Exhaust

[2fast_Eddie]

What do you guys think would be the best exhaust muffler for a Tacoma 3.4 V6 engine is? and I'm not just talking about the way it sounds, but best performance out of an exhaust.

Either it's on or it's off. . .

[Ryno]

Nowadays, any of the major players all do about the same. Dynomax, Flowmaster, Borla, etc...they all help flow, flowmaster is by the far the loudest. When I put a 3" exhaust on my K1500 it lost some torque because I lost so much backpressure. I would keep the stock pipe, and just weld in the muffler.

Ryno

Build it like a Rhino, and Leave it be.

[evan_clanin]

trd uses borla on there dealer kits if that tells ya any thing

Can blind people be dyslexic when they read Braille?

[dunerking]

I have always been happy with Flowmaster,like Ryno said bigger is not always better.I bought a 03 Tacoma Quad cab 4wd TRD,and was going to lose the just the stock muffler and go with a 3 chamber Flowmaster,I think its would be 2 1/2".I just don't want it to sound like I had one of those flatbillers install it,for example dual 3" now I will be a hard core dezert racer,j/k

hit it hard

[TRDshaunTRD]

Don't worry about the power advantage. They are all similar and in my opinion don't do a whole lot compared to other power upgrades that can be made. On my 3.4 v6, i have the stock pipe with a flowmaster 2 chamber dumped after the muffler, and have a straight pipe that can replace my catalytic converter when I go offroad. Don't waist you money on Borla. In my opinion, the best onroad sound/performance comes from a flowmaster 2 chamber dumped and retaining the cat.

"Those who risk nothing, are nothing."

[havahockey]

I ditched my stock muffler and first had a Flowmaster Series 40 and now I have a Dynomax Race Bullet. Can't tell a difference between the two, and after a while they all sound the same...loud.

Race-Dezert Anonymous - Step #1:
"Hello, my name is Jason. And I'm a Race-Dezertaholic."

[dunerking]

Well put

hit it hard

[Kritter]

Go with a Spintech...it will outlast a Flowmaster due to better qulaity assembly and it sounds awesome. They are a small company who prides themselves on quality...not some huge mass produced company selling advertising!

Kris
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[evan_clanin]

make sure u get the cooooool led tip too

Can blind people be dyslexic when they read Braille?

[Kritter]

http://www.spintechmufflers.com/spintech/images/spintechred.jpg

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"Unlike any muffler you have ever seen or heard before
Traditional muffler designs remove sound in two ways: friction and absorption. Friction mufflers (stock type, turbo type, chambered) have high back pressure and can cause extreme high resonance and noise inside the vehicle at certain engine speeds (2000 to 3000) RPM.

Absorption (packed mufflers) have a straight through design, they can have good flow but the packing begins to deteriorate and get louder as they wear out, and with modern engines the heat is very high which destroys the packing even quicker.

Spin Tech's patented design provides maximum performance for today's modern engines. Its all done by means of a Spin sound trap, which captures sound vibration (noise) and turns it into heat within the muffler case. As exhaust gases enter they are routed to the spin traps which create a high velocity vortex trapping the sound waves. The extremely high flow rates are achieved by a unique internal scavenging system that creates a venturi effect.

Developed and fine tuned in the toughest race tracks of America, our product development continues as "Spin Tech Performance" mufflers are gaining more and more followers in the extremely competitive racing areas of Drag Racing, Circle Track Racing and Road Racing! Race officials are frequently requiring mufflers on competition vehicles, more often than not the 95 DB rule is becoming the norm. Spin tech performance mufflers can make the difference between winning and losing! "

Kris
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[Steve_HKmtrsprts]

Kritter,
Explain how the Flowmaster is poor quality, I have never seen one fail or heard of them being problematic.

<font color=red>"BIG TYMERS is a state of mind... If you gonna do something, do it big time."</font color=red>

[Kritter]

Come by the shop...i'll show you 3...maybe more that took a crap. I have a flowmaster on my truck and the welds in the muffler break and the thing just rattles to hell. The spintechs come off the truck after a year of racing and go straight to a daily driver/prerunner and keep on rockin! Go to a QUALITY muffler shop and a lot of them wont even carry flowmaster anymore because of problems, customer complaints, and poor quality. If you can get a flowmaster from 5 or 6 years ago....then you have a good muffler, but the newer ones (last few years) are not like they used to be...when quantity goes up...quality goes down 9 times out of 10!

