Class 5 only

[wheezy]

A couple of things here...

Why is there a push to make every class budget friendly for the beginning racer?

MANY of us that want this, are old, experienced racers with several championships under the belt. Has nothing to do with beginning racers. Where did you get that idea from?

I would like to see class 5 be a class of race car drivers.

Like Varshay or Tyo? Do you realize who you're talking about?

Keep it so class 5 requires some experience and talent to race and win in. Not luck. We aren't gambling on slot machines, we are driving purpose built race cars.

Totally agree, that's why we're getting rid... sorry, adding an option to have engines that are guaranteed to last, not a luck of the draw on who blows up and who doesn't. Pretty simple. If you think you can get into my car, or Jims car, or Steves car and drive it well enough to win races in this class (given that you've driven MORE than most of us in the past month) with a monster subie pusing it around the course vs that tired old beast you're used to putting around in... think again. You'll end up on yer lid.

Also, I can't remember who said it, but they said who is going to notice the difference between a 5 car with an air cooled motor and a water pumper driving by at 5k rpm's. Anyone who has been to 2 desert races knows the difference in sound between a VW and everything else out there. A water cooled 4 cylinder will never sound as bad arse as an air cooled VW. The 10 cars sound like rice burners from fast and the furious. They don't sound like off road cars. Class 5 sounds like an off road race car. A little piece of me will die inside when I hear rice burners driving by with a 5 unlimited number on it.

Some of em sure, I have to agree. But some of em, nope, not true. I'm no audiphile so my ears aren't that in tune, but Jim has the BADDEST VW ENGINE ON THE PLANET. I don't hear much difference between it, mine, and the subie posted below.

I'm a fairly young dude, and I think what makes these sealed motors much more appealing to new peeps getting into the sport is the lack of knowledge required to run these engines.

WRONG - it's money - we're sick of spending THOUSANDS of dollars on rebuilds. Something you just wouldn't understand. You think youre going to build your own engines and be competitive with engine packages from guys like Greg, Or Jason, or Andy. GOOD LUCK WITH THAT.

All you need to do to drive one of these ecotecs is know how to change the oil.

Is that bad? So the rest of the prep doesn't count. Shock tuning etc.? Geeze. You're confused.

This one fact alone appeals to someone who is lazy and doesn't want to put in the work to take care of a race motor.

Again, spoken like someone that's never paid for a race car.

Why get your hands dirty crawling around an engine cage tuning the carb

If your hands are getting dirty tuning the carb, you're doing it wrong. Packing CV's sure, but usually when I'm working on my carb I want everything to be clean. So again, I think you're really confused.

when you can hook up your Mac Book, change some numbers, keep your manicured girly hands free of grease and oil, and not get a drop of oil on your $75 v-neck and $220 true religion jeans AND keep your $55 Justin Beiber haircut looking pristine for the ladies?

Grease and oil IN YOUR CARB - I don't know what you've done to that old car of yours but I'd expect you're going to have some issues.

I've put more miles on my Baja in the past month than most of you will in a race season.

So you've done like 3,000 miles in the past month in that thing? Wow at 30mph that's 100 hours of driving. Suggestion, spend more time working less time putting around and you can afford that 5unlimited you want.

I don't currently race in class 5,

That shows from this post.

and unfortunately I doon' currently own a class 5.

Yep, see suggestion above.

I do own a really cool baja bug though. My car was built in the early eighties ( my father hadn't even graduated high school when my car was built) to class 5 standards at that time. It sits that way now.

I had a few of those too. Fun, but a far cry from a race car.

Unfortunately the car wouldn't pass roll cage specs so I can't race it.

They don't tech cages at most of the series. It's not SCORE. Come out and race. It'll be a great learning experience for you.

I'm currently saving my money to build a race car. I would like to get in a 5 unlimited, not a 5b.

Cool, you can do V2R with the other 2 guys.

I'd rather race against people that followed the rules and didn't create another class because they weren't willing to spend the money in a class the way the rules are written to be competitive.

Again, we all spend the money kiddo. Build that car, put a $9,000 engine in it. When it blows up after one race and you're scratching your head asking WTF just happened come back and lets see where you stand. Racing and "playing" are very different. Racing VW engines is a roll of the dice.

I understand most of you want the rule change so you can race more. I get that, but why change the rules of a class that has long standing tradition instead of migrating to a class that has the options your looking for already in place?

First, because things change. Just like the pans, bodys, and everything else. Secondly, there is no existing class with the proposed rules.

Also, when was the last time a top running ecotec team ran a full season with ONLY oil changes to the motor? let alone 2? I know the baja challenge cars run those subaru engines with great reliability but they aren't ONLY doing oil changes on a competitive motor running at the front of a hard charging class for a season.

WRONG - this isn't just about Eco's. The Wide Open guys do go a full season without doing anything. And the rebuilds after a season are $3K. Call and ask the guy that builds ALL of them.

