diesel/ gas

[CFearthwork]

is there anyone out there running a diesel motor?
if so what do you think of it.
i have a few powerstroke motors from some wrecked trucks.
i know you can make some huge HP with a diesel but there not very high reving
i also knwo that there are turbo charges and that may cause troubles with the dust.
any insite into using a powerstroke vs a gas burner

[Wild bill]

Diesel in a stock full ok. Anything faster, will be too heavy. Your front end would grenade with that heavy engine after a few hundred miles of 3ft. woops.

[CFearthwork]

thanks just thinking outside the box i guess.
maybe out my mind to be honest.
i am a huge diesel guy and we have some pretty fast trucks.
thought maybe someone would have one out there. but you cant even begin to talk about that v8 sound they make when haulin ***** threw the woopies

[Pharaoh XJ]

There are some lightweight diesels out there like BMWs 3.0 inline 6 can be tuned for over 300 BHP & 600 NM or the 3.0L V6 in the jeep grand cherokee CRD it a mercedes unit.

but in both cases not as much bang for the buck a gas v8

[Ziggy]

Propane injection and move the engine back 10 inches and you could really have something.
My Pro2 buddy in Montana was trying to get WSORR to let him test a diesel and he bought a duramax to do it.On the duramax with the proper chip you have all the accelaraion you could ever need at half the cost of a gas motor.

[tsho123]

Diesels are the ****, try it!

[vierzwanzig]

ive been wanting to build a diesel race truck for a while.. 80 gallon cell of bio diesel and u can do the whole race no pit stops..

[TauMau]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned it, but all the buzz around the new Volkswagon trophy truck is that's it's a turbo diesel. It ran the Baja 1000 this year, but got taken out due to it's transmission...there's certainly no shortcoming of threads about it if you do a search.

http://www.race-dezert.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53530

[dezertrat82]

My buddy's just finished building a VW TDI class 5 unlimited and it also runs on recycled vegetable oil. There are currently racing in sportmans in score. I believe there number is 1402. The car is clean.If you are in the pits at laughlin check it out.

[starvenmarvin]

Yeah, i agree with tsho123, try it!

[jbarker@banks]

Actually most Duramax engines weigh about what a full iron big block would weigh. The difference is how the torque comes in. The current engines we're working with here produce 1200hp/1200lb-ft and rev to about 6k. They're twin turbo charged (legal because it's a diesel) and smoke free without DPF's on them. Here's a couple of examples:

The drag race version (this one is nitrous injected as it has no intercoolers):
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z8/cheapracer/DieselPower-Feb08_pic2_inline.jpg

The off road version (dual turbocharged, no nitrous needed as it uses twin intercoolers):
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z8/cheapracer/hrdp_0609_01_zbanks_performance_sid.jpg

[FABRICATOR]

Actually most Duramax engines weigh about what a full iron big block would weigh. The difference is how the torque comes in. The current engines we're working with here produce 1200hp/1200lb-ft and rev to about 6k. They're twin turbo charged (legal because it's a diesel) and smoke free without DPF's on them. Here's a couple of examples:

The drag race version (this one is nitrous injected as it has no intercoolers):

The off road version (dual turbocharged, no nitrous needed as it uses twin intercoolers):
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z8/cheapracer/hrdp_0609_01_zbanks_performance_sid.jpg

The off-road version? Anything dezert?

A mildly tuned Duramax is already impressive. This one would need a step up, or make that 2 steps up, in the driveline department.

At over 800 pounds, any dezert race vehicle that a Duramax or similar Diesel goes in would have to be either very massive or mid-engine.

[jbarker@banks]

The off-road version? Anything dezert?

The off-raod version (as in non-emission) could very eaisly be used in the dez.

A mildly tuned Duramax is already impressive. This one would need a step up, or make that 2 steps up, in the driveline department.
No argument here. This monster would eat driveline parts built for gas applications. On the flip side though, with this much power available, heavier drivline parts aren't a bad thing. It would affect a gas engine but I doubt this monster would even know it was there.

At over 800 pounds, any dezert race vehicle that a Duramax or similar Diesel goes in would have to be either very massive or mid-engine.

Right on both points there. Mid engine would be the way to go. Though most trophy trucks are already quite heavy (many weigh 6000lbs+ race ready anyway) so how much difference would an extra 800lbs make? The chassis and suspension would most certainly need to change to suite the new engine though. To give you an idea what one of these things sound like check this out:
YouTube - Type-D: Final run of the day

Now bear in mind this is the nitrous injected engine that's in the first picture (the last thing you would want in the desert of course) though the intercooled version performs the same way. On a side note, we might have this truck on display at one of the BITD events this year.

Now here's the EXACT SAME ENGINE from the video above but in the road race truck. This is from an early shake down run so it's not being pushed very hard. When the S-10 drag chassis was ready, but the new drag engine wasn't, we transplanted the engine from this truck into the drag truck. No nitrous but intercooled:
YouTube - Banks Type-R race truck practice

[FABRICATOR]

Interesting. That sounds almost as good as a SBC, which sounds almost as good as a BBC! :)

Hard to say, but current drivelines have enough trouble without adding Hosspower.