Kris
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[Bryan_D]

I have broken a flowmaster at the intake weld from my driveshaft shattering and then smacking the muffler as the brake. Even that didnt completely break it just started the crack and then over time of it bouncing it finally opened and cracked. I put another on and love it. Although I have a friend that put a spintech on his jeep and he loves is. Seems much more heavy duty but also more weight which means that is more weight moving up and down in your mounts that could break instead. Either way they are both awsome.

Jeep this Oval Boys

[JrSyko]

My Flowmaster has broken twice right where it exits the muffler after back to back trips in Baja. I finally just put on a turn down piece so that there is nothing left to break. However, I noticed a loss in torque too. Anyway to remedy that without putting the pipe back on? She's got headers, intake, a chip and gears....

See ya in the dirt!

[John_Bitting]

Bassani seems to make nice mufflers/exhaust systems.

[Steve_HKmtrsprts]

I guess a lot has to do with how the muffler or echo chamber is mounted. I have one of the older ones and havent had a problem with it. But I have a friend who owns the muffler shop and I get it mounted how I want it unlike Midas which unless you know someone there will mount that and a tailpipe.

Dont mean to hijack the thread but does anybody have any experience with the mechanisms that allow you to run open headers with a pull of a lever and then return it back to the pipes and muffgler when back on the street. I saw it on "Trucks" on TNN.

<font color=red>"BIG TYMERS is a state of mind... If you gonna do something, do it big time."</font color=red>

[2fast_Eddie]

Thanks Kritter, i checked out spintech a while back and they were the best but also pretty expensive, but now they're pretty cheap! what size should i get though? theres like 30 different choices and i dont want to f it up.

if the road isn't blurry. . .you're not going fast enough!

[Jerry Zaiden]

Check out the JBA systems. Header, and exhaust. Nice stuff!

[dunerking]

I have always been happy with the time trusted Flowmaster,but willing to try something different.Was checking out Spintech and noticed the Pro Street model 6333,how do you think this would work on my new Tacoma V6?I think stock exhaust size is 2 1/2" inlet 2 1/2" outlet?I was looking to give the little thing a nice sound,the sound of the diesel was normal for a long time.Looking to swap just the muffler,I don't want any problems smogging the damn thing.

hit it hard

[YZFster]

whats up slut??????????? I thought we already went through this.......j/k......bro......anything u get will be better than what u got.....supertrapps are always good....we might go to the trailer this weekend.....they got about 5-6 inches of rain....slut

Go Big or stay there.

[drtdevil93]

i dont know what area you are from, but ACE muffler in santa ana is where i send all my customers. Jose, the owner, is an awesome header builder, he made headers for PPI (Ivans old truck), now does a lot of nascar guys. they did the setup on my truck, and it works awesome. i broke 2 flowmasters before Jose talked me in to the Spintech. i picked up a very noticeable amount of bottom end torque and top-end power. its pretty quiet at idle, and when youre putting it around, but get on the gas hard, and it screams. and they dont fall apart!!

erik

[Kritter]

I will get you the number of a guy who sells the cutouts you are refeering to. My old boss has servo actuated ones installed on his Nova and he jsut pushes a button and they open up...but I dont know if the failure mode is open or closed!!!!

Here is a similar picture but these ones are not as heavy duty
http://www.buickgn.com/DMHONEmedium.jpg

Kris
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[Ryno]

Jr-

Which motor do you have? I have solved the problem of more power in a simple way....Higher ratio rocker arms. Ex...1.5 comes factory. cam lift is .450 @ .050. If you go to a 1.6....your lift then goes to .480. So, you now have more lift from your cam, with maybe 2-3 degrees more duration. Doesn't hurt the computer with such a small change, but you will feel it in the pants. As far as valvetrain outside of that, I've never had a problem with springs not handling the extra lift, or a valvetrain problem caused by rockers. If you really wanna fix the backpressure problem, get a nice cam from Crower and slap it in there...She'll perk right up right up!!

