24 Hours Of Lemons HOUSTON

[FlyHiFlyLo]

I just talked to Nick Pon and we are doing the FULL TRACK at Houston!! Awesome!!

Yeah that is awesome! Cool! That will help us (and other cars) stay on the lead lap.

[FlyHiFlyLo]

I want to get Hotels....Nick, Fish, Dan, Mike, Fly... Two double rooms in midtown (all the bars a few blocks away) Fri, Sat, Sunday night??? Will two doubles be fine?

[dan200]

I want to get Hotels....Nick, Fish, Dan, Mike, Fly... Two double rooms in midtown (all the bars a few blocks away) Fri, Sat, Sunday night??? Will two doubles be fine?

That works for me. Just remember we aint ballers. cheap is better but full on ghetto is not.

[fishd00d]

Sounds good, see if they have a roll a way for me mike and dans room, if not no biggie.

Oh and no Sunday night for us at least, we will drive back a ways and then stop somewhere right Loomis?

[FlyHiFlyLo]

So is it 2 rooms Fri+Sat for sure and none on Sun?

[dan200]

we will drive back a ways and then stop somewhere right Loomis?

Party in new mexico!

[michael_loomis]

We could atleast drive up to my boys pad is Austin? haha

[dan200]

incase you guys missed it... we have a new pet...

http://www.race-dezert.com/forum/showthread.php?t=70552

[michael_loomis]

Were is a good place to spend Sunday night? Austin is cool.. but its about 3 hours away and not that much closer to home.

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Mike, Fish, Dan, what RPM does the car begin to make decent boost? (3psi) what is the lowest RPM we will see under race conditions? I just talked to Chris at Continental Converter. (He’s the man!) He says we will save 8lbs on the crank. We want to set the stall… Will we be getting cams later? We will be removing the lockout and setting the stall. These things ain’t cheap. Plus, we need to run his stickers. Let me know ASAP… The N/A converter is 2500 and the Turbo is 2300 stock? Get me one of these ASAP. He’ll get me it back next day. I’ll text you my addy…

[michael_loomis]

you have it backwards... the stall on the turbo is 2500 and the NA is 2100...

it makes full boost around 3000.

[michael_loomis]

and we will need atleast one room for thursday night in "Midtown".. unless fish's homie has room. :)

[fishd00d]

She lives with a roommate I believe so they dont have room for us to stay there. On the way back San Antonio is the only big city that is kinda close to the drive home for Sunday night if we want....

[michael_loomis]

actually, just looked... Austin is about 2.5 to 3 hours West of Houston.. big party town..

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Not full boost, just boost... We are actually going to be dropping the stall to boost level. This will work real well on road courses and also help use the engine for decellerating (saves brakes). The valve body rework will speed the shifts up and the lower stall will keep the power down on the ground not allowing the turbo to free wheel so to speak. We are going to put some Rabestos blue clutch packs in the 2/3 planet.

[michael_loomis]

I dont remember exactly when it hits... but when it does, its pretty much all there at once.. let me get a water pump on it.. (again) and ill let you know asap.

[FlyHiFlyLo]

I dont remember exactly when it hits... but when it does, its pretty much all there at once.. let me get a water pump on it.. (again) and ill let you know asap.

Make sure you power brake it when you go to check.

[michael_loomis]

I have always wanted to drive thru Roswell... hmmm.. lol



and on a second note.. I now know why the butterfly came into the shop to visit me wednesday... my buddy that broke his neck at havasu, passed on tuesday. :(


RIP Jason!! we'll win one for you buddy!!

[michael_loomis]

Make sure you power brake it when you go to check.

ten four..

[dan200]

and on a second note.. I now know why the butterfly came into the shop to visit me wednesday... my buddy that broke his neck at havasu, passed on tuesday. :(


RIP Jason!! we'll win one for you buddy!!

Sorry dude.:(

[FlyHiFlyLo]

I have always wanted to drive thru Roswell... hmmm.. lol



and on a second note.. I now know why the butterfly came into the shop to visit me wednesday... my buddy that broke his neck at havasu, passed on tuesday. :(


RIP Jason!! we'll win one for you buddy!!

Time to get a butterfly sticker for KITT.

[FlyHiFlyLo]

incase you guys missed it... we have a new pet...

http://www.race-dezert.com/forum/showthread.php?t=70552

A pet Wabbit

[Bill]

I have always wanted to drive thru Roswell... hmmm.. lol



and on a second note.. I now know why the butterfly came into the shop to visit me wednesday... my buddy that broke his neck at havasu, passed on tuesday. :(


RIP Jason!! we'll win one for you buddy!!

sorry to hear that.May he rest in peace.

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Okay, so I have this trans deal pretty well handled. Raybestos racing blues, hardened and polished friction plates, new needle bearings all the hipo bands, converter, we are going to clean and chamfer all the fluid passages and do the triple-x thrown down on the valve body... Now who is going to bring the trans and converter up to me????? Steak and Lobster before you go home...Fish? Mike???

[michael_loomis]

Woo.. That's a long trip..

New pump is on.. Let me get a couple more things dialed in, and I'll pull the motor back out. This thing cranks for 15 secs before it even begins to fire.. Then it's really cold blooded.. Won't rev from idle till it's warm, then when warm it stumbles hard from a low rpm punch... Up top runs good.

Mafs?

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Yes I think the MAF or look at your wire diagram... Is there a cold start injector? Or is your EGR not hooked up?

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Did you have screens on your MAF that you removed?

[Offspring]

Yes I think the MAF or look at your wire diagram... Is there a cold start injector? Or is your EGR not hooked up?

Same crap I went through on my Grand National...

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Grand National... = Bad Ass!

[michael_loomis]

No screens removed. EGR removed and blocked off.

Time to search the Nissan forum.

[FlyHiFlyLo]

EGR removed and blocked off.

That's new right?

[michael_loomis]

That's new right?

