigan


http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Brooklyn&state=MI&site=GRR&textField1=42.1055&textField2=-84.2487&e=0

[kaw500]

Does anyone know of a place to watch the race on the internet beside track pass. No power or cable here.

Check FOXSPORTS RACETRAX.

I have been using NOL Pitcommand & listing on MRN via the net out in the garage the last couple of races. Just too much to do and I feel guilty if I sit in a chair all afternoon and my chores don't get done.

How's the water level where you live??

[woundedyak]

Thanks Kaw500, I'm on racebuddy through TNT. Seems to be pretty cool and it's Free! So far. The waters are starting to go down a little. Pretty amazing to see peoples homes 90% underwater just a few homes away. I'm good so far. If it decides to rain again and we get just a couple more inches I will probably be in trouble. So far so good thou! Thanks for asking!

[RGFan]

Thanks Kaw500, I'm on racebuddy through TNT. Seems to be pretty cool and it's Free! So far. The waters are starting to go down a little. Pretty amazing to see peoples homes 90% underwater just a few homes away. I'm good so far. If it decides to rain again and we get just a couple more inches I will probably be in trouble. So far so good thou! Thanks for asking!

Hang in there man......Fricken weather sucks, you all have recieved alot of it lately and it looks like it is not done. If you need some sun light for a few days, we have a guest room here in AZ, 112 today.

[RGFan]

RG marking pit speed/rpm, running down check list, starting 30th...Looks sunny now, but rain on the way according to NWS...Here we go green green green

[RGFan]

RG up to 21st

[RGFan]

To 18th...yellow

[racer951]

wow...looking good! Hopefully they can keep up with changing conditions but positive start for sure

[fishd00d]

Robby "Hell of a start, real good and neutral"

The secret weapon is working so far! :)

[Combo]

He must be using that secret weapon!!!

[kaw500]

Secret weapon!!! heck yeah up to 18th he even sounds happy on radio. Not thrilled with JPM

[RGFan]

Secret weapon? heck yeah up to 18th he even sounds happy on radio. Not thrilled with JPM

Figure that... green

[firedog]

now tight...

[RGFan]

SO much for secret weapons...tight tight tight

[RGFan]

AJ Dingdonglicker in 29th

[RGFan]

"Way to tight, gone to complete shiot".......Sorry Fishd00d, welcome to the club of false hope......We have all been there man;)

[fishd00d]

It'll come back just wait. Just have to adjust the weapon.

[RGFan]

It'll come back just wait. Just have to adjust the weapon.

26th and falling fast......Your to much man, I have some beach property in Arizona if you are interested too:D

[RGFan]

29th and falling, Dingdonglicker up to 21st....RG asking for Big Big changes

[woundedyak]

Maybe he realized that the secret weapon worked and he's saving for the end in case it's a rain out?

[Ryan_P]

Well that went from good to bad in a hurry.

[racer951]

30th...wtf. Need caution!

[fishd00d]

Damn should have picked the 83 instead of the 28 on my RDC list this week lol

[woundedyak]

I think something broke,he is way off the pace

[kaw500]

YUCK secret weapon fell off

[fishd00d]

The secret weapon might have fallen off....

[woundedyak]

dam,the 83 is coming in a hurry

[kaw500]

Is that the new Dodge brick

[woundedyak]

Also,watch for that #17 and 99 car to be thier in the end

[RGFan]

Those damned secret weapons, they always let us down, Has one even worked yet:D

[RGFan]

Get ready for a yellow, the 40 is smoking bad.....Maybe just wishful thinking

[RGFan]

Leader on pit road....RG pitting next time by

[woundedyak]

Don't count out Dale Jr!

[RGFan]

Rg ready to go a lap down

[racer951]

just got lapped...

[fishd00d]

Uh oh the secret weapon might have still been on there but it was a faulty tire!!!

[RGFan]

Great Secret Weapon.."Im so loose I can not even drive it now, Im going to wreck". This secret weapon seems to be working like all the others.......LIKE SHIOT!....That was the first time I have ever heard RG sound scared..."Whatever you did, it turned me into a sprint car"

Another long day

[woundedyak]

Wow, if you could win a championship racing for the lucky dogg. RG would lock that up really quick

[kaw500]

Time to switch over to Golf, did i really say that?

