inspecting eco's

[B-Dub 1020]

I put this here because its up to the class 10 racers IMO and no one else. I talked to few people at Parker this weekend and in the past. It was a story thats all to familiar. eco-tec motors that have total seal rings, different cam grinds from stock. Ported polished heads etc etc. They know who they are and thats not the issue here.This was about other races not this last Parker 425. The issue is that we really need to figure out how promoters can inspect these motors for compression, lift and duration of cams and any head work etc. If cheating is found it needs to be severe like that race car driver ,owner, builder ,fabricator responsible party involved should be out of this class forever.This must be done to deture cheaters. This stock sealed engine is what has revived class 10 and allows many low budget teams to race and will keep entries up and allow fairness. Its a shame that you can do anything you want ANYTHING but modify the engine to a class 10 with the sealed engine and some are willing to do this. What does the majority think we should do and how we go about it. Lets look to the future and not dwell on the past its not impotant. Please just suggest how we can get BITD, SNORE, HDRA and MORE to have the tools to inspect this stuff and implement these banned for life rules. Thanks and many have said this I just am stupid enough to put it in writing here.

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[pdailey]

Make a "engine claim" rule. Easy enough.

[B-Dub 1020]

Only problem with that I M O is some are buying new crate engines and others running $800 used. Not fair to claim an engine for less than what a stock new one cost. Many dont have $5000 to claim. If the group is bringing 20-40 class 10's to a race we should be guaranteed by ALL promoters that they will not tolerate sealed stock engine cheaters and randomly check engines for these things no matter where they finish.What would it cost to buy the tools. Maybe we could pay for someone out of entry fees to do this, just a suggestion. I think I made my point for some and class 10 racers lets hear your suggestions. Thanks P-Diddy not a bad idea.

[M.Harvey1600]

Only problem with that I M O is some are buying new crate engines and others running $800 used. Not fair to claim an engine for less than what a stock new one cost. Many dont have $5000 to claim. If the group is bringing 20-40 class 10's to a race we should be guaranteed by ALL promoters that they will not tolerate sealed stock engine cheaters and randomly check engines for these things no matter where they finish.What would it cost to buy the tools. Maybe we could pay for someone out of entry fees to do this, just a suggestion. I think I made my point for some and class 10 racers lets hear your suggestions. Thanks P-Diddy not a bad idea.

I posted in the Desert section that we had ran 2 prior junkyard EcoTec motors in #1069. the first engine blew up 2 days before our MORE class 10 championship race so CBR gave us a newly TAGGED Junkyard Eco that we ran for that 1 race. the old engine blewup after 4 races. the 2nd Junkyard engine ran good and got us the championship. But PJ and Eric at ES Motorsports agreed that we should buy a BRAND NEW EcoTec crate motor for this season... Let me tell you there is a HUGE difference between a USED Junkyard engine and a BRAND NEW engine... it had far better torque than the 2 previous engines.

we were pulling speeds that use to take a while to get there in half the time. very happy with the EcoTec. I agree it is not fair to go in and make engine changes. I have been hearing RUMORS of certain builders doing this very thing.

[Andy4]

If people are that suspicious then why doesnt anyone use the protest rule that has been around forever?? Are the racers that are potentially cheating winning any races?

[B-Dub 1020]

Yes and I wish the ones that seen the head work or cams done would call them out but thats not the point here Andy. No racer wants to be the one that protests.The point here is How do we get organized to make promoters really enforce and show they wont put up with it. Many think they should provide the tools and manpower to inforce the engine rules. Its the only rule in class 10

[Andy4]

You can do what Savage does to me. Random teardowns. Isnt it the job of the engine sealer to make sure the engine is legit? Thats why Casey appointed Turn Key for that. He doesnt want to deal with enforcing the sealed engines. So I would say if the racers supsect foul play make the engine sealer aware so he can do his job and investigate it.

[B-Dub 1020]

On the seal thing, It needs to be a unbias party teching and especially inspecting these things in engines. Not anyone that seals or does business with a fabricator or builder etc. Thats why some say banned for life if caught. Nip this in the butt and let the potential cheaters know. A dq does not detur some. Example $25 of each entry , thats $750 with 30 cars $500 with 20 at a race to check some engines. Not a bad days pay and the only overhead is the tools you need and transportation to the race for a class 10 engine inspector. This is not a bashing thread as lets not dwell on the past but handle the future to make it fair for all. Toyota, Honda and VW racers as well.

[Andy4]

So SCORE is the only one doing this right. Now we go full circle again with all the organizers need to get on the same page with engine rules and enforment. This is a HUGE flaw in the sealed engine route and only allowing 1 engine.

[craigincali]

IMO you are totally over reacting. Why would we want promoters to check engines that are sealed? It is the enigine sealer that should be accountable for this. Once the engine is sealed there should not be any reason for a tear down (in a perfect world). What is with this "banned for life" thing, really? Way off base on that one, suspensions, points taken away are fine but, banned for life give me a break.