Negative.. was like that for the last race. Nothing new but this long block.. lol

Although SOMETHING had to fail for the motor to just take a dump last race...

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Although SOMETHING had to fail for the motor to just take a dump last race...

I agree

[michael_loomis]

well if Kyle ever brings me my MAFS, I can test it! lol

[fishd00d]

So this guy who is all crazy about our type motor sent me an email with a bunch of stuff about us racing but this is one suggestion he had:

"also grab a throttle body from a mid 90's 240sx with a 2.4 engine and ( CRUISE CONTROL ) only this model !!

its and extra 10 hp for a dollar or two.."

[michael_loomis]

Haha.. Ya, stuff like that is all over the Nissan boards.

4 cyl throttle body on a 6 cyl motor with boost.. Sounds good to me.. Lol

nobody has ever dynoed ANY of those tricks.. All hearsay.

[movindirt]

Where do people come up with this sheet!

[michael_loomis]

I dunno.. I turned the MAF A/F screw all the way lean, and it finally got some lights to show up on the ECU.

I need to buy the AFR kit asap! lol

[michael_loomis]

YouTube - JDM Motor

[fishd00d]

Awesome the turbo is working!

[michael_loomis]

Sounds wicked with no exhaust.. Lol

just about ready to pull it back out of the car. Fish, when can you cruise down? Gonna pull motor/trans together. Pulling just one is a pita!!

[fishd00d]

tomorrow I can cruise down for sure.

[FlyHiFlyLo]

what was it?

[michael_loomis]

Just dialing in the MAFs closer...

[dan200]

it sounds lika space ship!

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Yeah I say ditch the muffler and go strait pipe.

[dan200]

Yeah I say ditch the muffler and go strait pipe.

Not allowed. They have noise restriction rules.

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Not allowed. They have noise restriction rules.

The turbo takes care of that... 90db right?

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Does the hood open from the cowell (like the old Zs) or the grill?

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Hey, Bill is in Pomona for the next two days... He said you could bring him the trans and he would bring it the rest of the way.

[dan200]

The turbo takes care of that... 90db right?
#
# 3.12: Noise Limit: Our noise limit is 92dB @ 50 feet @ W.O.T. What that boils down to is no straight pipes allowed; please use at least one muffler or resonator. With these heaps, a single Cherry Bomb or Supertrapp is usually plenty.


Does the hood open from the cowell (like the old Zs) or the grill?

It flips back like a regular car. It is held up with part of a broken easy up and it weighs 4 million pounds. The hood also holds the kill switch.

[michael_loomis]

Meeting up with Bill sounds like an awesome idea. Were pulling it tomorrow.

[FlyHiFlyLo]

It flips back like a regular car.

Not anymore :)

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff42/flyhiflylo/Lemons%20Houston/IMG00129.jpg

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Meeting up with Bill sounds like an awesome idea. Were pulling it tomorrow.

Cool!

[michael_loomis]

Lets pick a hotel... QUICK. Pull up this map, and change "zip codes" to "hotel"

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&sll=29.692032,-95.413177&view=map&hl=en&gl=us&q=houston+midtown+zip+codes&ie=UTF8

Some good deals pop up on Hotwire... just not sure how close they are to midtown.

[dan200]

Not anymore :)

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff42/flyhiflylo/Lemons%20Houston/IMG00129.jpg
we gotta relocate the kill switch

[movindirt]

we gotta relocate the kill switch

You mean those wires aren't the safety tether for the hood? :D

[FlyHiFlyLo]

we gotta relocate the kill switch

Okay. (isn't that the gas pedal?) LOL

[michael_loomis]

Hotel anyone?

[dan200]

Hotel anyone?

I thought Fly was doing that????

[michael_loomis]

Yes... But COLLECTIVELY we need to pick a friggin place..

Fly, whats the budget?

[michael_loomis]

Whatcha think??

Best place for the lowest $$

Crowne Plaza Houston Sugar Land Suites
Amenity-loaded hotel off Houston's Southwest Freeway
Star Rating


Availability: 1 room, 10/22/2009 - 10/26/2009 Select new dates and/or number of travelers



Luxury Two Room Suite-Advance Purchase
Thu Oct-22-2009 to Mon Oct-26-2009 Thu Fri Sat Sun Avg rate (per night)
Availability request: 1 room $111 $85 $85 $111 $97.76 Book it

Prices are per room/unit with 2 guests. Prices do not include: taxes, service fees, and extra guest charges.

One king bed or two queen beds. Renovated April 2008. Separate living room with one queen sofa bed. Balcony. Work desk with ergonomic chair. 32-inch HDTV. Complimentary wireless Internet access. Complimentary newspaper. Kitchenette with refrigerator, microwave, and coffee/tea maker. Iron/ironing board.

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Make sure it's close to the bars in MidTown... 3 days 2 rooms... 6-700 bucks.

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Lets pick a hotel... QUICK. Pull up this map, and change "zip codes" to "hotel"

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&sll=29.692032,-95.413177&view=map&hl=en&gl=us&q=houston+midtown+zip+codes&ie=UTF8



Change Zip code to stirpper club...LOL Holy crap! I actually just did that...

[dan200]

Whatcha think??

Best place for the lowest $$

Crowne Plaza Houston Sugar Land Suites
Amenity-loaded hotel off Houston's Southwest Freeway
Star Rating


Availability: 1 room, 10/22/2009 - 10/26/2009 Select new dates and/or number of travelers



Luxury Two Room Suite-Advance Purchase
Thu Oct-22-2009 to Mon Oct-26-2009 Thu Fri Sat Sun Avg rate (per night)
Availability request: 1 room $111 $85 $85 $111 $97.76 Book it

Prices are per room/unit with 2 guests. Prices do not include: taxes, service fees, and extra guest charges.

