New score super 8 class

[pdailey]

And why no dry sumps? Cost? You're gunna pay down the road for failed engines. If a guy can't afford one when he builds the truck, race a wet sump (if they are adequate) and ad it later after the cost of building the truck is history...

Honestly, the Camburg, mason and others chassis can be purchased pretty reasonably. If a guy spends his time working (at his occupation)to make the money to buy a roller he'd be money ahead instead of being a weekend fabricator.

I think cost is the main reason. I don't know but "they" sure we're adamant about "no dry sumps"

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[CHEEZEBERGER]

In BITD they are legal now and in SCORE they have allowed them to race in the Trophy Truck class ( Riveria, Miller, Steele, Voss & MasterCraft come to mind) so, I don't see why not? Whats the difference if they race in a class called Protruck or Super 8, still the same truck ?

THE McMILLIN'S RAN THEIR PRO TRUCK IN TT TOO THIS YEAR. I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS SF250 OR THE 500.

[pdailey]

THE McMILLIN'S RAN THEIR PRO TRUCK IN TT TOO THIS YEAR. I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS SF250 OR THE 500.

I always saw a Protruck number on ye side of that thing. I did see it race Powder Puff in TT class in 2010.

[Jerry Zaiden]

We really pushed to have drysumps and I agree they are just better and less $$$ in the longrun. There were a few things we tried to get in the rules but the promoter "BITD" wants to keep things simple. I agree with their decision because all their reasoning made sense.

Now all this talk about these trucks being slow etc... All coming from people who race? Or internet race?

I feel these trucks will be fast enough to be really fun, they will be very reliable, and will be way less money to maintain. I really do not understand why some of you guys care so much when you wont even EVER be racing in this class or racing in any class for that matter? Seems to me there are plenty of people building trucks for this class and are very excited to do so. I don't hear any complaints from any of them about how much these engines cost so why from some of you? Why do you care so much?

$7500 for an brand new aluminum block LS3 engine with ECU and wire harness sounds great to me! I know for a fact you can't build any engine brand new from scratch with a wire harness and ECU for this much so all this talk about building an engine for 1/2 the cost is just funny. If it was so easy then why would a Pro Truck engine cost $20,000 or more? Why does everyone buy LS engines for their play cars instead of building one of these "hey my friend can do it for 1/2 off" engines. Everyone has a friend who can do it for way less, these are the same teams always scratching their heads on the side lines.

Point is the Ford 5.0L and LS3 engines are a great platform to have a SPEC engine TT class. This class will be very popular in no time. I have seen plenty of stock LS engines last 10,000+ miles with zero issues.

[Dirty Harry]

As for the R-8, respectfully, the Baja 1000 you guys followed a side by side for half the event.

I said, "with all due respect."

Running pump gas seems like it would be the easiest thing for sanctioning bodies to regulate without having to rely on one specific engine supplier.

[Mark Newhan]

We really pushed to have drysumps and I agree they are just better and less $$$ in the longrun. There were a few things we tried to get in the rules but the promoter "BITD" wants to keep things simple. I agree with their decision because all their reasoning made sense.

Now all this talk about these trucks being slow etc... All coming from people who race? Or internet race?

I feel these trucks will be fast enough to be really fun, they will be very reliable, and will be way less money to maintain. I really do not understand why some of you guys care so much when you wont even EVER be racing in this class or racing in any class for that matter? Seems to me there are plenty of people building trucks for this class and are very excited to do so. I don't hear any complaints from any of them about how much these engines cost so why from some of you? Why do you care so much?

$7500 for an brand new aluminum block LS3 engine with ECU and wire harness sounds great to me! I know for a fact you can't build any engine brand new from scratch with a wire harness and ECU for this much so all this talk about building an engine for 1/2 the cost is just funny. If it was so easy then why would a Pro Truck engine cost $20,000 or more? Why does everyone buy LS engines for their play cars instead of building one of these "hey my friend can do it for 1/2 off" engines. Everyone has a friend who can do it for way less, these are the same teams always scratching their heads on the side lines.

Point is the Ford 5.0L and LS3 engines are a great platform to have a SPEC engine TT class. This class will be very popular in no time. I have seen plenty of stock LS engines last 10,000+ miles with zero issues.

It is only from a realistic point of view that I have anything to say about it. I have a great Class 8 that would be great for the class, but I wouldn't put a 500HP crate engine in it. Secondly, I have been watching the "mini truck" classes grow to the point that I can't even keep up. How many are there now? So here we go with the big trucks... Guys will be content until the engine become a problem or people cheat. The Org's cant even agree on the ECU's. so down the line someone will pass the lackadaisical tech at some event and he will have a hot rod tune, win and there will be a "hot thread" on RDC about how a team cheated and how some older guy lost on his B-Day to a cheater...

