16 Inch Steel Wheels

[Johnson954]

I know I have asked this question before, but it was a while ago...I'm thinking about getting some 16" steel wheels made for my 9 car, and just want to know what everyone thinks in regards to me running them. I know in the rules it says you have to run 15" steel wheels, but as long as they are steel, I don't see anything wrong with it.

Give me your thoughts, most importantly the MORE racers. My car is apart and hopefully I will see all of you in December.

[JJohnson]

I would think to go with the 15'' wheel because you could get a taller tire which might help with the ride beacuse of the lack of travel that 9 cars have. Just a thought.

[MORE #911]

Why would you not run the required wheel?

[TauMau]

Maybe he's looking for a rule change?

I'm more curious what the benefit would be...regardless, I would not support the change.

[ACME]

Rules are rules aren't they???

[Johnson954]

The only reason for the change would be the ability to run a trailer tire on all 4 corners like a 16 car, and only carry one spare available for the front or back. This would also open up a lot more options for tires, as there are only 2 right now, at least for the rear.

When the rules were written, there weren't too many 16" tires out there. As long as they are steel wheels, and the tire size is no bigger than a M/T, I don't see the problem. We (MORE/SNORE) made an exception for the M/T tires, that are "illegal by the rules" for being 33" tall, so I don't see where this is any difference.

[BUDMAN975]

Alright dont jump down my throat ANYONE, I saw this come up and I thought I would share. I drove my dads 1600 car this weekend after the race and we were messing around with setup IE shocks tires and wheels, anyway Mike Meehan 1699 came by and offered up some 16" wheels with 33" BFGs on them, not only was the tire lighter than the YOKs (both on centerlines) and the same heigth but we got 3mph faster out of them. I would like to see someone try it on a 9 car. I'm just sayn.

[BeanerBoy]

Just for the record SNORE and MORE did not make a change to allow M/T tires!!! At 18 PSI like the rule says they will be at when measured they are legal!!!! Isn't having a 16" wheel going to cost more than buying a 15" wheel!! If 16" wheels are going to be allowed why not just go with any wheel??

[ffrank]

Cheese and rice Clint Torres your such a trouble maker. I would'nt give a Beanerboy azz if you guys ran 16's. I think its a great idea. Class 9 rules were written "back in the day", things have progressed.... Oh wait, not the dune buggys of class 9.

[Shred918]

Cheese and rice Clint Torres your such a trouble maker. I would'nt give a Beanerboy azz if you guys ran 16's. I think its a great idea. Class 9 rules were written "back in the day", things have progressed.... Oh wait, not the dune buggys of class 9.

Built trannies and bypass shocks for all and dont forget the 1835's!

[9rocky]

How about some 20's??

[EL Diablo]

This class is in dier need of some rule changes due to availability of parts. It is going to get to the point of people not racing nine because of all the time and money spent trying to get cores, if you could even find them. We spent way too much in the tranny in our single seat. If Trophy lites are preping with 500 to a 1000 dollars per race there is something absolutly wrong with this class, as it is suppose to be a budget class. I spent a minimum of $1000 on a prep. And that is a prep where your in the car praying the whole time your racing. And if there does happen to be a debate about nine car rules again I think you should have to OWN a nine car in order to speak your mind in any said meeting. Just a poor white boys thoughts.

[ffrank]

Devil man, Be careful bringing up rule changes, you just might get labeled a "MISFIT". But I like the way you roll!!

[Shred918]

Lets just make the 9 Open class... everyone else seems to be able to make classes up.

[ACME]

My .02: There is no real "Parts Shortage" in class 9. Stuff is a little harder to get and costs more but then so does everything else, try to find a decent $5 lap dance now a days for goodness sake! The beauty of this class is a 20 year old car can be as competitive as a new car. If change is made it needs to be agreed to at all sanctioning bodies or otherwise the cars will not be universal in their ability to race anywhere and you'll end up with a hermaphrodite. Rules are rules and a blatent turn your head attitude is not in the spirit of a limited class. Constant rules changes and special interests are what created the issues and pushed a lot of cars/drivers out of 16 and 5/16. Opening or discussing a rule change to save loot makes sense, but change for the sake of change makes no sense to me... Class 9 car owner.