One king bed or two queen beds. Renovated April 2008. Separate living room with one queen sofa bed. Balcony. Work desk with ergonomic chair. 32-inch HDTV. Complimentary wireless Internet access. Complimentary newspaper. Kitchenette with refrigerator, microwave, and coffee/tea maker. Iron/ironing board.
Loomis are you using a travel site? calling the hotel directly usuall gets a better rate. plus we gotta ask for a triple a discount...

[FlyHiFlyLo]

How about this. I get two rooms for the Crowne Friday and Sat. (leave the truck and trailer at the track) Find something by the track Thursday night (That you can park at) and we fly in Red-Eye friday morn and get you from the track with a rental car? Fish said you wanted to stop at the worlds largest ball of string in New Mexico Sunday night.

[fishd00d]

How about this. I get two rooms for the Crowne Friday and Sat. (leave the truck and trailer at the track) Find something by the track Thursday night (That you can park at) and we fly in Red-Eye friday morn and get you from the track with a rental car? Fish said you wanted to stop at the worlds largest ball of string in New Mexico Sunday night.

Sounds like a plan, I guess we will stay Sunday night now also in Houston since Loomis is taking Tuesday off. There are a couple places by the track we can just crash at Thursday night when we get there, that does make more sense and that way we can get to the track nice and early Friday morn to get a good pit spot.

[FlyHiFlyLo]

You can leave the truck and trailer at the track Sun too? Or are you staying at the place you will be staying at Thursday night?

[michael_loomis]

Crowne is awesome.. the rooms are an extra 11.50 per night if you want a parking pass, other wise its 25 a day per car.

I just called crowne plaza, and they said they think they can make room for the trailer. I have to call back tomorrow and speak with the GM.

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Crowne is awesome.. the rooms are an extra 11.50 per night if you want a parking pass, other wise its 25 a day per car.

I just called crowne plaza, and they said they think they can make room for the trailer. I have to call back tomorrow and speak with the GM.

Sweet!

[FlyHiFlyLo]

You guys do realize the hotel is 45 miles from the track? Are you sure we don't want to get something way closer?

[dan200]

You guys do realize the hotel is 45 miles from the track? Are you sure we don't want to get something way closer?

WTF? Thats far! How are we supposed to get to the track on time when we are out drinking super late?

[michael_loomis]

30 mins, not 45.

Cause a 5 min cab ride to room kicks ass over a 30 min ride. Remember Bakersfield?

You got all friggin morning, it don't start till 11!

[fishd00d]

Ya staying by the track is a SMALL town = nothing fun to do and we would end up driving to Houston each night anyways. Its a 30min drive to Houston from the track I did it earlier this year when we raced there. Crowne Plaza!!

[dan200]

ok. I'm SOLD! I like how have placed drinking ahead of track proximity. It is important to prioritize.

[michael_loomis]

Just looking out for my wallet and my drivers license! Lol

[FlyHiFlyLo]

ok. I'm SOLD! I like how have placed drinking ahead of track proximity. It is important to prioritize.


Okay so what is the word????

[fishd00d]

The 2 bdrm suites at the Crown Plaza are awesome because they have a couch bed also. So thats what we need to get for sure. Thats what the good deal was for on Expedia too.

[michael_loomis]

Let's do this.. GM says they have an "upper" lot that we can park in, or some space they usually put buses in, just gotta let them know upon arrival.

[michael_loomis]

So, recap, one room thurs-sun and a room for however long fly is there. Lol

[fishd00d]

So, recap, one room thurs-sun and a room for however long fly is there. Lol

The 2bdrm suite with the couch bed....

[FlyHiFlyLo]

10-4, one room 4 nights one room 2 nights...

[FlyHiFlyLo]

UPS man came today, I got the red rubber air couplers with clamps, the pressure regulator... I also got a new bi-pod for my .223... OH wait, do we need that? No Mayne!

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Bill's dropping off the trans tomorrow at my builders tomorrow. Rock and Roll!

[michael_loomis]

Stopped for fuel going up grade..

Good stuff! Excited for Houston!

[Bill]

Bill's dropping off the trans tomorrow at my builders tomorrow. Rock and Roll!

Is this a line from the movie Annie?tomorrow tomorrow.:D:D It`ll be there in the morning.Loomis I might be in Elsinore on Monday.If you could bring the car on a trailer to me I could bring it up here to the fab shop.

[Offspring]

Is this a line from the movie Annie?tomorrow tomorrow.:D:D It`ll be there in the morning.Loomis I might be in Elsinore on Monday.If you could bring the car on a trailer to me I could bring it up here to the fab shop.

http://ransom.sytes.org/?r=aWYgeW91IHdhbnQgdG8gc2VlIHRoZSBob3VzdG9uIHRyYWN rIHRocnUgdGhlIHdpbmRzaGllbGQgb2Yga2l0dCBkcm9wIGEgc 21hbGwgYmFnIHdpdGggYmlnIGJpbGxzIGVudHJhbmNlIHRvIG1 hZ2ljIG1vdW50YWlugyJS2Q

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Stopped for fuel going up grade..




huh? :confused:

[fishd00d]

So are we good to go at the Plaza??

[Bill]

huh? :confused:

I was thinking the same thing when I read that.

[michael_loomis]

I stopped for fuel going up Cajon Pass...

Check in on RDC.

Got it now??

[Bill]

Lemons trans is at the tranny shop.

[Bill]

Torque converter has been shipped to Continental converter.Someone owes me $15.00 bucks. :D

[movindirt]

Torque converter has been shipped to Continental converter.Someone owes me $15.00 bucks. :D

Call here for payment

951.354.7877 x103

:)

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Torque converter has been shipped to Continental converter.Someone owes me $15.00 bucks. :D

LOL... I got it... Will you take payment in the form of green???LOL

[Bill]

LOL... I got it... Will you take payment in the form of green???LOL

you know it.HaHa I left Loomis a voicemail about dragging the car up here.

[FlyHiFlyLo]

you know it.HaHa I left Loomis a voicemail about dragging the car up here.

Yeah just talked to him... He is figuring out a way to get a trailer from him to you.

