John force is a disgrace to nhra

[GARY HOUGH]

He let teammate win so he could make final 10 countdown thats cheating as far as im concern he is a cheater

[formerly known as]

yOU Like that. My uncle got in his face pretty good. We'll see the outcome of this soon. Thats such BS. Force has been cheating for years. We protested him back in the early 90's for using traction control. Its a small device that Coil can pull off the engine right at the end of the run and toss it in his pocket and no one is the wiser.

[GARY HOUGH]

Hey whats your name iworked for larry minor tony was driving 94 -95 dragster in 94 fc 95

[formerly known as]

Hey whats your name iworked for larry minor tony was driving 94 -95 dragster in 94 fc 95

Josh. Im Sharon Pedregons son.

[cosmo]

Please elaborate, I watched the race today.

[ProfessionalPitMan]

I agree... but if Cruz went rounds it wouldn't have mattered... Sucks to see it come to that.. my opinion is that Hight was on a rail, Force could have avoided all that and just run him hard. Hight still would have beat him.

[racer56]

Josh. Im Sharon Pedregons son.

I thought you were Cruz Pedregons son.:rolleyes:

[GARY HOUGH]

Johh in semi round against robert hight reaction time was .208 took off the line headed for wall out of groove lost traction smoked tires let robert win so he could make countdown.even announcer said it was set up

[ProfessionalPitMan]

It was pretty obvious that it was going to happen when Cruz went out. While I think it is frustrating, I don't think in John's position, with all the sponsors backing out, I would have done any different. I mean if you lose, even the king of speed loses his backing. It is still a business and having all of his cars in he count down was important enough for him to risk his reputation. Tony knew it was coming having raced for John. But like I said earlier, if he goes and runs him hard it looks like he tried and nobody gets upset. I don't even remember what Hight ran, but the only thing I noticed was Hight played it extremely safe on the light.

[Tristar Racing]

yOU Like that. My uncle got in his face pretty good. We'll see the outcome of this soon. Thats such BS. Force has been cheating for years. We protested him back in the early 90's for using traction control. Its a small device that Coil can pull off the engine right at the end of the run and toss it in his pocket and no one is the wiser.

Please back this up with proof. As a former tire engineer for Goodyears racing division, I find this statement extremely questionable, especially considering you are related to the Pedregons...

As far as Johns actions this weekend, one could easily argue if Cruz had done better in one or two races, this wouldnt have been an issue in the first place. Is it bad racing? Yes. But cheating? Hardly.

[formerly known as]

I thought you were Cruz Pedregons son.:rolleyes:

After that.......I just took ownership of a trailer.......Thanks

[formerly known as]

Please back this up with proof. As a former tire engineer for Goodyears racing division, I find this statement extremely questionable, especially considering you are related to the Pedregons...

As far as Johns actions this weekend, one could easily argue if Cruz had done better in one or two races, this wouldnt have been an issue in the first place. Is it bad racing? Yes. But cheating? Hardly.

I dont have the protest paperwork. I was like 10 years old at the time..... But i do remember all the BS.

I agree withy you on the few better races...But the pulling over to let Robert go is just BS. At least make it look like the car fell on its face....Dont drive out of the groove intentionally when that car was running solid down that lane all weekend. John doesnt make mistakes on his driving. And a .2 light??? I could cut a better light than that asleep....

[GARY HOUGH]

You need to look at what happen at run he headed for wall as soon as he hit throttle so he would be out of groove so it would smoke the tires .i have worked on top fuel teams im not new to this i have been around the block a few times.

[Dezertpilot]

Drag racing sux, end of story. Going straight is lame just like turning left for 500 miles, get out in the desert!!!

[GlamisGurlie]

Unfortunately, once the multi-car teams came into play, it comes down to this... I've heard it talked about many times by Mike Dunn commentating on "team orders." It's all in keeping the sponsors happy... There would've been easier ways to smoke the tires - wrong clutch set up - I don't think he would intentionally go towards the wall to do that... I wouldn't call it cheating either... more like strategizing...

[formerly known as]

You need to look at what happen at run he headed for wall as soon as he hit throttle so he would be out of groove so it would smoke the tires .i have worked on top fuel teams im not new to this i have been around the block a few times.
I know ya have.