[Johnson954]

Just for the record SNORE and MORE did not make a change to allow M/T tires!!! At 18 PSI like the rule says they will be at when measured they are legal!!!! Isn't having a 16" wheel going to cost more than buying a 15" wheel!! If 16" wheels are going to be allowed why not just go with any wheel??

I know that Jim at MORE said that no one would be disqualified for running 33" M/T's, I assumed SNORE was the same, but maybe not. I know in SCORE, they have to measure at 32" at 18lbs., per the rules.

I'm not saying there needs to be a rule change. All I'm asking is if I can run them without a big uproar of "breaking the rules". If they work out, then maybe it would be another option for tire combinations. Heck, I don't know if I'm even going to like them! It is going to cost me about $125 a wheel to get them made, but I'm sure the cost would come down if they were wanted in mass quantities. Custom Commercial is going to make them, and what is the cost of a 15" wheel right now?....last I heard it was $85...not too much different in price. Especially when you factor in the fact that you can buy trailer tires for almost half the price of Yoks or M/T's.

Honestly, as long as you meet the tire diameter requirement and the wheels are steel, then I don't see why you couldn't run any diameter steel wheel. I also don't see where this effects a 20 year old car running with a new one.

[Johnson954]

Cheese and rice Clint Torres your such a trouble maker. I would'nt give a Beanerboy azz if you guys ran 16's. I think its a great idea. Class 9 rules were written "back in the day", things have progressed.... Oh wait, not the dune buggys of class 9.


Alright dont jump down my throat ANYONE, I saw this come up and I thought I would share. I drove my dads 1600 car this weekend after the race and we were messing around with setup IE shocks tires and wheels, anyway Mike Meehan 1699 came by and offered up some 16" wheels with 33" BFGs on them, not only was the tire lighter than the YOKs (both on centerlines) and the same heigth but we got 3mph faster out of them. I would like to see someone try it on a 9 car. I'm just sayn.

Thanks guys.

[EL Diablo]

Oh piss off Jeff. Okay it is a pain in the arse for those of use who actually hold a job. Not all of us have a Beautiful sugar mama. And don't let that go to your head. I am still a firm believer she only married you because she lost a bet!

I am only nagging the tranny. I still maintain the front end is a pain but yes leave it be so Jeff won't throw a fit. If a fella wants more tire options I don't see any way he can gain an advantage with a 16" rim. Why are you old dudes so stuck on leave it the way it is. Times change ya old fart.

I do feel FORTIN shifters should not be aloud, totally rediculous and creates mass amounts of jealousy.

And Jeff what is this 9 car owner crap? Did you screw me on some GREAT DEAL?

BTW; I heard Nate gives fabulous $5 lap dances!!!!!!!

[MORE #911]

My perfect world would be to keep same rules, encourage all to ditch thier old chassis and go new 1600 style chassis and maximize current rules to the max.. focus on getting the entries up in every single race.. in the MORE series there (quick look) has been 26 total entires across all races.. only 7 have made every race.. get those 26 cars in each race would make $7800 payback to top 4 based on MORE schedule.. ..$4k to 1st alone each race...

[ACME]

I love you too Joel! I have no adversity to change but IMO rules are rules. What's next, disregard for class weights, 1641's, internal trans changes, race fuel? I'm not bagging on the 16" deal but the rules are in place for a reason and if you want a change lobby for it otherwise it's not legal. As far as being a 9 car owner I do own the "Wedgie"... and you know I'm looking out for ya bro. Oh yeah, I am the luckiest guy in the world and it doesn't bother me a bit she lost a bet! HAHA!

[EL Diablo]

Right on slappy. I see your point. But I don't think it has to get that carried away. Guess I'll go race champ class in SNORE with the other three guys. HAHAHA.

[9rocky]

Right on slappy. I see your point. But I don't think it has to get that carried away. Guess I'll go race champ class in SNORE with the other three guys. HAHAHA.

Joel, I have the 9 car you have been looking for. Has that slightly lived in feel, but it sure feels homey. ;)

[BeanerBoy]

Joel it's a great car, I'll make you a hell of a deal on it, lol Get with me

[BeanerBoy]

Bud's car looks sweet with centerlines!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://kartek.com/Media/Showroom2.html

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[ACME]

Joel it's a great car, I'll make you a hell of a deal on it, lol Get with me

I'm already brokering this deal Korry the commish is mine!


Bud's car looks sweet with centerlines!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I'll take a shot and say this is one of the nicest 9 cars out there next to Wormies!