[michael_loomis]

Just wanted to give you guys a HUGE thanks!

I love when a group of friends come together, to accomplish a common goal!

UNDERGROUND DOMINATION!!

[FlyHiFlyLo]

The 4n71b (4speed) and the 3n71b (3 speed) have the exact same ratios. They add the overdrive between the bellhousing and 3n71b. Proven to way beyond 500HP.

3sp automatic
RWD 3N71B = 2.458 1.458 1.000 -
4sp automatic
RWD L4N71B = 2.458 1.458 1.000 0.686 -

If you want to get crazy in the future we can eliminate the overdrive moduale and it will shorten the trans by about 6" I was looking at it today. Then move the engine back...LOL That would be some huge weight displacement.

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Look at page 2. It shows the OD section. Getting rid of that removes all of line "B" on the first page.

Raybestos stage1 blues and bad ass blacksteel frictions are going to be ordered Mon... Should have trans and converter done Wed.

http://www.transparts.ru/pdf/l3n71b_04_w.pdf

Also ordering a Transgo shift kit. Blamo!

There is all kinds of crap for this trans. 3N71B... 4N71B Identical (cept OD)

[FlyHiFlyLo]

What size tires are on this thing?

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Do you have a diff/3rd member from an 87-89 non turbo?????

If you do we can swap the ring&pinion gear to your turbo posi and go from 3:54 to a 3:90 gear.

[michael_loomis]

245/45-17

not running the LSD. It's an open diff. LSD is better for drag racing, not for turning, according to my buddy at Group 5. They raced one of these cars in a full blown racing series. Handling went away when they went to LSD. put they open diff back in, added a larger sway bar, and problem was solved. Full power to ground exiting turns.

[FlyHiFlyLo]

245/45-17

not running the LSD. It's an open diff. LSD is better for drag racing, not for turning, according to my buddy at Group 5. They raced one of these cars in a full blown racing series. Handling went away when they went to LSD. put they open diff back in, added a larger sway bar, and problem was solved. Full power to ground exiting turns.

Well there are two types of LSD these came with from what I read. One is a viscous and the other is a clutch. A viscous is always locked and ther other is clutch. Clutch will let the car roll through the turn then back on power it locks.

Is the current diff cover a finned one?

[FlyHiFlyLo]

At a redline of 6500rpm, with the tire size you have and a top speed of 110MPH, we need to get as close to a 4.56:1 rear gear as possible. Just going to a 3.90:1 ratio will be a 10% increase in useable powerband.

If Redline is 6000rpm than a 4:10 is best.

But the best setup with our budget would be 6000rpm Redline, 110 top speed and a 275/40/15 tire with a 3.90:1 ratio. This is optimum with a 3:90 gear in 3 gear. First gear would never be used over 30 mph, second and third would have way more power. Then run a 2300rpm stall. And we could lower the car 2 more inches.

However, no one makes that size tire so the next best (avalible) tire size would be a 245/45/16. And we would be leaving only 1.5% on the table with a 3.90.

[fishd00d]

Fly your driving my head crazy. Its lemons not F1!!! lol the car can easily win the way it is now pretty much, just need to get it reliable!

[FlyHiFlyLo]

the car can easily win the way it is now pretty much, just need to get it reliable!

It's 13 hours of bumper to bumper, door to door death and distruction. No matter what we do it's up to the racing gods if we finish or not... Start praying beaotch!

Lighter faster stronger + easier to drive = reliable

[michael_loomis]

Haha.. It doesn't work that way.. You just press harder on the go fast pedal!

Were not ditching the 8 free wheels from our sponsor. Car excelerates well on 15s but doesn't turn as well. All we need to do is skin some stuff, and add a rear sway bar, and were in like flynt.

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Were not ditching the 8 free wheels from our sponsor.

That's what sponsors are for... More wheels....LOL

What about the the gear questions? Finned diff?

This stuff matters for the converter.

[michael_loomis]

I'm in primm, just got my ass kicked by the Nevada desert, I couldn't tell ya.

Diff is not finned from memory, nor does it have any type of LSD.

15" wheels suck. We have twice as much contact patch with the 17s.

No RG style reinventing the wheel 2 weeks before a race! Lol

[michael_loomis]

Fly, go to this site, you can download the factory service manual.

Www.Xenonz31.com

[fishd00d]

So how are we looking on the hotel??

[michael_loomis]

I dunno.. Going to fire the party planner, he's too busy with gear ratios, and now the rates jumped!! Lmao

[fishd00d]

So Fly is there a sofabed at the new place??

[FlyHiFlyLo]

I dunno... You can can snuggle up with Tom Cruise...LOL

[fishd00d]

What a joke

[fishd00d]

Cab rides each way x 3 nights will be as much as staying at the other place lol

[FlyHiFlyLo]

It's The Courtyard. On the 288... Midtown 13 miles North - Track 28 miles South.

https://www.marriott.com/hotels/hotel-photos/houcp-courtyard-houston-pearland/

Rental car: For Dan, Mike, Fish, Fly, Nick... I was going to get a full size car. But I was thinking 12pass E350 Van. We could take the very back seat out and have pleanty of room to crash or change.

[fishd00d]

Whos the DD?


NOT IT! lol

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Cab rides each way x 3 nights will be as much as staying at the other place lol

That's your treat for us... I don't have a taxi card...LOL

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Rooms cancelled. You guys go ahead and book your suites at The Four Seasons next door to your girlfriends house... lol

I'm getting the motel 6 next to the track. lol

[FlyHiFlyLo]

We got a Charger for rental.

We also are flying out Mon instead. So we will be staying 3 nights instead of 2.

[fishd00d]

We got a Charger for rental.

Perfect you can weld the doors shut and it will be just like the Dukes Of Hazzard!

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Perfect you can weld the doors shut and it will be just like the Dukes Of Hazzard!

I just hope it's reliable. :D

[michael_loomis]

Let's see if it can handle the airtime and landings better than the original! After all, we will be in the south!