Ryno

Build it like a Rhino, and Leave it be.

[2fast_Eddie]

Whats up slut!!!! I know we already went through it and i checked it out online but i just wanted to get everyone elses idea and i'm glad cause spintech is definitely the way to go. . .anyway can't make it out this weekend have limited funds just enough to get hammered with, will be out there next paycheck though, done some work to the buggy now that ive got my book for buggies for compleat idiots. say hey to Art for me Later slut!

If the road isn't a blur. . .you're not going fast enough

[JrSyko]

Ryno-

How much would something like that cost?

See ya in the dirt!

[hbprnstr]

I put a magnaflow on my tacoma and the thing fell on its face. Had like zero bottum end and sounded mono tone as all hell since its an auto. After running it for two days I ended up putting my stock muffler back on and running a turn down before the axle. Personally i like to hear the whine of the supercharger over BAHHHHHHHHHH :)

[Steve_HKmtrsprts]

Yeah, Adam why dont you just rub it in that you have a supercharger. http://www.race-dezert.com/wwwthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

<font color=red>"BIG TYMERS is a state of mind... If you gonna do something, do it big time."</font color=red>

[drtdevil93]

i like to listen to my valvetrain hum. sounds cool.

erik

[Ryno]

Steve-

let the boy spend the 2k for the blower...wait and see how the motor holds up. I've got $10 says it doesn't last past 120k. If it's auto, slap a tranny in there too. Blowers belong on top fuel dragsters, not street/ prerunner trucks. Too much heat and compression for me. He can rub it in all he wants...My 350 will still blow his doors off all day long.

Ryno

Build it like a Rhino, and Leave it be.

[spedy1]

I have a 120k on my t100 with a super charger and I don't have any problems. I'm also running 10lbs of boost. Had the valve body modified by level 10 to firm up the shifting. I put it on around 45k. I also run a spintech and have for a while.

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1>Edited by spedy1 on 02/28/03 10:06 PM (server time).</FONT></P>

[havahockey]

Have you raced a blown Tacoma? You'd be suprised how much they wake up with a charger. And in headers, intake and exhaust and the things scream.

Race-Dezert Anonymous - Step #1:
"Hello, my name is Jason. And I'm a Race-Dezertaholic."

[hbprnstr]

Were do you live maybe we can race sometime. I have had mine on for almost a year and have had no problems with it and know others who have had them for alot longer and raced the hell out of them and have had no problems. Thats the beauty of TRD. its designed to work with the stock power train and if it breaks back to toyota it goes.

P.S. It was alot less than 2 grand

[Ryno]

HB-

I live in San Diego. Everytime I have seen the TRD blower, it has been at least 2k for the kit. As far as toyota quality, they are bar none the best. I am buying a tacoma for my next truck specifically for that reason. I'm not gonna blow my $$$ on gas for my V8, when I can do what I need to with a tacoma V6. We all need to understand that when the chips are down, it's all about power/ weight ratio. So, I'm sure the blower bumps your V6 up to about 260hp, and your truck weighs far less than mine. My experience with blowers has always been that they work best on race applications, and have too much compression and heat for a normal daily driver.

Ryno

Build it like a Rhino, and Leave it be.

[ACID_RAIN28]

The TRD charger will be fine for the taco v6, A race charger is one like a 14-71 mooneyham that has tremendous amount of psi, the TRD donsn't come close, to those numbers. I don't think that toyata would manufacture a bolt on that would cause the truck to live as long as a.....FORD.

Do we have a rule book? A rule book, sir?
You know, a book with rules in it.

[SpareChangeRacng]

Man I can't wait to get my truck back up and driving again. Kevin Hutter and I were suposed to race a while ago (right after the engine swap in my truck - Supercharged 3.8L out of a T-bird), but we never got around to it. Hopefully he'll be done w/ his toyo about the time I'm done w/ the ranger and we can finally have the showdown - blue oval against jap crap - hahaha. (ust kidding guys - it's all in good fun so don't get all pissy!) I know how fast my ranger is, and have only heard good things about the TRD stuff - I wanna see how fast you SC taco's really are. Steve

[havahockey]

Add to that Kevin is crazy and I think he'll win :)

Race-Dezert Anonymous - Step #1:
"Hello, my name is Jason. And I'm a Race-Dezertaholic."