Now go kick some T-L arse!!!!!

[kwood]

Now go kick some T-L arse!!!!!

And 5/16!:D:cool:

[doug969]

Bud's car looks sweet with centerlines!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Dang Bud thats a nice car that beam looks sweet... : )

[EL Diablo]

Joel it's a great car, I'll make you a hell of a deal on it, lol Get with me

Well Kevin and Jeff, This is Beaner boy we are talking about. I do recall a saying "possesion is 9/10's of the law." HAHAHA.

All seriousness though Corey, Jeff has already started the negotiations. On another note I have been knowen to cut out the middle man. I know Kevin too Jeff. Just move on and cut your losses. We will negotiate the deal at the next BITD race. Really though Jeff is a great promoter of class nine. I appreciate all the help baller

Screw racin', I have just as much fun trash talkin with the ACME Crew.

Kevin PM will be sent shortly!!!

[BUDMAN975]

Dang Bud thats a nice car that beam looks sweet... : )

Thanks guys, I forgot to say thanks Doug for all of the awesome products that you have developed, in my best announcer voice "I know I wouldnt be able to trust any other brand when it comes to racing. (big smile) now go out and get your Cocks Suspension products, and tell him Bud sent you.":D that would make for a great commercial.

[kwood]

Thanks guys, I forgot to say thanks Doug for all of the awesome products that you have developed, in my best announcer voice "I know I wouldnt be able to trust any other brand when it comes to racing. (big smile) now go out and get your Cocks Suspension products, and tell him Bud sent you.":D that would make for a great commercial.

Especially if in the commercial you nerfed a TL or 5/16! LOL:D

[BeanerBoy]

Nerfing a 5/16 as they passed a TL!!

[kwood]

Nerfing a 5/16 as they passed a TL!!

hahahaha, thats perfect!:D

[ACME]

Joel you seem to forget since you hardly ever make it out; we adopted your P&G water drinking butt years ago, you're in the brotherhood! After the hook up you'd hose me on the commish? I guess you can take the boy outta Barstool but you can't take the Barstool outta the boy; and please stop sending me the Obama propaganda lit, I can't believe your voting for him.

How about a sticker for the 9 guys: A small BW image of the back of a 9 car with the rear wheels cambered out with "Class 9 Dork" next to it on the bottom, and in big letters on top "Happiness is punting a T-L or 5/16!"

So to keep it on topic, any thoughts on Beadlocks? Approx 4-5 lbs heavier but a much stronger wheel.

[9rocky]

Joel you seem to forget since you hardly ever make it out; we adopted your P&G water drinking butt years ago, you're in the brotherhood! After the hook up you'd hose me on the commish? I guess you can take the boy outta Barstool but you can't take the Barstool outta the boy; and please stop sending me the Obama propaganda lit, I can't believe your voting for him.
How about a sticker for the 9 guys: A small BW image of the back of a 9 car with the rear wheels cambered out with "Class 9 Dork" next to it on the bottom, and in big letters on top "Happiness is punting a T-L or 5/16!"

So to keep it on topic, any thoughts on Beadlocks? Approx 4-5 lbs heavier but a much stronger wheel.

And I just sent the PM, this changes everything! Jefe, I thought you were vetting these prospects?

[ACME]

My bad Kev. I found a new buyer, he's from the UK and very interested in paying you by TT and will send you $30K to cover the vehicle, shipping etc... plus 10% for my expenses. He just needs your bank info to move forward...

[9rocky]

I got a guy from Nigeria offering better than that. Maybe we can get them in a bidding war?

[EL Diablo]

Jeff,

You told me there was only room for one Barstowian in your click. You all decided since Nate still has his rock fort there he was in and I was out. And quit having Barstow boys go through your mail, they read for SH&T, the steekers read:

NOBAMA

[Shred918]

There are two of them.... you forgot that it is a Nate\Chris team. Three might be pushing it though.... I would of course be open to it. :D

[ACME]

I thought it was "Barstonian"? There's always room for one more in the clan, besides Nate is trying to escape and C-Nutz is moving into Kev's hood so we need a replacement...

[Johnson954]

Hey guys,

I talked to Jim about the 16" wheels and he would like to hear what the class 9 MORE racers think about it. I put a post on race talk on the MORE site, if you would like to give your thoughts.

I would like to ask you to seriously give it some thought and consideration. I'm not looking for a rule change, but more of an exception to just try it out. If anyone else would like to try them out, let me know.