[fishd00d]

Tiger dosent tee off for another hour and half....

[RGFan]

Tiger dosent tee off for another hour and half....

I hope he does not have one of your "secret weapons":D

[kaw500]

Tiger dosent tee off for another hour and half....

True but another 1-1/2 hour of this race might not be real fun for fans of the #7:D

"no grip at the rear" The first 4 laps were good.

[RGFan]

36th and falling

[kaw500]

I hope he does not have one of your "secret weapons":D

LOL I think even Woods could over come that.

[RGFan]

Did you guys just see RG on TV, rear end kicked out, steering wheel at 3 o'clock

[RGFan]

The only positive I can see about this.........At this pace RGM should be done with it's nascar operation by the chase, so RG can get a legit ride next season.

[woundedyak]

Booooorrrrring

[woundedyak]

The only positive I can see about this.........At this pace RGM should be done with it's nascar operation by the chase, so RG can get a legit ride next season.

Question is.....Do you think someone would hire/put up with him?

[fishd00d]

lol there is no secret weapon I just wanted to stir crap up since Fly isnt here to say there was a secret weapon :)

Tiger dosent need a secret weapon, he is just THAT GOOD!

[RGFan]

Question is.....Do you think someone would hire/put up with him?
In a second

[RGFan]

lol there is no secret weapon I just wanted to stir crap up since Fly isnt here to say there was a secret weapon :)


Tiger dosent need a secret weapon, he is just THAT GOOD!

You do not have to change your toon to save face with us Fish, We just need to change your name to SUCKER:D

[kaw500]

lol there is no secret weapon I just wanted to stir crap up since Fly isnt here to say there was a secret weapon :)

Tiger dosent need a secret weapon, he is just THAT GOOD!

Just when I started to belive

[RGFan]

Finally, a caution....See, the secret weapon worked, RG threw the bud can out of the window LOL

[RGFan]

back to green

[RGFan]

Damned, RG came out fast, has gained 4 spots....Now, can he maintain

[RGFan]

Car back to tight

[fishd00d]

You think if I really believed there was a secret weapon I might have put him on my fantasy list this week lol

RG- "WTF is going on with our sheet"

[RGFan]

"What the F is going on with our shiot"?

[kaw500]

Car back to tight

And I think he is really unhappy. Radio call is now rated R

[RGFan]

You think if I really believed there was a secret weapon I might have put him on my fantasy list this week lol

RG- "WTF is going on with our sheet"

It's ok man, no need to lie:D:D

[RGFan]

Rcr...rcr

[kaw500]

"What the F is going on with our shiot"?

Frustration, so much effort so little results

[RGFan]

there is a reason as to why there are not any more successful owner/drivers

[fishd00d]

Into the wall DONE

[RGFan]

the 6 just punted the 7....."Were Done" I think that kicks us out of the top 35.

[Bricoop]

the 6 just punted the 7....."Were Done" I think that kicks us out of the top 35.

We have way more points than 36th. We are fine.

[kaw500]

the 6 just punted the 7....."Were Done" I think that kicks us out of the top 35.

It will be close, Sonoma must be good for the #7.

Tigers up. Racing over:mad:

[RGFan]

We have way more points than 36th. We are fine.

right now, with 22 laps to go, we are 40 points and falling out of 35th, there is a little more room to 36th...I would call that anything but fine.......Worst year since 2005....Definetely going backwards

[Bricoop]

right now, with 22 laps to go, we are 40 points and falling out of 35th, there is a little more room to 36th...I would call that anything but fine.......Worst year since 2005....Definetely going backwards

If they finish as they run now we would go to Sonoma 302 points in front of 36th.

[RGFan]

If they finish as they run now we would go to Sonoma 302 points in front of 36th.