[Kritter]

Race him on highway 3 going to San Felipe in a couple weeks!

Kris
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[SpareChangeRacng]

My truck is no where near done Kris. I am not even 1/2 way done as of now. I know Kevin is planning on caging his truck, so maybe by the time he gets around to this and gets done, mine will be closer to completion. I think one of the major advantages I have over Kevin is weight (especially now!) He's got that heavy 4wd setup you know. Steve

[drtdevil93]

how about a meeting at the fontana dragstrip someday? we can have a showdown of vehicles doing what they werent intended to do.

erik

[ACID_RAIN28]

Or race the trucks in the street stock class at the my Sand drags, keep it in dirt!

Do we have a rule book? A rule book, sir?
You know, a book with rules in it.

[SpareChangeRacng]

Before I tore down the truck for the rebuild, I took it out to the street legal drags at Fontana w/ a friend (BMW guy). My best run of the day was a 15.52. Not great but I SMOKED my buddy in hi BWM 328, and I beat a Mustange SVT in the 1/8th mi - that guy beat me in the 1/4 but I have NO top end in the truck - all torque. Anyway, Fontana is fun, and I will definately be out there again once the truck is done. You should have heard the announcer and crowd when I pulled up to the line! They changed their tune after I smokedthe tires though. Steve

*EDIT* - if someone will post pics for me I've got a few of me at the line. PM me, and I'll email um to you tonight once I get home and can scan um.

[Steve_HKmtrsprts]

Here are Steve's (SpareChangeRacng) pics.

http://www.race-dezert.com/wwwthreads/files/6-47977-SteveFontana.jpg

<font color=red>"BIG TYMERS is a state of mind... If you gonna do something, do it big time."</font color=red>

[Steve_HKmtrsprts]

last one

http://www.race-dezert.com/wwwthreads/files/6-47978-SteveFontana2.jpg

<font color=red>"BIG TYMERS is a state of mind... If you gonna do something, do it big time."</font color=red>

[JrSyko]

What did you do to your truck?

See ya in the dirt!

[Jordan]

I have a tacoma too and Magnaflow, Dynomax and Flowmaster have all failed in my truck and previous vehicles. Right now I am running stock exhaust because of limited cash flow and then I am planning on going with Spintech. I also considered Bassani and JBA but both are too expensive.

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[SpareChangeRacng]

JrSyko - not sure if you were asking me "what did you do to your truck" or not. If you were - what do you mean? Do you mean why is it apart? If so it is kinda of a long story, but the short vesion is I started over from the ground up (thanks Rob and Jason) PM me if you want more info.
To get back on the topc - I had a flowmaster in there before and liked it - sounded good and throaty. I'm prettu sure I'll be trying magnaflow when I get to putting exhaust back on the monster though. My friend owns an exhaust shop and he said the sound is comparable, but magnaflows flow better. Steve

PS - oh yeah - that supercharged 3.8L in the ranger was and is still SMOG LEGAL in CA - whoo hoo!

[blacktaco666]

I've tried many mufflers on my 2001 3.4 tacoma...started out with a free magnaflow glasspack (sounded too ricey)...went to a flowmaster once the magnaflow broke into a million pieces, but the flowmaster was too quiet, and i put a bitchin borla tip on the end of it, but 500 miles down the road the welds fell apart and things turned to shat.....so i went to a different muffler shop and this guy really knows his mufflers! (oh yeah i installed gibson shorty headers for giggles) so this new guy put a nice bullet in there and a really heavy duty hanger and that freakin thing is bulletproof!! i like the sound now, even though it kinda drowns out my SUPERCHARGER whine. And now (as if i havent already spent enough on my exhaust) One of my coworkers convinced me to get rid of my stock Y-pipe for better flow with the TRD supercharger and have my muffler guy fab up a nice 2 1/2 inch one....UP TO the cats that is because he WONT touch the cats! So it's up to me to fab up some kind of straight pipe to delete the cats for uh...."offroad use only".