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Mike... Transport?????

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Car dolly that POS and throw the engine in the back of the PU.

[bajafox]

Make sure you carry some quarters for the toll roads in Houston

[FlyHiFlyLo]

So Chris got the converter yesterday. He is replacing the bearing and brazing it up. No lock out. We have decided to take it down to 2000rpm stall. He said with this range and the power we have this will help two issues for road racing. Fuel Mileage and also engine braking. He said this will save our brakes by about 15-20%. Also, the comfort level and endurance will increase due to using less brakes. He said the bearing in there was looking pretty knarly. Might have found a future problem early. And he said we can always loosen it up if the stall in too low.

We need lower gears. Who makes a 4:56 R&P set?

[fishd00d]

Fly we dont need to change gears in the car lol. And engine breaking is not that great of an idea IMO, I dont like having that thing rev'd high.

On a brighter note this was posted from the judges:

"Actually, all Zs at Texas will be walked right through, with the exception of Troy's Z."

They say Z's will fail no matter what so they are not even inspecting them anymore. AWESOME!

[michael_loomis]

FML.. My head feels like I got hit with a bat to the face, my sinuses are full of sheet and my throat is on fire.

I have to work Saturday, so when am I supposed to make the magical 7-8 hour trip up and back?

Fish, what does your schedule look like mr unemployed? Lol

[fishd00d]

The car is going to be slow as **BAN ME****BAN ME****BAN ME****BAN ME** out of the hole now with a 2000 stall. Its a TURBO it needs the RPM!! The motor is going to lock the converter way to low now and it wont be in the powerband of the turbo at all!!

[FlyHiFlyLo]

On a brighter note this was posted from the judges:

"Actually, all Zs at Texas will be walked right through, with the exception of Troy's Z."

They say Z's will fail no matter what so they are not even inspecting them anymore. AWESOME!

Where is that posted?

[fishd00d]

Where is that posted?

http://forums.24hoursoflemons.com/viewtopic.php?id=1601&p=1

[michael_loomis]

Fly, I have to agree with Fish on the stall. This thing is already a dog below 3k. Only playin with 200hp.

If anything we should turn it up, to accelerate faster.

[FlyHiFlyLo]

The car is going to be slow as **BAN ME****BAN ME****BAN ME****BAN ME** out of the hole now with a 2000 stall. Its a TURBO it needs the RPM!! The motor is going to lock the converter way to low now and it wont be in the powerband of the turbo at all!!

Out of what hole?

Load that POS up...

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl

[michael_loomis]

That hole exciting the corner, where all the sheetbox hondas pass this thing.. We don't pass them back till the end of the straight!

Houston is slow and technical

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Tony check your email.

[fishd00d]

Ya the car is already slow out of every corner and like Loomis said we dont catch back upto people until we almost reach the next corner when the boost is kicking in! Did they already modify the converter?? I really wouldnt mess with the stall unless your going UP with it a small amount. Remember this is not a race engine.

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Tony check your email.

[FlyHiFlyLo]

The converter will be ready in the morning. He really souped this thing up... We have to change the mounting bolts to 7/16". We will chase the flywheel holes. He isn't painting it either. LOL looks stock to me... Fish the lower stall will just open up 2nd gear lower and also 3rd. Don't worry bro... It works different than you think.

Tony is doing us another favor and picking it up from LA in the morning. Lots of guys helping out here. Tony, Bill all doing above and beyond. Awesome! I feel they deserve more than we can give them!

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Fish, did Mike tell what RG is doing?

[michael_loomis]

I agree.. Thank you Tony and Bill. Tony has helped me at a couple races with nothing in return!

[michael_loomis]

Fish, did Mike tell what RG is doing?

I just mentioned this morning that he is giving you 3 of them. :D:D

[fishd00d]

. Don't worry bro... It works different than you think.


It locks the converter at 2000RPM correct?? We do not have any power at 2000 because its a turbo and a stock motor lol. Hence why the Turbo cars come with a higher stall than the n/a cars....what am I missing???

[fishd00d]

Fish, did Mike tell what RG is doing?

Yes but he should be lending you 6 of them since we have 6 drivers :)

[FlyHiFlyLo]

It locks the converter at 2000RPM correct?? We do not have any power at 2000 because its a turbo and a stock motor lol. Hence why the Turbo cars come with a higher stall than the n/a cars....what am I missing???

Well since we aren't being BS inspected I have a ZEX system we can throw on :D

Dudes, you don't know how an automatic and converter work together. Don't worry. The power will be smooth. And this beast is going to shift firm up AND down.

Gears gears gears. Fish go to the JY and get some.

[fishd00d]

Well since we aren't being BS inspected I have a ZEX system we can throw on :D

Dudes, you don't know how an automatic and converter work together. Don't worry. The power will be smooth. And this beast is going to shift firm up AND down.

Gears gears gears. Fish go to the JY and get some.

lol ok Fly ill trust you even though I dont see how having a converter lock up sooner will give us MORE power :)

[fishd00d]

Fly get Robby to post on here with his opinions on the stall speed with a turbo and a stock motor and then ill believe it :)

[michael_loomis]

ZEX.. Ur killin me...

Somebody tell Roger it looks like we can run the 660 Patton afterall! Lol

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Fly get Robby to post on here with his opinions on the stall speed with a turbo and a stock motor and then ill believe it :)

He will say whatever I want him to, so that and 2bucks won't buy you a RedBull..... :D

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Fish are you coming out to help tomorrow or Friday?

[movindirt]

Tony check your email.


Tony check your email.

I have, I have!!!:D


Fly get Robby to post on here with his opinions on the stall speed with a turbo and a stock motor and then ill believe it :)

Yeah yeah!!! :)


ZEX.. Ur killin me...

Somebody tell Roger it looks like we can run the 660 Patton afterall! Lol

Hell YeAH!!!!