Drag racing sux, end of story. Going straight is lame just like turning left for 500 miles, get out in the desert!!!
Ditto

Unfortunately, once the multi-car teams came into play, it comes down to this... I've heard it talked about many times by Mike Dunn commentating on "team orders." It's all in keeping the sponsors happy... There would've been easier ways to smoke the tires - wrong clutch set up - I don't think he would intentionally go towards the wall to do that... I wouldn't call it cheating either... more like strategizing...

Hence why you find me in the desert rather than the strip these days. 5 seconds just doesnt do it for me.

[BAJACATDIESEL]

Well look guys ,it was a decision made on money. This isnt like it used to be where you can run these cars on 300,00 a year. This is big business and JF mad a business decision and I for one dont blame him and applaud him for doing it . Cruz and Tony had a chance at Brainard to do it,they chose not to being honorable and all . Look bottom line is Cruz is the defending champion and hasnt run all that well this year. In a yearwhere the competition isnt as high in past years Id be ashamed to be complaining about what they are complaining about. I am no John Force fan and I am sure not a Pedregon Fan (Ron Capps fan) . But I lost all of what little respect for Tony and Cruz. They wanna wine and say all the nasty and downright disrespectful things they said (callin JF a cripple) is not professional nor do they deserve to be called "true champions". If they want to beat Force stfu and race ,they wanna complain about JFR having four cars create 2 more teams ,but do not sit there and wine like a bunch of spoiled rotten brats cause you got out smarted.

[GARY HOUGH]

The fans are there for heads up racing hot who has 4 cars on one team .they pay to see racing notgames that that force is doing .all the fans want is a good drag race

[formerly known as]

The fans are there for heads up racing hot who has 4 cars on one team .they pay to see racing notgames that that force is doing .all the fans want is a good drag race

x2......

[Tristar Racing]

I just saw the replay on ESPN, what a joke.

Like I said, if Pedragon has a beef, look back and realize you should have done better either this weekend, or any of the past weekends this season. Then Force "throwing" the race is not even in the equation. The fans have gotten heads up racing all year, yet one round has supposedly deprived them of that? Right.......

On a seperate note, Pedragon really called John Force a cripple? Thats quite the comment, especially when John almost lost his life recently. If you want to call John supposedly throwing this race classless, what would you call the comments out of Pedragons mouth?

[formerly known as]

I just saw the replay on ESPN, what a joke.

Like I said, if Pedragon has a beef, look back and realize you should have done better either this weekend, or any of the past weekends this season. Then Force "throwing" the race is not even in the equation. The fans have gotten heads up racing all year, yet one round has supposedly deprived them of that? Right.......

On a seperate note, Pedragon really called John Force a cripple? Thats quite the comment, especially when John almost lost his life recently. If you want to call John supposedly throwing this race classless, what would you call the comments out of Pedragons mouth?

Ill give you that one. You dont call a person a cripple. Heat of an argument people say things they wouldnt normally say.

[Tristar Racing]

Ill give you that one. You dont call a person a cripple. Heat of an argument people say things they wouldnt normally say.

Yea, I mean I worked with both guys and never really had too much of an issue with either of them. I guess it adds excitement to the sport. The NHRA needs press.

[Offspring]

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[randy s]

cheating in racing? imagine that. i'm not a drag racing fan at all, but john force has prolly done as much to promote drag racing as anyone else out there. does that give him the right to cheat?[if that's the case] of course not, but i guarantee you he's not the only one. my questions are how can it be proven and what would you do about it anyway with a guy like that?

[Lifeflight]

Just food for thought. After Robert Hight won in second round, he said he was in the countdown to number 1. Now how would he know that when he still had to win another round? Well of course he knew he was in because he was to race John. Everyone in the pit area knew what was going to happen next. They both pretty much sat at the light and waited to see the green before they left the line. Then John just turns the car right, lifts the throttle, then lightley smacks it to give a wisper of smoke and idols down the track. Now if they raced each other, you bet they both wold have had .060 lights and ran straight and true like they both did before and after the second round............ John Force just proved in one instant that it's pollitics over racing. If there wasn't a countdown, you know he would have run for the win. But politics said he needed Hight in the countdown. So there you have it.....

