Class 8 frame rail rules

[Ramsey_ElWardani]

I am going to say I think that 7 truck is illegal for the same reason. Also, I have never seen a stock ranger frame where the rear of the frame sits that much higher than the front of the frame when the center is parallel to the ground. None of these cheating tactics are new to these truck classes. They were all tried and used back in the day but DQ’ed when caught and when the Manufactures were involved the classes were well policed. Now it seems that everyone thinks they can get away with bending the rules and chassis. We will see!

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[gwm]

Wow, I guess you can't notch the frame but you can bend it 15 or 20 degrees. I just don't understand it. Larry can win with a legal truck; why do that?

DISCLAIMER: For those of you who would immediately jump on me for making judgments from a rumor and a picture you're right, I am assuming the poster is correct in identifying the owner of the truck and that the attitude of the frame rails is not an optical illusion.

[Josh_K]

Dude, Do you have copy right on that disclaimer? I like it.

And I dont think its a optical illusion.

[scottm]

OK, there seem to be two different trends going on here. Small timers like me wonder if a little trimming in the front is legal, while the big time teams are making tt's with a picture of a frame rail taped into the chassis! Are the race org's looking the other way on purpose so the 7/8 classes continue to advance? That would make some sense, because they may think tt is getting too big. The rules dont clearly disallow the raised rails, so they need to be more specific before the psudo-tt movement goes much further.

[Ramsey_ElWardani]

The rules dont clearly disallow the raised rails, so they need to be more specific

Mounting location (vertical, horizontal, lateral) in relation to frame and mounting method on frame must remain original stock. The measurement from the center line of the front spindle to the back of the B‑pillar post must remain stock ±1".

How much more specific do you need them?

[Ryan_P]

But a question to all you Class 8 guys, how often do they pull out the tape measure at the finish lines and measure the width, stock relations, or better yet, do they(Race Org.) even have all the "stock measurements" written down to check them with?

-Ryan

[scottm]

How much more specific do you need them?

I know what you mean Ramsey. There is the spirit of the law, then there is the letter of the law. The known inconsistencies in the rules, plus the fact that some apparent violations have been allowed, gives people confidence to experiment. I talked to Jeff Geiser at their xmas party yesterday about this. We were looking at the pappas and beer truck, and I asked him if the seats being right on the frame rail was legal. He said there's nothing in the rules that says its not, plus Ramondes' truck has been like that for 5 years with no problems.

I think it is vague enough to require clarification, but I don't really mind what they are doing either. What will it take to get a review? No one wants to make a protest at a race. Won't the org's take this on and spare a racer the pressure of making a protest?

[NorCal_Prerunner]

It bums me out to see a driver like Rossler having his frame rails kicked up like that. Building my new 7 open truck, built to the rulebook, just makes me wonder why I didn't pie cut the frame to gain another 3 or more inches of up travel or why I didn't do a body drop, ect.

It's the same thing with 7 Open. Look at Larry Roseler's new 7 truck, seats are ontop of the frame rails as well. Also a picture of another 7 Open truck just recently built. Look at the difference in frames from the cockpit rearward.

[Solo1469]

i think that rodrigos truck should be allowed to race in class 8. just like in the class 8 vs. class 10 thread, newhan said that if that truck is allowed to race, he will build a class 8. I'm with mark, we'll build one too. there needs to be somewhere in the middle, trophy truck is too expensive, pro-truck is right there with it because you cant just build your own pro-truck, you have to buy the chassis. I think that the average fab shop could build an race a competitive 8 truck and be successful. So why not open up the rules a little bit so more people will be inspired to build something new.

mike @ desertworks

[Josh_K]

Solo, I agreee with every thing you just said and that is why I love and race in class 8. What I dont understand is why if we allow illegal or change the rules to suite illegal trucks would it interest you to build one? I wondered the same thing when Mark said it.

I personally dont think slanting the frame is worth obsleting EVERY leagally built class 8 out there just to atract a few more people to the class. And if you spend some time working on you shock valving and build it wilth the closest to perfect suspention gomitry as you can it will be way fast.

Why should all the legal Class 8 owners allow this? Please give me some reasons.

I need to build a new chassis and slanting the frame at the onset doesnt cost a thing, but where does it stop. The next thing will be fuel injection or if I could move the engine back, and why do we have frames aft of the cab any way?