Spend an hour on this site U will B F'n MAD!!!!!

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Everything you ever wanted to know about what IAs really cost you and me.

Federation for American Immigration Reform F.A.I.R....

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServe...bout_about1241

But for a real tittwister look at; Education, Welfare and Economic impact. If you have children you will be double POed.

Some of the topics this site goes into detail about are listed below.

Why America Needs an Immigration Time-Out
U.S. Commission on Immigration Reform Recommendations
Chain Migration
The Nuclear Family: A Matter of Fairness
The Truth About Employment-Based Immigration
How Guestworker Programs Harm America
Visa Waiver Program
What to Do About Refugees?
Asylum Reform
H-1B Visas: Harming American Workers
Visa Lottery System
Million Dollar Visas
Immigration & Trade Agreements
Illegal Immigration
Employment Document Verification: Key to a Legal Workforce
What's Wrong With Illegal Immigration
Illegal Immigration is a Crime
How Many Illegal Aliens?
Why Amnesty Isn't the Solution
How to Stop Illegal Immigration
Employer Sanctions
Immigration Law Enforcement by Local Agencies
Preventing Visa Overstays
Border Patrol Operations
Section 245(i): "Adjustment of Status" Mini-Amnesty
Anchor Babies: The Children of Illegal Aliens
Non-Cooperation Polices: "Sanctuary" for Illegal Immigration
Taxpayers Should Not Have to Subsidize College for Illegal Aliens
Matricula Consular ID Cards
How Day Laborer Hiring Sites Promote Illegal Immigration
Social Security Funds for Illegal Aliens?
Distribution of the Illegal Alien Population
The Law Against Hiring or Harboring Illegal Aliens
How to Report Illegal Immigration
National Security
Immigration and National Security
Immigration Reforms to Combat Terrorism
Automated Entry-Exit System: Key to National Security
Driver's License Security
The Need for Secure Identification
Guiding Principles for Driver's License Reforms
What Makes Identification Document Secure?
FAIR's Comprehensive Document Security Proposal
Abolish the Visa Waiver Program
Identity and Immigration Status of 9/11 Terrorists
Chronology of Terror
Labor and Economics
Immigration and the Economy
The Cost of Immigration
Immigration and Job Displacement
Lower Wages for American Workers
The Truth About Employment-Based Immigration
Immigration and Welfare
How Guestworker Programs Harm American Workers
What's Wrong With the Proposals for a New Guestworker Program?
Perpetual Poverty in Agricultural Labor
H-1B Visas: Harming American Workers
Why the IT Industry Doesn't Need More H-1B Workers
Lack of Employment Visas Shows Myth of High-Tech Labor Shortage
L Visas: Big Business's New Loophole for Displacing American Workers
National Research Council Report on Tech Workers
National Academy of Sciences Immigration Study
Environment
Questions And Answers on Immigration and the Environment
The Population-Environment Connection
Immigration & U.S. Water Supply
Immigration and Urban Sprawl
Traffic Congestion
How Immigration Hastens Destruction of the Environment
Immigration and Population Growth
More is Not Necessarily Better
Why Environmentalists Support Immigration Reform
How do Enivronmental Groups Rank Regarding Immigration?
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Immigration and Society
Immigration and School Overcrowding
Immigration and Poverty
Immigration and Income Inequality
Immigration and Welfare
How Mass Immigration Affects American Minorities
Brain Drain
Criminal Aliens
Immigration and Crowded Housing
How Mass Immigration Impedes Assimilation
Non-Citizen Voting in Federal Elections
DOING RESEARCH
Immigration Basics
Questions and Answers About Immigration
The Case for Immigration Reform
Immigration's Impact on the United States
Overview of Annual Immigration
Mass Immigration Soaring Since 2000
Unlimited Immigration?
Immigration Now and Then
Immigration Levels in Historical Perspective
Synopses of Modern Immigration Laws
U.S. Immigration History
How the Immigration Law Went Wrong
Chain Migration
The Truth About Employment-Based Immigration
Self-Sufficiency Screening for Immigrants and Sponsors
Nonimmigrant Visa Types
A Look at Refugee and Asylum Numbers
Foreign Students in the United States
Temporary Protected Status
How Guestworker Programs Harm America
Naturalization
Dual Nationality
Public Opinion Polls on Immigration

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[elqdeasu]

Yeah that's a hate-site alright. I'm sure you can find websites that hate on just about every subject and they all stretch the truth (and yes, I'm sure that a limited amount of the content is true). I don't like the way that some people are trying to turn RDC into a hate-site though. That's what makes me F'n MAD!!!!!

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Whatever - General Discussion- is the perfect place for this kind of stuff. One thing I noticed about the site is they have Ref material for every stat they indicate.

This is a pretty cool topic on that site. It shows how lopsided the immagration is from one country to the next.

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServe...suecentersb8ca


The long laundry list of topics on this site shows exactly what my government is up against. It will not be an easy task. One thing for sure tho, If there is one tiny restriction other than handing out instant citizenship there will be 12 million foreginers running mad in my streets.

I don't see a problem discussing this major problem as long as it doesn't get immature and ugly.