And 31 points out of 35th......No bueno in my book....And a road course he has been hit or miss on the past several years

[Bricoop]

And 31 points out of 35th......No bueno in my book.

agreed

[RGFan]

Going to watch the Lakers lose....Misery loves company

[fishd00d]

Dale Jr takes it and runs out of fuel....no burnouts haha.

[RGFan]

Dale Jr takes it and runs out of fuel....no burnouts haha.

Maybe he thieved RG's "Secret Weapon":D:D Kahne second

[fishd00d]

Well since I had JR on my picks this week I guess I knew who really had the secret weapon :)

[Combo]

I had 1,2 and 4. With Kenseth on the bench! At least something positive this weekend!

[harleys dad]

I think he should hang it up, he does not have what it takes to win in Nascar let alone race his way in every week, AND he is his worst enemy when it comes to crew cheifs. Every time I watch Nascar, you can bet your house RG will be in the back and several laps down. It has gotten beyond being a joke, he seams to suck at it. He will never be able to build a relation with a crew cheif, and he is forsure showing his way sucks. Its pretty pathetic when a 18 year old comes in and wins nationwide in his 2or3rd race and RG stinks the place up week in and week out. His fall in points has just gotten started, he will fail to make races far more than he will race his way in, if that were not the case he would not be where he is. I bet moral at his shop has got to be in the toilet, and I read on here that his radio chatter was rated R??? Who is he going to yell at, Himself??? Can the owner fire the driver in this case?? Maybe it is time he put a good driver in his car, problem is if he did, it would make him even look worce. One thing I am not is spell bound by RG, but I also have no hate for him. results show he should be out of the seat and sombody who has the desire to win put in because he sure seams content with loosing and running bad. I would bet big money Kurt Bush could jump into Robbys cars and run up front, because he has the drive to win and is better anyday than RG at nascar racing, and has a crew cheif he trusts and isnt trying to second guess or over rule. Excuses are over and they fall rite in his lap. When he drove for others his sucsess was limmited, so I dont see how he would be some giant free agent if he wanted to drive for sombody else. If he is as good as some of you beleive he is, he sure isnt showing it, because I am more than sure his cars and equipment do not suck and are as good as most cars parts wise out there so it comes rite back at the driver because as strickt as Nascar is, I dont think lack of a wind tunnel is going to hurt much when all templets have to fit. I would love to see him run up front, or be a threat everyweek, but I think I have more chance flapping my arms and flying. Good luck RG, from this point(35th)on you are going to need it. I can see only one thing saving RG motorsports, and that is another driver. If I am wrong, the results show otherwise, or the proof is in the puddin.

[racer951]

Dave, he's in 31st, not in 35th. No need to race his way in.

[harleys dad]

my wrong, I thought I read he had fallen to 35th. Its just a matter of time before it happens unless somthing major happens to turn his fall around. Thanks for clearing it for me

[b-makk]

I think he should hang it up, he does not have what it takes to win in Nascar let alone race his way in every week, AND he is his worst enemy when it comes to crew cheifs. Every time I watch Nascar, you can bet your house RG will be in the back and several laps down. It has gotten beyond being a joke, he seams to suck at it. He will never be able to build a relation with a crew cheif, and he is forsure showing his way sucks. Its pretty pathetic when a 18 year old comes in and wins nationwide in his 2or3rd race and RG stinks the place up week in and week out. His fall in points has just gotten started, he will fail to make races far more than he will race his way in, if that were not the case he would not be where he is. I bet moral at his shop has got to be in the toilet, and I read on here that his radio chatter was rated R??? Who is he going to yell at, Himself??? Can the owner fire the driver in this case?? Maybe it is time he put a good driver in his car, problem is if he did, it would make him even look worce. One thing I am not is spell bound by RG, but I also have no hate for him. results show he should be out of the seat and sombody who has the desire to win put in because he sure seams content with loosing and running bad. I would bet big money Kurt Bush could jump into Robbys cars and run up front, because he has the drive to win and is better anyday than RG at nascar racing, and has a crew cheif he trusts and isnt trying to second guess or over rule. Excuses are over and they fall rite in his lap. When he drove for others his sucsess was limmited, so I dont see how he would be some giant free agent if he wanted to drive for sombody else. If he is as good as some of you beleive he is, he sure isnt showing it, because I am more than sure his cars and equipment do not suck and are as good as most cars parts wise out there so it comes rite back at the driver because as strickt as Nascar is, I dont think lack of a wind tunnel is going to hurt much when all templets have to fit. I would love to see him run up front, or be a threat everyweek, but I think I have more chance flapping my arms and flying. Good luck RG, from this point(35th)on you are going to need it. I can see only one thing saving RG motorsports, and that is another driver. If I am wrong, the results show otherwise, or the proof is in the puddin.