[Ryan_P]

John Force just proved in one instant that it's pollitics over racing. If there wasn't a countdown, you know he would have run for the win. But politics said he needed Hight in the countdown. So there you have it.....

This is what happens when you have Fortune 500 companies and conglomerates sponsoring race cars. In order to keep the big money spenders on your side of the ring, sometimes politics is the answer. You want old fashion racing? Watch the highlight reels, because it's not gonna get any better from here on out.

It's no different than NASCAR, Indy, Forumla 1.

[GARY HOUGH]

Finally there are some other people that see the truth and dont have there face so far up johns ass and cant figure out what happen in the race between john and robert

[BALLER]

Well first, john force is not a disgrace to nhra,he is the king now and he keeps the sport going and if it wasnt for him and his teams it would be really boring.....and he and his daughter beat the crap out of most others this weekend including pedregon. Ashley set records and kicks ass on everyone.. I just love the sport, not taking sides but, competition is what you do different to win. He has four teams, three were in and one just needed to beat him, duh, we all know what happened. Any of you would do the same. **ban me****ban me****ban me****ban me**, as far as a lot of us in baja are concerned robbie gordon won the 500 (yeah i was there and saw it) but **ban me****ban me****ban me****ban me** happens.
Watch, nhra will be sold out.. Time for grudge match. Got to keep the sport hopping. My money on ashley all the way, pink car and all...

[formerly known as]

Well first, john force is not a disgrace to nhra,he is the king now and he keeps the sport going and if it wasnt for him and his teams it would be really boring.....and he and his daughter beat the crap out of most others this weekend including pedregon. Ashley set records and kicks ass on everyone.. I just love the sport, not taking sides but, competition is what you do different to win. He has four teams, three were in and one just needed to beat him, duh, we all know what happened. Any of you would do the same. **ban me****ban me****ban me****ban me**, as far as a lot of us in baja are concerned robbie gordon won the 500 (yeah i was there and saw it) but **ban me****ban me****ban me****ban me** happens.
Watch, nhra will be sold out.. Time for grudge match. Got to keep the sport hopping. My money on ashley all the way, pink car and all...

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Location: Yorba Linda

John the Mayor there yet?

[racer56]

Well first, john force is not a disgrace to nhra,he is the king now and he keeps the sport going and if it wasnt for him and his teams it would be really boring.....and he and his daughter beat the crap out of most others this weekend including pedregon. Ashley set records and kicks ass on everyone.. I just love the sport, not taking sides but, competition is what you do different to win. He has four teams, three were in and one just needed to beat him, duh, we all know what happened. Any of you would do the same. **ban me****ban me****ban me****ban me**, as far as a lot of us in baja are concerned robbie gordon won the 500 (yeah i was there and saw it) but **ban me****ban me****ban me****ban me** happens.
Watch, nhra will be sold out.. Time for grudge match. Got to keep the sport hopping. My money on ashley all the way, pink car and all...

What a surprising point of view, considering where you live.:rolleyes:

[BALLER]

The teams move to indy.... So i guess he will never be the mayor....

[jbarker@banks]

Well I don't want to sound like a total noob here but, as I haven't followed the NHRA for about 18 years, what exactly happened here? I'm not in to drag racing (too short and not enough dirt for me) so I have no idea what this is about, I've been hearing about it on the news so I decided to look up a video clip and found this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B3xZzO_74E&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Edipity%2Ecom%2Ftimeline%2F John%2DForce%2DFight%2Fevent%2FJohn%2DForce%2DHeat ed%2DArguement%2Dwith%2DTony%2DPedregon%2DIndy%2DU S%2DNationals%3Feid%3DqwEKZ&feature=player_embedded#t=306

Didn't help explain it at all except to see two racers, who are supposed to be pro's, act like a couple of children on national TV.

[GARY HOUGH]

Team moved long time ago when he built new shop along with all the other teams

[BALLER]

Well, three of the four teams moved earlier this summer, john's crew just left calif this past month.

And mr. Barker seems that all you have to do it google "john force cheating" and you will see the whole drama between him and pedregon. You can look at it two ways. Pedregon is out of the running, hummm because he didnt qualify. But if force team mate robert lost to john he would be out and pedregon in, so looks to al as if john lost so robert in, pedregon out and blah blah blah.. Just a bunch of blah blah but , as the saying goes, may the best win.. And i think this will continue into the next race.. Geeze, are we ready for danica to drive for tony stewart.. ... Gentlemen (and lady) start your engines.. Wtf...