[GHAcompanies1596]

i would check out the new Dmax. the smaller 4.6 liter thats coming out. Pretty impressive!

i would never go back to a gas motor! in a full size. I love my dmax i have a 08' LMM, fully built trans, Full exhaust with DPF delete, Huge EFI tune ( my buddy tune's dmax's) and a drop in filter. right now im close to 515ish to the wheels and close to 1000 ft lbs of tq. its truley impressive for a full size truck. Im cant throw much more power out it yet, (lift pumps ordered) its starving for fuel.

[Chris_Wilson]

Ford is getting into the game with their first diesel. All previous diesels in Fords have been outsourced (Navistar-Powerstroke, Mazda-Courier, etc.)

http://www.pickuptrucks.com/html/news/ford/scorpion/ford-scorpion-diesel-said-to-have-big-sting.html

Sounds a lot like the new 4.5l Duramax with aluminum reverse flow heads except 6.7L. Sounds good on paper.

[GHAcompanies1596]

about time.... all the money they lost fixing the 6.0 no wonder they are hurting, the new 6.4 TT even has problems.
They should have improved the old 7.3 and it would have rocked.

[FABRICATOR]

Interesting. That sounds almost as good as a SBC, which sounds almost as good as a BBC! :)

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By "sound" I was referring to the music from the exhaust, not the concept of which engine to use.

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[FABRICATOR]

Ford is getting into the game with their first diesel...

Here's a little behind-the-scenes info...

Industry News (Diesel Progress)
Navistar & Ford Settle Diesel Dispute
January 14, 2009

The on-going diesel engine feud between Ford Motor Co. and Navistar International Corp. has apparently been resolved with the announcement of an agreement to restructure ongoing business relationships between the two companies. The agreement apparently settles all existing litigation between the companies.

The feud started in 2007, when Navistar sued Ford alleging breach of contract in a what had been a long-running dispute over a diesel engine supply contract between the two companies. Navistar said Ford broke its contractual promise that it would be the company's primary manufacturer and supplier of V-6 and V-8 diesel engines in North America.

The new deal calls for Ford and Navistar to end their current diesel engine supply agreement effective Dec. 31, 2009. However, the companies will continue to collaborate on a range of ventures, including their existing Blue Diamond Truck and Parts joint ventures.

Navistar will acquire additional equity beyond the 51% it currently holds in the Blue Diamond joint ventures, which will continue to offer F-650 and F-750 medium duty trucks. It will also reportedly assume a majority stake in the Blue Diamond parts support business. As a result of the agreement, Ford will make a payment to Navistar.

Ford and Navistar also will continue their diesel engine supply relationship in South America.

Ford did not say how it would replace the PowerStroke diesels in its line. Industry speculation has Ford possibly building those diesels at a plant in Mexico. Another possibility is Ford's Brook Park, Ohio facility. The future of Navistar’s Indianapolis plant, which built the PowerStroke diesels is also in question. That plant has been idle since early 2008.

“Navistar and Ford benefitted from a successful partnership that provided value to both companies for nearly three decades. However, it’s in our best interests to resolve our conflict and continue our relationship with each other in other areas,” said Dan Ustian, Navistar chairman, president and chief executive officer. “The next phase of our relationship is consistent with Navistar’s strategy to diversify our customer base, while continuing to provide value to both companies through our existing joint ventures and our supply agreement in South America.”

"We are pleased to have reached an agreement with Navistar that we believe is in the best interest of both companies," said Mark Fields, Ford's president of The Americas. "This agreement comprehensively addresses our business relationship with Navistar and will help both companies focus on meeting the needs of our current and future truck customers."

[jeff]

I can't help but think of that old expression... "how could it get any worse..." I don't think the Ford diesel saga is even close to being over. A good friend has 2 F-450 work trucks with the 6.4L and both have had the cabs off for extensive motor repairs in the last year. I can't come up with any sort of scenario where Ford is making money on their light duty diesel trucks when they are constantly requiring expensive repair work. An all new Ford built diesel engine sounds like another year or two of "kabooms" under the hood and another big hit to the bottom line.

Regarding diesel power in off-road cars... oh hell yeah! I wonder what the Mex law on importing 200 gallons of veggie oil is?

Aloha

[amr126]

I can't help but think of that old expression... "how could it get any worse..." I don't think the Ford diesel saga is even close to being over. A good friend has 2 F-450 work trucks with the 6.4L and both have had the cabs off for extensive motor repairs in the last year. I can't come up with any sort of scenario where Ford is making money on their light duty diesel trucks when they are constantly requiring expensive repair work. An all new Ford built diesel engine sounds like another year or two of "kabooms" under the hood and another big hit to the bottom line.

Regarding diesel power in off-road cars... oh hell yeah! I wonder what the Mex law on importing 200 gallons of veggie oil is?

Aloha

That is pretty crappy man. Hopefully once navistar is out of the light duty diesel market in the U.S. the problems will disappear. They must have call blocking between Ford and Navistar or something. Do you mind to elaborate on what the problem's were?