[Haney motorsports]

Steve
I can apperciate what/why you want to change the rules,but please go to the promoter that all the series are conforming too.There are way to many classes out there now.Good Luck

[C-nutz!]

we can always three link the rear and start using king kong spindles with the 2 degree drop oh yeah! dont forget coil overs! but as long as the numbers dont change were good!

[ffrank]

Husky Chris your NUTZ, Haney is right, If you want a change go to the top, SCORE. I think the one size tire would be great. It would make your spares double, give your beam more ground clearance, and allow you to run more than two different rear tires, also allow BFG pit support for Mexico. All-Terrains are not a good BFG choice. I like it but I wouldnt be the first to try it. I would worry about spindle breakage, Ill let someone else "prove" them. Hell ya from me.

[Haney motorsports]

Thanks Frank,I was hoping someone understood where I was coming from.I not against it at all ( for the bfg reason)it just needs to be presented to the rule makers

Those are all terrians in my current avatar worked great just a little small in the desert

[9rocky]

I like your signature Chris!!

[Johnson954]

I talked to Bill Savage today, and he said if there was enough interest he would consider the change/exception, but not just on my asking. So I guess it is up to you guys, and especially the ones that have run SCORE, I would think, could have a stronger say. I've never run SCORE, and couldn't even if I wanted, because my car is not tagged.

My plan to get the wheels made is to use 16" spare (donut type) wheels. Custom and commercial is going to cut the center out and add a 5 lug VW, making a 16X4 steel wheel. I'm not sure what the weight will be, but I'm hoping that it will be comparable to the 15X5 (don't know the exact offset yet either). I think with the right trailer tire, you could hopefully save a few pounds over the M/T's or Yoks.

Cost = (donut tires junk yard) $15 + $90 (C&C) = $105 each

The advantages that I see:

1. About the same cost to buy
2. Cost could be cheaper overall due to less cost of trailer tires
3. Can run same tire on all 4 corners, reducing different spares needed.
4. Will allow you to keep ride height in rear and increase in front
5. Will allow more tire combinations, which would be a huge asset to anyone running SCORE.
6. Hopefully the wheel tire combination will reduce weight on rear, helping with unsprung rotating mass, reducing tranny stress.
7. The rear tires could have less bite, also reducing tranny stress.
8. Tires should be stronger, especially side wall
9. ...could look cool too.

Let me know if your interested. Either reply here or PM me.

[MORE #911]

I am new to this.. what do you think the optimum tire brand, type and size would be for a MORE/SNORE car with the wheels?

[Haney motorsports]

I would be for this as mentioned above (and even promote it if I can buy your 15" stuff cheap.....must be the 5 lug though:D)You would think if we all were to switch or the majority ray(c&c)would come up with some closer pricing to the 15".Why don't you get a poll going on this site steve?

so you would also be changing the width requirements too?

[Johnson954]

I don't have any plans to change the offset, just don't know what can be given based on where the center mounts to the rim, strength wise. I would keep it the same if I can...

And I only have 4 lug stuff:(, and don't plan on selling anything until I know for sure the 16" wheels will work!

[Cameron]

When you get the wheels made and tires mounted be sure to weigh them and the 15's and post what they each weigh.

[Johnson954]

I am new to this.. what do you think the optimum tire brand, type and size would be for a MORE/SNORE car with the wheels?

General Tire is offering a 7.50X16 (Navajo) tire for the Baja 1000....with a $5000 pay out to the winner, and full pit support.

[ACME]

General Tire is offering a 7.50X16 (Navajo) tire for the Baja 1000....with a $5000 pay out to the winner, and full pit support.
But under the current rules that tire would get you DQ'd in class 9. Once again a case of SCORE and the "FAT" rule...

[Johnson954]

But under the current rules that tire would get you DQ'd in class 9. Once again a case of SCORE and the "FAT" rule...

Unless, of course, there is enough interest, and in which case Bill Savage said he would consider it. Skinny is always faster than FAT.....