I'm starting to think he shouldn't be in Nascar... He should run the same schedule as Boris.

[Tristar Racing]

Wow, a whole lot of bitching going on around here. Go root for another team or driver if its that upsetting for you.

When people spend the time to moan like a pregnant woman, yet cant even spend the time to figure out which place RGM is in the points, well thats just sad.

If he wins this weekend, or more realisticly has a top 5, what are you going to say then? Seriously, enough with the complaining. Its a free country, you dont have to root for Robby; and Im damn sure you have zero dollars invested in the team.

Fire the driver, yea thats the answer. The proof is in the "pudding", the guy has proven if he has decent equipment he can drive. Right now though his "prove you wrong" attitude has landed him as an owner-driver with a team that has mediocre equipment at best. Im going to guess you werent even aware he ran in the top 15 all day at Michigan last year, or almost gave Jr. Motorsports their first Busch win at Michigan 2 years ago. But yea, fire the driver. Its obviously his lack of talent thats holding the team back...

But go ahead and complain. I can only see one thing saving this thread though, and that is harleys dad not posting... :rolleyes:

What a bunch of babies.

[Chris Tobin]

Don't count out Dale Jr!

WOW RDC "Futurecast" courtesy of Woundedyak!!!:D

Good call, buddy! Esp since he was dropping back around that time... Staying in the top ten but moving back from his third place start.

[b-makk]

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[Mumzy]

How about that Tiger? :p

[NIKAL]

So did NASCAR give Jr the win? It seems many drivers feel they did.

Several drivers were upset that #88-Dale Earnhardt Jr. was allowed to speed up and pass the pace car during a caution so he could save gas to make it to the finish line. The running start gave Earnhardt enough momentum to allow him to turn his engine off and coast halfway around Michigan International Speedway. "I just didn't know you could pass the pace car," third-place finisher #17-Matt Kenseth said. NASCAR rules prohibit anyone from passing the pace car during a caution, but Earnhardt was allowed to pull in front of the pace car at least twice to save fuel. The sanctioning body eventually warned him not to do it, but by then he had saved enough to win the LifeLock 400 on fumes. Earnhardt admitted he stretched the rules -- and NASCAR's patience -- but not enough to give the victory back. "I got a little greedy," he said. "I can understand how it looked, especially if you're not a Dale Jr. fan. But I got the trophy; I got the points."(Augusta Chronicle)(6-16-2008)

[Chris Tobin]

So did NASCAR give Jr the win? It seems many drivers feel they did.

Several drivers were upset that #88-Dale Earnhardt Jr. was allowed to speed up and pass the pace car during a caution so he could save gas to make it to the finish line. The running start gave Earnhardt enough momentum to allow him to turn his engine off and coast halfway around Michigan International Speedway. "I just didn't know you could pass the pace car," third-place finisher #17-Matt Kenseth said. NASCAR rules prohibit anyone from passing the pace car during a caution, but Earnhardt was allowed to pull in front of the pace car at least twice to save fuel. The sanctioning body eventually warned him not to do it, but by then he had saved enough to win the LifeLock 400 on fumes. Earnhardt admitted he stretched the rules -- and NASCAR's patience -- but not enough to give the victory back. "I got a little greedy," he said. "I can understand how it looked, especially if you're not a Dale Jr. fan. But I got the trophy; I got the points."(Augusta Chronicle)(6-16-2008)