[BALLER]

team moved long time ago when he built new shop along with all the other teams


a, no they didnt.. Just had grand opening last thursday.

[Demp]

What a surprising point of view, considering where you live.:rolleyes:

I grew up in Yorba Linda, went to school with his daugthers and partied at his house. I think he's badazz :)

[formerly known as]

I grew up in Yorba Linda, went to school with his daugthers and partied at his house. I think he's badazz :)

hershey

[Combo]

Quote of the Race:

"..my little girl just kicked your a**!" - John Force

[formerly known as]

I love how my first post is now the lowest ranked and hidden. Thats awesome

[worcs761]

My sister-in-law Karen date JF in high school. I fact he dated her sister too! Ya, JF is a bad **BAN ME****BAN ME****BAN ME****BAN ME****BAN ME** and he did it from the the bottom. Earned It, all the way to the top.

[Offspring]

My sister-in-law Karen date JF in high school. I fact he dated her sister too! Ya, JF is a bad **BAN ME****BAN ME****BAN ME****BAN ME****BAN ME** and he did it from the the bottom. Earned It, all the way to the top.

OCIR Foxhunt!!

[BALLER]

i grew up in yorba linda, went to school with his daugthers and partied at his house. I think he's badazz :)

i so agree...

[GARY HOUGH]

I dont take away that john started from bottom and done all that he has done through the years ;but we are talking now what he did in semi round at indy when he turned right at the start of race headed for the wall so he would smok the tires.look at u tube and listen to mike dunn and what he says about it he has been around this all his life

[ProfessionalPitMan]

I dont take away that john started from bottom and done all that he has done through the years ;but we are talking now what he did in semi round at indy when he turned right at the start of race headed for the wall so he would smok the tires.look at u tube and listen to mike dunn and what he says about it he has been around this all his life

Easy for everybody to say. But in all reality, if it was any of you out there with all that money on the line and trying to keep sponsers happy, you would probably do it too. Now that there is all this controversy though, Cruz, Tony, John and team should be good to go for a while. Even Tony can say he didn't lay down for Cruz when he had the chance, but neither did John earlier in the season. But with 1 round making the difference, it totally was going to happen whether it was the classiest racers in the sport (in their own opinion) the Pedragons, one of Schumachers cars, or as it was Force. It is part of the benefit of building a racing empire. Sharing information, beating other teams in the first round, and getting to race your teammate. If Cruz went rounds it would not have mattered. Like I said before, I love what John and Ashley and that whole team does for the sport. He is not a disgrace. If the countdown in all it's stupidity didn't exist, then this would have never happened either. Why not reward teams for being the best all year minus 4 or 5 races at the end of the year. The whole countdown thing sucks IMO.

And those of you who said you don't like drag racing.. Why bother posting that. I don't like the smell of baby **BAN ME****BAN ME****BAN ME****BAN ME**.. I don't go on the pampers forum and say that. you clicked it, then read it, then that is all you have to say is you hate drag racing? Minus Josh who is not a huge fan, but is related to one of the parties.. I will let you slide.. lol. Primm in t minus how many hours?

[Mumzy]

Is there a rule against allowing a team partner to advance in your place? Are all NHRA competitors required to race at 100% every round? If so, what about the guy that pulls up to the lights by himself in a TF/FC, and runs an 11 something?

You can't blame this on Force....the Pedragons started loosing that round in Pomona.

This is like blaming 42 other cars that Robby Gordon isn't leading in Cup points.

[trent06]

Just watched the youtube video and still dont understand what is totally going on as I dont watch much NHRA however, I did notice one thing! The guy in the red shirt who came and saved them from fighting......He was wearing a nice pair of black gloves....

[ttucker77]

I understand what John did, but I hated to see it. What's sad is some still think he didn't throw the race.

[BALLER]

yOU Like that. My uncle got in his face pretty good. We'll see the outcome of this soon. Thats such BS. Force has been cheating for years. We protested him back in the early 90's for using traction control. Its a small device that Coil can pull off the engine right at the end of the run and toss it in his pocket and no one is the wiser.

so exactly who is your uncle?