Alright I am picking up the converter on my way up to Fly's tomorrow. Figure Fly will give me the address of where I am headed after I pick up the converter @ some point...:D

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Figure Fly will give me the address of where I am headed after I pick up the converter @ some point...:D

Need to know basis.

[dan200]

We might hand out 100 laps to a randomly selected Z team at MSR, just because Hell can always get hotter!

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

[fishd00d]

Fish are you coming out to help tomorrow or Friday?

I would but this is a bad weekend i am already working at the expo and going to the powder puff race so my weekend is booked

[michael_loomis]

Ahh cmon fish.. I'm making the trek up tonight to drop it off.. Solo, and on my deathbed...

Surely you can go up tomorrow and show fly what NOT to ruin.. Lol

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Ahh cmon fish.. I'm making the trek up tonight to drop it off.. Solo, and on my deathbed...

Surely you can go up tomorrow and show fly what NOT to ruin.. Lol

Yeah what's with that? I'll buy you a cheeseburger and slerpee.

[fishd00d]

Ahh cmon fish.. I'm making the trek up tonight to drop it off.. Solo, and on my deathbed...

Surely you can go up tomorrow and show fly what NOT to ruin.. Lol

There is no stopping fly hes a professional race car builder now :)

I gotta goto storage and load/sort everything tomorrow to take to the expo then I have a baseball game at 6:30 so my day is full. Why do you have to be so far away Fly, its nice working on the car when its a 30min drive lol.

[FlyHiFlyLo]

There is no stopping fly hes a professional race car builder now :)



That would suggest I was being paid... :D

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Good thing WE did the trans! The direct drive drum is trashed! The band was worn to the metal and was cutting the drum... I'm surprised it still worked. Hoping to find a drum tonight.

How's that for making it reliable boys?

[dan200]

There is no stopping fly hes a professional race car builder now :)
.fish we found RDC banners in pats trailer this weekend if yer lookin for em.

i got a text from fly today... he claims he has invented a new kind of wheel that is "rounder"???

[FlyHiFlyLo]

i got a text from fly today... he claims he has invented a new kind of wheel that is "rounder"???


I told you not to F'n say crap man! Dude that's the last you get to come to area52.

[dan200]

I told you not to F'n say crap man! Dude that's the last you get to come to area52.

DOn't worry dude, Its not like i told em about hte exhaust that is "Exhaustier" Or the shocks that are "Shockier"....

[fishd00d]

Any reports on the car so far? How many pieces is it in? lol Pics!!??

[Bill]

Any reports on the car so far? How many pieces is it in? lol Pics!!??

last I heard sparks were still fly ing.:D

[michael_loomis]

I dunno... all day and all I see is some wiring removed.

Fly has a magic wand I guess... LOL

[FlyHiFlyLo]

I dunno... all day and all I see is some wiring removed.

Fly has a magic wand I guess... LOL

Pass door is done. Tones of wire gone. Rear deck lid is gone. We didn't get started till 4... Had to do some stuff to the house and go by the trans guy, the new drum will be here tomorrow, Tony brought up the converter with him. Went to the JY and only found a 86 300z so no luck on the gears. Oh and screw you.

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Any reports on the car so far? How many pieces is it in? lol Pics!!??

If you were here you would know.

[michael_loomis]

Haha.. right on.. just teasin mofo!

once you get down and dirty the time just FLYs by.. and before you know it the day is gone... been there done that...

[FlyHiFlyLo]

None that I can think of, saving maybe 1/2 pound of the door handle and linkage?? Not worth it at all IMO.




LOL, I think your tissue holder is in there somewhere. LOL

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff42/flyhiflylo/lemons/IMG00144.jpg

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Too scared to post pu$$$ys?

It's not my fault you forgot some $H!+

[michael_loomis]

So how much weight did you safe cutting the core support out? A pound? But the strut bar will weight 2 pounds? Hmmm

:)

[FlyHiFlyLo]

So how much weight did you safe cutting the core support out? A pound? But the strut bar will weight 2 pounds? Hmmm

:)

Weight transfer is the name of the game big dawg. 1lb up front is 2 lbs behind axle centerline.

RR is diff than ORR. Ya gunna move the batt right?

[FlyHiFlyLo]

I'll get you some pics tomorrow. Wait, you gunna get this thing tomorrow? or have you religated yourself to Scotsdale Dusche status?

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Roger... Are You racing Houston???

[michael_loomis]

Just finish the fabwork and build a strut bar that clears the motor. Throw 20 of battery cable in and I'll get it moved lol

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Throw 20 of battery cable in and I'll get it moved lol

Done like a mo fo! I have 00 welding cable.

[michael_loomis]

Fish asked him a while back, but he said he was gonna be preoccupied with finishing the new shop I believe.

[michael_loomis]

Good... Throw some crimpers in the car when I pick it up.

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Good... Throw some crimpers in the car when I pick it up.

What kind of ends do you want attached?

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Yeah, I'll just give you 20 feet with a 1/4" eyelet on each end. One for batt and one for ground.

[michael_loomis]

1/4 is too small.. Batt terminals are 5/16 I believe. Don't crimp one side.. I don't need extra wire lol... Don't want any unnecessary voltage drop.

[FlyHiFlyLo]

I just got a 45 watt amplifier and a 1gb nano to run the audio. Now you can ditch the whole CD player crap and mount it by the batt and speakers.

[FlyHiFlyLo]

1/4 is too small.. Batt terminals are 5/16 I believe. Don't crimp one side.. I don't need extra wire lol... Don't want any unnecessary voltage drop.

Let me understand this. If I send you a piece of wire 20 ft long with a crimped connection on each end wouldn't that allow you two pieces 10ft long... or 1 @ 12' and 8'??? LOL... 5/16 10-4

[FlyHiFlyLo]

This will work... Should I get some good speakers?

Apple iPod Nano 1GB Black MP3 Player & USB Cable

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemVersion&item=200392543615&view=all&tid=403764869010

RMS Power - 2 x 45w (90w Total RMS Power)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180413783613&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Yeah okay....done...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120474776094

[michael_loomis]

Bro.. Don't worry about the theme!! We've had it for 3 races.. It's played out anyways lol.

