7200 crate engine rule good or bad idea? Thoughts?

[fusionoffroad]

Anyone who is against change is ignorant and yes look at class 10.10 is thriving 7200 is following its footsteps in failure. A few of us would like to be interactive and stop this from happening. With the economic times and the available technology we need to look at these options. All other forms of racing has. Desert racing is just stubborn and has numerous unlimited motor classes which in history will all do the same thing, fail. aside from class 1 and tt there should be no more unlimited engine packages. sorry motor builders but you guys always price yourselves out of customers then wine about it. I don't think we need more classes we just need classes that make since and are manageable.7200 will self district no doubt so continue letting the big wallets drive desert racing into its age old traditions and let history repeat it self. at that point I will Finnish my truck and have a manageable reliable fast package like class 10. Flame away.

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[B-Gereghty]

(Most) of the time when you change rules it only helps the guy that is either building a new vehicle.It usualy hurts the guys that already have theres built .I.E the 12 motors I feel I am a front runner and now my broke a$$ has to build a new motor just to find out the advantage or disadvantage . changing rules that limit what we already have isnt a bad idea but taking what we have and changing rules and displacements just cost more . My opinion !!

[Jerry Zaiden]

(Most) of the time when you change rules it only helps the guy that is either building a new vehicle.It usualy hurts the guys that already have theres built .I.E the 12 motors I feel I am a front runner and now my broke a$$ has to build a new motor just to find out the advantage or disadvantage . changing rules that limit what we already have isnt a bad idea but taking what we have and changing rules and displacements just cost more . My opinion !!

How would it cost more to give people an option? The big dollar guys could still go big. The low dollar guys would have a competitive option to let them have more than a stock v6. That was the idea. Not going to happen in 7200. But will happen for another class = great option.
Now correct me if wrong but class 10 can still run the high dollar engines right? Then why so many eco-techs? Lol

[chickenlips]

Honest question, how would a stock crate motor hold up in a real race car? Most of the Jegs/Summit type engines I have seen, the "affordable" ones anyway, aren't a race engine. They use parts that a high end guy wouldn't dream of putting in a race car. Things like 2 piece valves, bone stock rods with butter bolts, hyperteuctic pistons, stuff like that. Crate motors are awesome for a street car/hot rod type of deal, I just wonder how they would hold up under real race conditions.

My engine guy, who is an old family friend, always says "Do you want it to be fast, reliable, or cheap? Pick any of the two, 'cause you can't have all three."

Ok..If i can only pick two, I pick fast and cheap. Now how much?

[B-Gereghty]

If I were in class 10 and built a big wazoo Honda it would kick the ecotechs a$$ if it holds together. the ecotech is cheaper and more can afford it . the options ( there will always be a guy that pushes the envelope )just to have the next edge. my opinion and is my opinion only is they should limit what we already have ,I.E restrictor plates like he 1600s or carb limitations ,compresion etc. not makeing people redesign the motor .if we are trying to save money,s help the guy that already has a car or truck and make wise decisions instead of killing any of the classes.

How would it cost more to give people an option? The big dollar guys could still go big. The low dollar guys would have a competitive option to let them have more than a stock v6. That was the idea. Not going to happen in 7200. But will happen for another class = great option.
Now correct me if wrong but class 10 can still run the high dollar engines right? Then why so many eco-techs? Lol

[Cheater]

I respect what you are saying and i feel you. But look at class 10 and what the ecotech is doing. Or what the ecotech is doing for our whole sport! There are many classes utilizing this inexpensive power and going faster. Why not have a truck class with good inexpensive power that hauls a ss!

Class 10 didnt just start up it just made a motor rule change. It was to save a class that was failing. Not because a couple new guys wanted to use that motor. If you noticed I really didnt care and say anything until a new class was mentioned. Why not use a 6 clyinder crate motor? Seeems that is already legal. Why do you have to get a V8? Becuase you want a advantage I already know that.
You guys dont want equal you want a larger sealed motors and thats where I think its stupid. If somebody wants to save some money they shouldn't get a advantage with larger motor.