No, I don't think they gave it to him. They warned him and he complied... Kenseth and others complaining is just sour grapes. Jr wouldn't have won if the GWC caution hadn't came out so that is what gave it to him... If the race had gone green to the end instead of 3-5 laps of caution then the GWC finish... Cars pass then fall back from the pace car all the time, watch them going into the pits and when the pace car first pulls out to slow the field. Drivers do not get penalized for this unless it is the Indy 500 and you are Scott Goodyear!:D

[RGFan]

I think he should hang it up, he does not have what it takes to win in Nascar let alone race his way in every week, AND he is his worst enemy when it comes to crew cheifs. Every time I watch Nascar, you can bet your house RG will be in the back and several laps down. It has gotten beyond being a joke, he seams to suck at it. He will never be able to build a relation with a crew cheif, and he is forsure showing his way sucks. Its pretty pathetic when a 18 year old comes in and wins nationwide in his 2or3rd race and RG stinks the place up week in and week out. His fall in points has just gotten started, he will fail to make races far more than he will race his way in, if that were not the case he would not be where he is. I bet moral at his shop has got to be in the toilet, and I read on here that his radio chatter was rated R??? Who is he going to yell at, Himself??? Can the owner fire the driver in this case?? Maybe it is time he put a good driver in his car, problem is if he did, it would make him even look worce. One thing I am not is spell bound by RG, but I also have no hate for him. results show he should be out of the seat and sombody who has the desire to win put in because he sure seams content with loosing and running bad. I would bet big money Kurt Bush could jump into Robbys cars and run up front, because he has the drive to win and is better anyday than RG at nascar racing, and has a crew cheif he trusts and isnt trying to second guess or over rule. Excuses are over and they fall rite in his lap. When he drove for others his sucsess was limmited, so I dont see how he would be some giant free agent if he wanted to drive for sombody else. If he is as good as some of you beleive he is, he sure isnt showing it, because I am more than sure his cars and equipment do not suck and are as good as most cars parts wise out there so it comes rite back at the driver because as strickt as Nascar is, I dont think lack of a wind tunnel is going to hurt much when all templets have to fit. I would love to see him run up front, or be a threat everyweek, but I think I have more chance flapping my arms and flying. Good luck RG, from this point(35th)on you are going to need it. I can see only one thing saving RG motorsports, and that is another driver. If I am wrong, the results show otherwise, or the proof is in the puddin.

Wow.......Hard to argue with that with the performances. My 2 cents worth is this.....RG can not hang as an owner/driver. He showed he could hang at RCR, that was 3 1/2 years ago, not 10. and they were down then. I think this driver owner thing has been a disaster. To each their own, this is a free country, I have said all along, if he is hell bent on owning a team, do it, just do not drive for it full time. He had a hell of a Busch series team with engine support from RCR. GO build a Busch series team and truck series team, go diversify in ALMS and IRL also, other areas where the guy is respected and his name carries weight. Sell the 7's points to a contender and be a driver only in Cup. Build his retirement that way. I still think the guy can drive, but my god, he is being his own driver, crew chief, owner all at once....He steps on the crew chief's decisions all of the time. Kevin Hamlin was the best thing that ever happened to Robby's Cup career...Do you know why...He was not afraid to tell Robby to SHUT UP AND DRIVE.....This has been an utter disaster IMO. He wasa supposed to be a contender in year 3, this is year 4 and is the worst season since 2005..... What a waste of talent. He could have been one of the great ones, he a chemistry expirement and mediocrity instead. And all of that BS about "the challenge" of ownership......That will not go down in the record books. As far as the Kurt Busch comment.....He has not done shiot either since leaving Roush.

I will always be a fan, but that does not mean I have to watch on Sundays

[racer951]

No, I don't think they gave it to him. They warned him and he complied... Kenseth and others complaining is just sour grapes. Jr wouldn't have won if the GWC caution hadn't came out so that is what gave it to him... If the race had gone green to the end instead of 3-5 laps of caution then the GWC finish... Cars pass then fall back from the pace car all the time, watch them going into the pits and when the pace car first pulls out to slow the field. Drivers do not get penalized for this unless it is the Indy 500 and you are Scott Goodyear!:D

I don't think they gave it to him either, but on that point, he DID pass the pace car again AFTER being warned. I thought that was interesting.