[racer56]

so exactly who is your uncle?

Tony Pedregon

[1fastbean]

I dont have the protest paperwork. I was like 10 years old at the time..... But i do remember all the BS.

I agree withy you on the few better races...But the pulling over to let Robert go is just BS. At least make it look like the car fell on its face....Dont drive out of the groove intentionally when that car was running solid down that lane all weekend. John doesnt make mistakes on his driving. And a .2 light??? I could cut a better light than that asleep....


I couldn't agree more. I like former drag racer and analyst Mike Dunn's open honesty on John Forces last run "The left fronts up, the right fronts still on the ground that car should not have made that move(moved towards the wall) and he was dead late he had a .209 light." Why would John Force select the right lane when every fuel car selected the left lane and had a 9-3 advantage? He said "because that's the lane I ran the best down." Come on that was qualifying! Anyone who has been watching drag racing long enough can tell he intentionally drove that car out of the groove but I have to hand it to him he is one hell of a driver. I would be lucky to have enough guts to drive one of those cars down the strip much less intentionally steer it towards the wall!!!


I hate hearing people say that Tony Pedregon is complaining because Ashley Force beat him. He was already hinting towards that issue before his elimination from Ashley. I don't think Tony has much to be sore about this is Ashley first victory against him.

[Ranch Hand]

Bottom line.....John Force is a business man that made the best choice for his employees and his family. "Team Orders" have existed since the creation of the first 2 car "team". It has occurred in ALL forms of racing, Formula 1, NASCAR, CART, INDY CAR, SCORE and BITD as well as NHRA. Since sponsorship is a necessity to field a pro category vehicle, it is necessary to keep the person paying the bills, the sponsor, happy.

Would I have liked to see them race heads up, of course.......but I also understand and respect his decision to ensure that ALL of his cars are competing for the class championship. In this economic times to possibly eliminate of of his cars and a major sponsor, AAA, from a chance to be a champion would have been IDIOTIC !!

[FlyHiFlyLo]

It's all about winning. Sorry but John made the right call... It's not about politics. It's about John Force RACING winning a Championship. I say Kudos for the wise call. When you place yourself in a position to have all your cars in the hunt you take it.

[Ryan_P]

Dun dun dun...guess who wins at Concord? Robert Hight. John Force ain't no dummy!

[GlamisGurlie]

OCIR Foxhunt!!

I went to every race there year after year... when I was 14, I'd spend 4 days camped out in the dirt by pit road in my sister's ford station wagon LOL!!


Bottom line.....John Force is a business man that made the best choice for his employees and his family. "Team Orders" have existed since the creation of the first 2 car "team". It has occurred in ALL forms of racing, Formula 1, NASCAR, CART, INDY CAR, SCORE and BITD as well as NHRA. Since sponsorship is a necessity to field a pro category vehicle, it is necessary to keep the person paying the bills, the sponsor, happy.

Would I have liked to see them race heads up, of course.......but I also understand and respect his decision to ensure that ALL of his cars are competing for the class championship. In this economic times to possibly eliminate of of his cars and a major sponsor, AAA, from a chance to be a champion would have been IDIOTIC !!

Dead on, my friend. :D And did anyone see the bad assss 4-car runs! THAT WAS INCREDIBLE!! Gave me goosebumps WHOOOOHOOOOO! Was MAJORLY bummed that my future-ex husband Jeg was out first round, but so was Greg Anderson YAY! That's okay, there's still 5 races left!!

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Well it looks like John has another Champ in his stable.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/news?slug=txnhra&prov=st&type=lgns

[jsallenbach]

Well it looks like John has another Champ in his stable.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/news?slug=txnhra&prov=st&type=lgns

Hell yah Roberts a nice guy and a good driver, Must be those clutch floaters we grind for them.

[bajaherbie]

now that the dust has settled and robert is the f/c champion i wonder if john hadn't thrown that race that maybe ashley would have won the championship? ashley didn't look to happy IMO when robert won the championship. too bad ashley didn't win the championship, it would have been good for NHRA.....

[FlyHiFlyLo]

With a championship comes money.... If you finish 1-2 for the season that a ton of cash... John Force RACING INC. made the right call.