[LaMonte]

7200 had 20 plus trucks entered for Parker, that’s a great turn out. I don’t see why anyone yes suggesting why we should change the class? Im very confused by this.
TT or class 1 not dying off so let people spend money.
The 7200 class is a unlimited class that ** ĦAy, caramba!**** ĦAy, caramba!**** ĦAy, caramba!**** ĦAy, caramba!**** ĦAy, caramba!**** ĦAy, caramba!** means a lot of $$$, that’s the point of it. Try to make something better than the other guy

I just didn’t spend the last 10 months redesigning the whole back of my truck, paying my fabricator, cad guy, engine builder, new shocks, etc just to say ummmmmm, because some people are upset other people have more money than they do.

Should Obama step in and tell the TT or class 1 guys to help out the other racers because we fell repressed because they have more money that’s why they’re better and faster than we are.
Going out to races watching UNLIMITED VEHICALS travel across the desert at not normal high rates of speed made me want to only be better, not try to change everyone else because it didn’t fit into my budget .

I didn’t have the money 3 years ago to race this class, you didn’t here me say can we dumb down the class so I can afford to race it. Nope, I went out got a second job worked a crap load of over time to pay for all the people who are doing a great job finishing my truck up to fit into 7200.

[Andy4]

Anyone who is against change is ignorant and yes look at class 10.10 is thriving 7200 is following its footsteps in failure. A few of us would like to be interactive and stop this from happening. With the economic times and the available technology we need to look at these options. All other forms of racing has. Desert racing is just stubborn and has numerous unlimited motor classes which in history will all do the same thing, fail. aside from class 1 and tt there should be no more unlimited engine packages. sorry motor builders but you guys always price yourselves out of customers then wine about it. I don't think we need more classes we just need classes that make since and are manageable.7200 will self district no doubt so continue letting the big wallets drive desert racing into its age old traditions and let history repeat it self. at that point I will Finnish my truck and have a manageable reliable fast package like class 10. Flame away.

The engine buiilder is not completely responsible for the costs involved in a race engine. Its also consumer driven. Naturally in racing the customer is always wanting more so we are just doing what the customer wants. If we dont do what they want then they go somewhere else. So to say that the engine builder is responsible for engine costs getting out of hand and whinning about it is not a fair statment.

[Jerry Zaiden]

Class 10 didnt just start up it just made a motor rule change. It was to save a class that was failing. Not because a couple new guys wanted to use that motor. If you noticed I really didnt care and say anything until a new class was mentioned. Why not use a 6 clyinder crate motor? Seeems that is already legal. Why do you have to get a V8? Becuase you want a advantage I already know that.
You guys dont want equal you want a larger sealed motors and thats where I think its stupid. If somebody wants to save some money they shouldn't get a advantage with larger motor.

7200 also did not just start up class has been here for 6 year with the revamped rules. Funny thing is the class numbers are still around the same just different names in the class.

How is a V8 that is 415 hp and 400 torq spinning 6000 rpm an advantage to a V6 that is 550hp and 500trq spinning over 7000 rpm? More HP and rpm = faster! I also did not say eliminate the V6. I said why not allow a less expensive "option" to run in an existing class. Look at ProLite class. The high dollar 4cyl is still the championship running truck at the end of the year at $30,000 for a complete engine package with high maintenance compared to the $10,000 V8 package with low maintenance.

They are allowing spec V8 engines in a 4cyl class. Why? Because it makes sense! It brings more entries and excites people.

[Andy4]

Class 10 didnt just start up it just made a motor rule change. It was to save a class that was failing. Not because a couple new guys wanted to use that motor. If you noticed I really didnt care and say anything until a new class was mentioned. Why not use a 6 clyinder crate motor? Seeems that is already legal. Why do you have to get a V8? Becuase you want a advantage I already know that.
You guys dont want equal you want a larger sealed motors and thats where I think its stupid. If somebody wants to save some money they shouldn't get a advantage with larger motor.

Exactly. Also I know this statement is a lil biast but I think its convenient that its ok to allow substantially smaller custom engines to run against the ecotec but theres is no possible way that a engine in equal size and following the same format as the ecotec is out of the question.