[Brandon_Charley]

Its not RDC that's changing, its the country and the people in it. And yes, its changing for the better, in ten years we will either be required to speak Spanish to use public facilities, or we will have to explain to children what an illegal was. Their will be no middle ground.

Yeah that's a hate-site alright. I'm sure you can find websites that hate on just about every subject and they all stretch the truth (and yes, I'm sure that a limited amount of the content is true). I don't like the way that some people are trying to turn RDC into a hate-site though. That's what makes me F'n MAD!!!!!

[elqdeasu]

I got a little carried away so I have to retract part of my comment. Actually, the conversations here on RDC don't get immature and ugly too often. The conversations here are more restrained and informative than on other sites. Thank you all for that.

[Tom_Willis]

Thanks for the link. Should be mandatory reading for every legal citizen in this country.

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Thanks for the link. Should be mandatory reading for every legal citizen in this country.

Your welcome. Agreed!

[Vtr_Racing]

There is another group out there that has been in the media as of late. "MECHA" Not sure about those folks but seems to me they are a bit on the fringe.

[SunsetCliffsMocos]

If the website Fly posted a link to made you mad, five minutes of research into MECHA will make your blood boil!!! My opinion of that group will not be posted publicly as I may lose my temper....

[C. Bucher]

MEChA

Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan.

It was an organization started on the premise of educating other chicanos. People like Rodolfo "Corky" Gonzalez, Edward Roy Ball and Reies Lopez Tijerina created groups and organizations like the CSO (Community Service Organization), MEChA, LULAC (League of United Latin American Citizens) MAYO (Mexican American Youth Organization), MALDEF (Mexican American Legal Defense Fund, similar to the NAACP) and schools like Escuela Tlateloco for the purpose of educating Chicanos about where they came from, who they were, and what they wanted as far as equality and treatment within the United States. These groups pushed for economic advancement of the Chicanos, Chicano studies programs in schools, and were responsible for lobbying for services and other civic amenities like public swimming pools, dance halls as well as funding for educational materials and what not.

Rodolfo Gonzalez wrote a poignant book/poem entitled, I am Joaquin/Yo Soy Joaquin that explains his plight living in the "Gringo's World." The book basically goes on to include Gonzalez self-discovery of what it means to be Chicano and deals with his feelings in regard to that. The book, in so many words, explains that many like Gonzalez for so long didn't know who they were as a people and or how they were supposed to fit into the world in which they lived. Racial predjudice and a lack of economic opportunities dicated the types of lives people like Gonzalez were to lead. Victor Villasenor, in his book, Rain of Gold, talks about his father's own ordeal in attempting to rent a home in order to set up his illegal alcohol distillery. His father, who's certainly and already afluent Mexican American from his distillery during the time of Prohibition, dressed well and in a new Mercury coupe, cannot find a single agent who would be willing to rent to him based on his ethnicity. Finally, filled with frustration, he tries one last agent and is successful but only after telling the rental agency that he's indeed Greek, not Mexican. Later, when trying not to arouse suspicion about what he's doing in the home, he is able to move his distillery into the new home by disguising himself as a poor Mexican plumber. If you can't figure that one out, dont read any further.

Other groups like UFW (United Farm Workers) union, though often questioned about misappropriations and questionable acts, did in fact cause for major reform and advancement of Chicano's labor rights. In 1966, Cesar Chavez and Co. we're able to successfuly negotiate the first Collective Barganing Agreement with Schenley Vineyards ending the strike and thus instituting the very first contract ever written between farm laborers and an agricultural corporation. Chavez and the UFW, with the help of MALDEF were also able to successfully argue in Supreme Court for the abolition of "El Cortido" (short-handled hoe) as it had a long history of crippling affects on generations of farm workers. "El Cortido" was proven to have caused degenerative effects ending most farm workers ability to labor at an average of forty years of age.

What many dont realize is that so many of the Mexican and Iberian American families who live here today who immigrated into the United States did so on an invitational basis. Not only did the revolution during the early part of the 1900's drive many Mexican families out of Mexico, the American owned industries that ran rampant throughout Mexico encouraged even further issues with the Mexican people and their government. Mexico was and in some cases still is more concerned with the desires of foreign business than it is with its own people. We're talking about a misplaced people.

I'm not offering an opinion about the immigration issue at hand. That's a very difficult issue to deal with entirely. I feel we certainly cannot grant amnesty to the Government's (admitted) 11 million immigrants, though we also cannot expect to deport them either. Anyone care to take a guess how many miles of Greyhound buses that would take?? I do feel, however, that after having studied the issues of Mexico and its people for the past two years that I've begun to take on a unique perspective of the Mexican people. Most will often criticize the group as being lazy and apathetic to the extent that they've caused their own demise. The people of Mexico simply do not have the power to cause their Government to act in their favor. The Aztecs were the same way as were the Europeans. Really when you think about it aren't we as well?

Take it for what it is and do your own research. Websites like that only contribute to the diminishing respect that Mexicans and other Iberians have earned for themselves over the last century. Sorry for the long post, but it does somewhat strike a chord with me.