[justplainnate]

But under the current rules that tire would get you DQ'd in class 9.Once again a case of chris, that "FAT" dude...

jeff, that was unnecessary to say that! i thought we went over that chris would prefer to be called HUSKY and not the "F" word. its ok chris...he didnt mean it:D HAHAHAHAHA

[doug969]

Happy B Day Nate!!!!! I have that room booked again in Hinkley. I requested the neon green pool view again. It looks so nice from the Elvis suit. I just hope they got that little issue handled with the sheets this time. I bet you never wanna go through that again huh? pick you up at 7pm tomorrow


jeff, that was unnecessary to say that! i thought we went over that chris would prefer to be called HUSKY and not the "F" word. its ok chris...he didnt mean it:D HAHAHAHAHA

[justplainnate]

Happy B Day Nate!!!!! I have that room booked again in Hinkley. I requested the neon green pool view again. It looks so nice from the Elvis suit. I just hope they got that little issue handled with the sheets this time. I bet you never wanna go through that again huh? pick you up at 7pm tomorrow

SWEET!!!! i talked to the PG&E plant manager and he said we could go skinny dipping in their pond again but there's no guarantee that we wont glow like we did last time. so i guess hide and go seek in the dark will be out of the question this time. tootles sweet cheeks:p

[doug969]

SWEET!!!! i talked to the PG&E plant manager and he said we could go skinny dipping in their pond again but there's no guarantee that we wont glow like we did last time. so i guess hide and go seek in the dark will be out of the question this time. tootles sweet cheeks:p


Dang it!

I vote leave it as is but thats my thoughts from a non 9 car owner.

Steve,

One thing that you might wanna try is get a set of these wheels (no aluminum)and have a "Test & Tune" day in Barstool like we have in the past and let everyone try them out and then it might open some eyes. I say no now but it just might be the hot ticket. Im open to it just wanna see it first. Good job on trying to make this class better, like they say in business "Change" is good.

sorry if this was already brought up but i havent caught up on all these threads.

[justplainnate]

Dang it!

I vote leave it as is but thats my thoughts from a non 9 car owner.

not a 9 car owner my @ss! what about that 9 car chassis you just built in your garage or are you not going to race it?

[C-nutz!]

jeff, that was unnecessary to say that! i thought we went over that chris would prefer to be called HUSKY and not the "F" word. its ok chris...he didnt mean it:D HAHAHAHAHA

I HATE YOU:eek:

[Johnson954]

Dang it!

I vote leave it as is but thats my thoughts from a non 9 car owner.

Steve,

One thing that you might wanna try is get a set of these wheels (no aluminum)and have a "Test & Tune" day in Barstool like we have in the past and let everyone try them out and then it might open some eyes. I say no now but it just might be the hot ticket. Im open to it just wanna see it first. Good job on trying to make this class better, like they say in business "Change" is good.

sorry if this was already brought up but i havent caught up on all these threads.

Yah, I'm with you on getting them made. I'm in the process of moving right now, so I will just as soon as I can. Post some pictures and some weights....as far as testing, my car is no-good right now. The thing is, I really don't want to sink money into it, if it is not going to happen, or there is not enough interest.

[MORE #911]

Yah, I'm with you on getting them made. I'm in the process of moving right now, so I will just as soon as I can. Post some pictures and some weights....as far as testing, my car is no-good right now. The thing is, I really don't want to sink money into it, if it is not going to happen, or there is not enough interest.

Steve gotta ask,, when are you going to race again cause you were damn fast!. and will these new wheels get you out there any quicker or keep you out longer while you make them, test them and push the rule change?

[Johnson954]

Steve gotta ask,, when are you going to race again cause you were damn fast!. and will these new wheels get you out there any quicker or keep you out longer while you make them, test them and push the rule change?

We are planning to do the the Jan MORE race. The wheels won't effect us coming back, but after the car gets fixed, we are going to do some testing to make sure the car works well with the way the rear geometry is changed. At that point it would be nice to have the wheels, but that's a couple of months away. I'm going to need to buy some new wheels and tires also, and I could save some money going with the 16".

Having kids is what's delaying the operation! But I think my brother and I have figured out why that is happening, and we have the problem fixed!!!

[9rocky]

We are planning to do the the Jan MORE race. The wheels won't effect us coming back, but after the car gets fixed, we are going to do some testing to make sure the car works well with the way the rear geometry is changed. At that point it would be nice to have the wheels, but that's a couple of months away. I'm going to need to buy some new wheels and tires also, and I could save some money going with the 16".

Having kids is what's delaying the operation! But I think my brother and I have figured out why that is happening, and we have the problem fixed!!!


It was not a 16" wheel that caused the kids.