Sorry about the rant and the great American novel I just wrote. I know my opinion is worth very little, but I would just like to see the class stay traditional. Also, fwiw, class 5 is the second coolest class in off road racing.A very close second behind class 11.

No need to apologize. And while you are right regarding the value of an opinion of a non racer this is American, and thank GOD we are all allowed to think what we want and even allowed to spew it all over the internet if we choose.

GOOD LUCK WITH THE "Baja Bug"

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[Ramsey_ElWardani]

A problem with posting on RDZ or any other forum is that it is open to the public. There are many people weighing in that have no class 5 car or are nostalgia fans that don't understand the expense with running air cooled engines these days. Perhaps another forum like a Class 5 only "group" on Facebook would be a better idea. Right?

The real problem is that a few of you think RDC has the attention of all the Class 5 racers and that you can change the direction and definition of a historic class. You probably don't know this but there are two Class 5 cars on our team and neither of them are interested in changing the rules!

With no disrespect to VORRA or the Texas promoter or any other small promoter - of course they will accept your rule idea, hell you could tell them you are putting LS7s in them and they would say "Sure, pay your entry fee and come race with us!" Until youn can get SCORE to change this iconic class - the whole discussion is moot to me.

Race your buggies with what ever body, arms and engine you like; with any promoter that will take your fees - just don't think this little exercise will change what a Class 5 is and has always been.

A couple of things here...

Why is there a push to make every class budget friendly for the beginning racer? Isn't that why there are limited classes? I would like to see class 5 be a class of race car drivers.

I know my opinion is worth very little, but I would just like to see the class stay traditional. Also, fwiw, class 5 is the second coolest class in off road racing.A very close second behind class 11.

I think your opinion is right on! Rep points sent your way.

[wheezy]

Ramsey, please send me their names, car # and last race they ran. I'll make sure they get on the "DO NOT WANT CHANGE" list. We have been very fair about keeping an unbiased list of who's in and who's out.

[Ramsey_ElWardani]

Ramsey, please send me their names, car # and last race they ran. I'll make sure they get on the "DO NOT WANT CHANGE" list. We have been very fair about keeping an unbiased list of who's in and who's out.

Not being rude, but they don't really care about this exercise or I would have been more vocal - more so than saying it is a stupid idea.

[steve0we]

[QUOTE=Ramsey_ElWardani;1438037]The real problem is that a few of you think RDC has the attention of all the Class 5 racers and that you can change the direction and definition of a historic class. You probably don't know this but there are two Class 5 cars on our team and neither of them are interested in changing the rules!

With no disrespect to VORRA or the Texas promoter or any other small promoter - of course they will accept your rule idea, hell you could tell them you are putting LS7s in them and they would say "Sure, pay your entry fee and come race with us!" Until youn can get SCORE to change this iconic class - the whole discussion is moot

Im on my phone so I will keep it short. I really respect you Ramsey, and listen when you speak. Please dont take this the wrong way.... SCORE does nothing for our class, most races have 2 or 3 entries and we will spend our money and race with organizations that want us. BITD said they would love to have us, so have many others.

Why arent the two class 5's on your team racing? Blown motors?

[Ramsey_ElWardani]

Blown motors?

No, normally aspirated - Webers. One Fat one Major Performance. One racing this weekend.

Don't forget all the Mexican teams with Class 5 cars.

[wheezy]

If it looks like BS and smells like BS... it's probably BS.

[steve0we]

Ramsey, are you talking about "all" two or three teams total? I guess if two are mexican thats more than 50% right? After looking at this year so far, you amazingly important score results include 4 racers, with only 1 attending all events. We may actually have more 5 racers in texas at this point....

[JRV 511]

The real problem is that a few of you think RDC has the attention of all the Class 5 racers and that you can change the direction and definition of a historic class. You probably don't know this but there are two Class 5 cars on our team and neither of them are interested in changing the rules!

With no disrespect to VORRA or the Texas promoter or any other small promoter - of course they will accept your rule idea, hell you could tell them you are putting LS7s in them and they would say "Sure, pay your entry fee and come race with us!" Until youn can get SCORE to change this iconic class - the whole discussion is moot to me.

Race your buggies with what ever body, arms and engine you like; with any promoter that will take your fees - just don't think this little exercise will change what a Class 5 is and has always been.

I think your opinion is right on! Rep points sent your way.

Total Respect to you Ramsey !!! We just wanted to keep Class 5 racing together , I think we are ready , if need be, to start an alternate class for the fives with optional engines

Thanks man !!!

[TexasBaja]

With no disrespect to VORRA or the Texas promoter or any other small promoter - of course they will accept your rule idea, hell you could tell them you are putting LS7s in them and they would say "Sure, pay your entry fee and come race with us!"
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Effective immediately LS-7's engines are acceptable in Class 5U...NAH! hahaha Just Kidding!

That would be like putting it into a BajaLite.