I've got plenty of mp3 players.. Don't spend money on that crap when we need an afr gauge

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Bro.. Don't worry about the theme!! We've had it for 3 races.. It's played out anyways lol.

I've got plenty of mp3 players.. Don't spend money on that crap when we need an afr gauge

Too bad... Your whole center console is gone tomorrow! LOL

[michael_loomis]

Here moneybags... Buy this... Then maybe we can finish a race!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/AEM-UEGO-6-in-1-GAUGE-WIDEBAND-o2-CONTROLLER-30-4100_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem1c0d207544QQitemZ1 20479315268QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAcc essories#ht_3240wt_948

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Here moneybags... Buy this... Then maybe we can finish a race!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/AEM-UEGO-6-in-1-GAUGE-WIDEBAND-o2-CONTROLLER-30-4100_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem1c0d207544QQitemZ1 20479315268QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAcc essories#ht_3240wt_948

This thing farttalker? Hi Five!

Amazon.com: AEM 30-4100 UEGO Controller Gauge: Automotive

[michael_loomis]

Sure...

HI DIVE!!!

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Bro, when me and Tony were at the JY we got a wing off a 96 supra. It's pretty cool. 18.00 bucks.

I also got an aircleaner complete off a 73 240z. 13.00 bucks. I'm gunna rat hole that and sell it 10 years from now on E-bay for 100.00. Or before 2012. LOL

[michael_loomis]

Or this one?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Innovate-LC-1-Wideband-o2-With-Db-Red-Gauge-UEGO_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem5635fa8607QQitemZ3 70272798215QQptZMotorsQ5fAutomotiveQ5fTools#ht_367 0wt_946

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Sure...

HI FIVE!!!

I'm wit eww mayne!

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Or this one?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Innovate-LC-1-Wideband-o2-With-Db-Red-Gauge-UEGO_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem5635fa8607QQitemZ3 70272798215QQptZMotorsQ5fAutomotiveQ5fTools#ht_367 0wt_946

For 12 bucks extra don't you think AEM would be the better buy?

[michael_loomis]

Yes.. But it doesn't come with a bung..

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Yes.. But it doesn't come with a bung..

You should have no trouble finding bung. I bet Josh has one for you>>>> :D

[michael_loomis]

I'm gonna forget you said that...

[Bill]

you girls are too much.wadr that is.

[FlyHiFlyLo]

So Mike, what happened to you today... Waited all day.

[dan200]

shenanigans.....

[michael_loomis]

Must have pretty sore arms from holding that hood all day? :D

[fishd00d]

We already have a sweet wing we just need to mount it sometime lol

[dan200]

when are we leaving? specifically, when r u gys picking me up and when am I getting home? I gotta schedule my second surgery around this... i wanna get worked on the day after I get back.....and I need to know what to tell my work about when we leave.

I think we need 2 spoilers. front and rear...

[dan200]

We already have a sweet wing we just need to mount it sometime lol

spoiler???

[michael_loomis]

Dan.. We are leaving as soon as I get off work on Wednesday, driving straight to pick you up, and then continuing on to Houston. Fish and I will take turns driving out. Plan is to leave sometime Monday morning for a Tuesday "whenever" arrival.

[fishd00d]

Ya nothing personal Dan but you are NOT aloud to drive towing the trailer :)

[dan200]

Ya nothing personal Dan but you are NOT aloud to drive towing the trailer :)

i have to eat xanax even to get in a truck that is pulling a trailer. no problem. besides it will give me time to show my powerpoint project about the dangers of hi 5's

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Worked on the car today. What did you guys do? Should be ready for pick up Wed.

Lucy yous gots some work to do.

The front core support is pretty cool... Mike you are going to trip how much more room you have in the engine compartment. We are mounting the batt in back for you. It required some fab work... Those f'n #8 screws were a joke! LOL I found the ignition control moduale... FML it was under the old batt mount. Poof! that's gone too. There is an easy 200 lbs off the car now. You are working on it till tues right? I wish we had 3 bills for a new driveshaft.

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Are we racing Thunderhill?

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Who do you have down your way that can help you finish?

[fishd00d]

Are we racing Thunderhill?

Negative, same weekend as 1000


Who do you have down your way that can help you finish?

Thats my job.

[michael_loomis]

We were busy tonight brushing up our road racing skills against 3 mcmillins, ragland, some guy named mcgrath, and several others.. Lol

what do you mean the ignition module is gone??

I got a proper strut bar coming, so don't fab that up. Fish and I will knock the rest out thurs thru Sunday.

Have your gas card ready to go with us, so we can get the car to Houston.

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Thats my job.

Awesome!

[FlyHiFlyLo]

what do you mean the ignition module is gone??



The factory batt tray it was hiding under is gone.

You don't need a strut brace. Handled bro.

There is a lot of space to move some of the other crap under the hood backwards to the firewall now. If Fish spends some time with the whole wiring deal he could really clean it up under there. With the hood totally removable now it's a breeze.

[GAME OVER?]

We were busy tonight brushing up our road racing skills against 3 mcmillins, ragland, some guy named mcgrath, and several others.. Lol

what do you mean the ignition module is gone??

I got a proper strut bar coming, so don't fab that up. Fish and I will knock the rest out thurs thru Sunday.

Have your gas card ready to go with us, so we can get the car to Houston.


Name dropper!

And what my name isnt good enough to drop?

[michael_loomis]

When you speed up a little, and get into the fast guy race, I'll be able to drop your name too..

But for now, I'll just call you French tickler.. Or frenchy, mr tongue in ear guy...

[michael_loomis]

The factory batt tray it was hiding under is gone.

You don't need a strut brace. Handled bro.

There is a lot of space to move some of the other crap under the hood backwards to the firewall now. If Fish spends some time with the whole wiring deal he could really clean it up under there. With the hood totally removable now it's a breeze.