Anytime there is a spec class there is either blatant cheating or someone know that there is cheating, even when there may not have been. Limit the fuel, "spec" a resrtictor plate and let them race... since when was racing ever "inexpensive"?

My point can be illustrated by the birth of TT. Class 1 was "Unlimited". trucks began racing in it and the "unlimited" guys started whining and it has been down hill ever since... Make a big truck pro class and a big truck sportsman class, same for the "mini trucks" and have some big classes once again, rather than a watered down field. If Volkswagen wants to bring their factory vehicles over to race the 500, don't make a class for them!

[FlyHiFlyLo]

We really pushed to have drysumps .

First off don't be play'n that internet card... Because the first thing I will ask you is how many engines have you built Jerry? And we both know that answer. So how dare you come on the internet and dictate any engine specs with ZERO engine building experience. I just showed you what a few thousand dollar 'Built SBC' can do to a LS-3. Second, my main point is this is just another Fuqing class we *(That's right the lame spectating fan) don't need. The promoters are willing to "always make room for the little guy" Well this class isn't for "The Little guy" nore is any G'damned class created in the last decade. Infact, make that decades....

[Jerry Zaiden]

It is only from a realistic point of view that I have anything to say about it. I have a great Class 8 that would be great for the class, but I wouldn't put a 500HP crate engine in it. Secondly, I have been watching the "mini truck" classes grow to the point that I can't even keep up. How many are there now? So here we go with the big trucks... Guys will be content until the engine become a problem or people cheat. The Org's cant even agree on the ECU's. so down the line someone will pass the lackadaisical tech at some event and he will have a hot rod tune, win and there will be a "hot thread" on RDC about how a team cheated and how some older guy lost on his B-Day to a cheater...

Anytime there is a spec class there is either blatant cheating or someone know that there is cheating, even when there may not have been. Limit the fuel, "spec" a resrtictor plate and let them race... since when was racing ever "inexpensive"?

My point can be illustrated by the birth of TT. Class 1 was "Unlimited". trucks began racing in it and the "unlimited" guys started whining and it has been down hill ever since... Make a big truck pro class and a big truck sportsman class, same for the "mini trucks" and have some big classes once again, rather than a watered down field. If Volkswagen wants to bring their factory vehicles over to race the 500, don't make a class for them!

This is exactly why BITD went the route they did with only 1 engine guy, must be a brand new in the crate engine, and only Turnkey can tag it and check it. All Turnkey needs to do is plug in the computer to the top 3-5 guys and check the MAP very easy. Turnkey has a password protected ECU so it is very easy to check. These ECU's are Mapped to run on pump gas so correct me if I am wrong but race gas will burn slower and make less power?

Either way this really makes sense to me for guys who want to run a class where the competition comes from the racing not how much $$$ you spend on an engine.

[Jerry Zaiden]

First off don't be play'n that internet card... Because the first thing I will ask you is how many engines have you built Jerry? And we both know that answer. So how dare you come on the internet and dictate any engine specs with ZERO engine building experience. I just showed you what a few thousand dollar 'Built SBC' can do to a LS-3. Second, my main point is this is just another Fuqing class we *(That's right the lame spectating fan) don't need. The promoters are willing to "always make room for the little guy" Well this class isn't for "The Little guy" nore is any G'damned class created in the last decade. Infact, make that decades....

1) Do you race?
2) Are you now a race engine builder? If so please show me what you have built because I have no idea...
3) You built a SBC that would hold up in a TT? or is that a car?
4) Are you going to build a 6100 truck? If not then why do you even care or get involved in this anyways?

Now I have never in my life built an engine personaly but I have been around it long enough to know what it takes. I have learned a lot over the last 3 years TRYING to make a race engine last in a TT. What I found is this...

1) You need to spend around $70,000 - $100,000 on an 8 stack injected 454ci engine built by either Kroyer, Dugan, or Patton. PERIOD! If you want to WIN.
2) I can't afford this so a stock LS3 sounds really really good to me.
3) I will be very honest with everyone if it has issues and will not back this class if we have issues. But I really do not think we will have issues seeing so many of our customers install LS1, 2 and 3 engines in their 5000+ lb trucks with ZERO issues when they are brand new not built out of scretchy used parts or by their buddy.

[DanMcMillin]

THE McMILLIN'S RAN THEIR PRO TRUCK IN TT TOO THIS YEAR. I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS SF250 OR THE 500.

They raced the PT as a PT at the SF Challenge of Champions because Jessica was going for the Championship and the TOYOTA Milestone award. We didn't race any TT that race, just the Class 1, 1600 and PT. Andy drove part of it since it was a hot one, as well as Scott. I liked that race though, worked out nicely!!

They ditched it this year for many reasons but for one there was no one in the class and they wanted to focus on the Trophy Truck program. Jessica rides in the Trophy Truck now, which would sounds better than a ProTruck anyways in my opinion! LOL