[RGFan]

Well, if you go by that, then they kind of did.

[bajafox]

Another fuel mileage win from HMS this season....is that considered lack of talent too by the driver but great strategy?

A win is a win, Jr deserved it and needed to get the monkey off his back.

I was rooting for Vickers though

[michael_loomis]

So what happens if RG passes the pace car after getting warned? HA!

ohhh and Tristar.. for the record, I dont recall ever whining about a bad RG finish.. ever.. :)

and if any driver should be fired soon... it should be David Ragan!! :D

[RGFan]

So what happens if RG passes the pace car after getting warned? HA!

He would tell them to go F themselves and would miss Sonoma:D

[harleys dad]

Shoot, I ment Kyle Bush, not Kurt Bush, I agree, he hasnt done well for a while. It is one thing to be strong willed, but his determanation to do it all is like drilling a hole in the bottom of a boat, pretty soon it will sink, and so will RG if he doesnt get out of his own way. Could he really be content getting start money each race?, because I would shure tire and go another direction If I ran in the back every race after race. Drive or own but not both, somthing has got to give and that is him. If he wants to own a team GREAT, if he wants to drive GREAT choose one or the other, he has proven he cannot do both and be a contender, all he proves is he is a also ran.

[RGFan]

Not that it helps, but the team just reported that a broken piston in the shock is the reason for the sudden handling change the team had at the beginning of the race, they were fast though for the firs 8-10 laps, made up 10 spots in 3 laps.....I agree though, he can not do both....Successfully, even if he does win the road races, that is just not good enough.

[NIKAL]

My question is how did a piston just brake? How often have we seen pistons in off-road just brake? Not many if at all. Most of the time the shock brakes because of a crash. How does RGM know the shock did not brake when he hit the wall twice?


RGM PR:
BROOKLYN, MI (June 16, 2008) - Robby Gordon hit the track in Michigan with a fast race car, but another run of bad luck was lurking under the hood. After a third quick practice run on Friday, his chance of a solid qualifying lap was rained out, and Gordon had to start the race from the 30th position. Things were looking better for the team on Sunday when immediately following the drop of the green flag the fast No. 7 Dodge had gained ten spots and was on the move towards the leaders. Shortly thereafter though, things started to go askew, and it was not until Monday when the team learned why.

After the first of seven cautions came out, Gordon started to notice that his car was tightening up, stating that he felt as though he was having a problem with the right front tire. The team pitted under green on lap 38 with the leaders, and crew chief, Walter Giles called for a track bar adjustment and two rounds up in the left rear jack screw, aimed at freeing up the car.

Robby Gordon reported that the No. 7 Dodge had become uncharacteristically loose following the changes that were made during the last pit stop. “Whatever you did turned me into a sprint car,” Gordon stated. “I have no grip in the rear tires, and I am completely backwards going into the corners.”

The Robby Gordon Motorsports crew continued to make changes to the car in order to improve on the handling of what started out as a fast race car. Much to their dismay, each adjustment either caused the No. 7 Dodge to be too loose or too tight. This made it difficult for Gordon to gain positions on the track while going from one extreme to the other. The fickle race car was a mystery to the mechanics and engineers, and it was deemed that a meticulous inspection would be needed after the race.

On lap 152, the No. 7 Dodge was tagged by another competitor, causing Gordon to hit the wall and put an end to the already frustrating day. He finished the race in the 40th position.

Back at the shop on Monday morning, a diagnostic evaluation of the car began immediately, and it wasn’t long until the crew discovered the root of the problems during the race. A shock piston was found to have broken during the race, which explains why Gordon felt as though his car was hitting the valence and was experiencing the uncanny handling issues.

“It makes me feel better knowing the reason why our car was not where it needed to be on Sunday,” Gordon stated. “It helps us gain our confidence back, and we are able to learn from that experience and hopefully have more success when we return to Michigan in August.”

[fishd00d]

Not that it helps, but the team just reported that a broken piston in the shock is the reason for the sudden handling change

Damnit the secret weapon failed!!!!