Send pics! Haha.. I got a pic from you last night or this morning, but it was one u already sent of the pile.

[fishd00d]

Forward pics loomis

[GAME OVER?]

When you speed up a little, and get into the fast guy race, I'll be able to drop your name too..

But for now, I'll just call you French tickler.. Or frenchy, mr tongue in ear guy...

HAHA that would be a good picture! I think one of the girls took it on chads phone. Need to get him to post it.

[fishd00d]

HAHA that would be a good picture! I think one of the girls took it on chads phone. Need to get him to post it.

Its right here:

http://www.race-dezert.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=69099&d=1255448442

[GAME OVER?]

Its right here:

http://www.race-dezert.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=69099&d=1255448442


It didnt come up. try her again fish!

[dan200]

homo.........

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Trans waiting for reworked valve body. And old broken trans mount with new, lighter, faster, stronger, solid mount.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff42/flyhiflylo/lemons/IMG00178.jpg
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff42/flyhiflylo/lemons/IMG00180.jpg
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff42/flyhiflylo/lemons/IMG00189.jpg

[michael_loomis]

whoa... where'd all the grease go!?!?

No car pics? you skurreed?? :)

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Massive space were the battery and batt mount used to be.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff42/flyhiflylo/lemons/IMG00184.jpg

[FlyHiFlyLo]

More hacked out crap were the batt is going in the morning>

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff42/flyhiflylo/lemons/IMG00185.jpg

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Lighter doors with latches. LOL

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff42/flyhiflylo/lemons/IMG00186.jpg

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Hacked out core brace, headlight cans and retractable devices. With new .120 plate for supporting the 1.25 replacement support. Hood skinned.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff42/flyhiflylo/lemons/IMG00182.jpg
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff42/flyhiflylo/lemons/IMG00183.jpg
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff42/flyhiflylo/lemons/IMG00187.jpg
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff42/flyhiflylo/lemons/IMG00188.jpg

[FlyHiFlyLo]

New Tubular Core Brace. You can also see the upper hood pins on the cowel. New core brace holds the lower pins.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff42/flyhiflylo/lemons/IMG00194.jpg

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Half the pile of crap.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff42/flyhiflylo/lemons/IMG00144.jpg

[FlyHiFlyLo]

With the whole house thing I have only been able to put in about 12 hours. But it (the fab stuff) will be done tomorrow. I got the new amp and speakers tonight. And the trans will be done tomorrow. Don't let me forget to give you the new converter bolts tomorrow night.

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Oh, the stock rear wing and turbo hood scoop go back on.

[fishd00d]

Sweet so trans will be 100% ready to go tomorrow so we can pick it up?

[fishd00d]

Someone asked on the Lemons board about putting the cell in the passenger seat. This was the responce from Nick Pon:

"That said, per the rules, the fuel cell area needs to be isolated from the driver by a solid bulkhead, UNLESS it's a FIA-approved cell with an outer case and internal bladder. The FIA cell will probably be a simpler solution than the bulkhead in this case."

Here is the thread
http://forums.24hoursoflemons.com/viewtopic.php?id=1663

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Sweet so trans will be 100% ready to go tomorrow so we can pick it up?

Yup it will be.

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Someone asked on the Lemons board about putting the cell in the passenger seat. This was the responce from Nick Pon:

"That said, per the rules, the fuel cell area needs to be isolated from the driver by a solid bulkhead, UNLESS it's a FIA-approved cell with an outer case and internal bladder. The FIA cell will probably be a simpler solution than the bulkhead in this case."

Here is the thread
http://forums.24hoursoflemons.com/viewtopic.php?id=1663

Dude>>>> Those are like 3 grand. Wait, let me check my wallet.... Nope I need to buy towel holders...LOL

[FlyHiFlyLo]

On the Ipod w should put some David Hasselhoff songs... Ride in my car... That would make all the other drivers car sick...LOL

[FlyHiFlyLo]

I ordered the A/F gauge today... Being sent to Mike's shop.

[fishd00d]

On the Ipod w should put some David Hasselhoff songs... Ride in my car... That would make all the other drivers car sick...LOL

That and a few others were already on the list that has been playing at the races lol

[fishd00d]

Dude>>>> Those are like 3 grand. Wait, let me check my wallet.... Nope I need to buy towel holders...LOL

Uh ya I was the one saying we should just leave the tank where it is lol. Starting to realize how much this stuff cost huh? lol

[Tipracer]

You guys gonna be able to post/update at the race?? Anyway, good luck -hopefully the refs dont give you to much crap...It has been great watching the progress, FLY you are one BA Mofo...If you ever have some down time wanna help me with my prerunner???I can pay you with beer, carne asada and bunch of BS stories...jk have fun at the race

[michael_loomis]

Ya, I'm pretty sure we will be able to post updates ok. Thanks man, leaving one week from today, and I don't even have the motor/tranny in it yet! :eek:

[movindirt]

Ya, I'm pretty sure we will be able to post updates ok. Thanks man, leaving one week from today, and I don't even have the motor/tranny in it yet! :eek:

Until you carry in a freshly painted bare frame Tuesday night before you race on Saturday morning then you have nothing to complain about! You act like you have a job or something..:D

And yeah you better be posting updates or @ least texting me!

Car is looking great Fly! I see now you just wanted all the glory for yourself! hahaha

[michael_loomis]

Hey I've done that too!!

Infact, that's the ONLY reason I'm not really stressed right now! Lol

[fishd00d]

Ya its ok were on the same page as the SAAB team right now when it comes to having the car ready :)

[michael_loomis]

Hahaha.. WAJ. that would only be true if we wait till Tuesday to put the motor in! Lol

[fishd00d]

Its not in yet.....lol WAJ!

[dan200]

i thought they installed there motor durring tech inspection.

Tipracer, we always do an update thread when we run lemons.