Sad day for class 10....

[Demp]

I didnt have much trouble passing you at Henderson with the current air cooled rules. Oh yeah I went there! LOL.

Leave the rules alone. VW and Honda motors both have their areas where they do really well. For example a drag race. My VW will pull off the start (more Torque). The hondas will pull on the top end (more HP). My Car can do 100mph. Hutchins Im guessing 115mph. Does that bother me? Answer: No. Reason: how many times do you go over 90mph in a desert race in class 10? Answer: Not that often.

Yes I will be at Parker.

Bring the HEAT SON!!! BRING IT!!!!!!!!!!

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[BITD_1021]

I didnt have much trouble passing you at Henderson with the current air cooled rules. Oh yeah I went there! LOL.

Leave the rules alone. VW and Honda motors both have their areas where they do really well. For example a drag race. My VW will pull off the start (more Torque). The hondas will pull on the top end (more HP). My Car can do 100mph. Hutchins Im guessing 115mph. Does that bother me? Answer: No. Reason: how many times do you go over 90mph in a desert race in class 10? Answer: Not that often.

Yes I will be at Parker.

50+ HP difference. You're comparing your single seat air-cooled to a Honda. Fair enough. When most of the cars in class 10 are 2-seat cars they're carrying 400+ lbs more than you. For the majority 2-seat cars 50 HP means 15 mph on the top. In a head wind 25% more HP gets you down the road a whole lot faster and farther than 25% less HP. Bottom-end torque is great. Honda's are getting just as much torque or more than air-cools today.

Steve 1021

[egert]

cj and woodward why dont you guys come to parker and race

[BITD_1021]

Wow CJ! arnt you glad you started this thread again? So your car doesnt have to work great or drive good or be preped well, it just has to have one of those million dollar engines in it and a monkey driving apperently. What an incredible waste of last season we had. All that work that we didnt have to do! Hey.....How many miles did you go between engine preps last season again??? I forget if it was a 1000 or 1200? Wasnt that the milestone award you got also? Must just be that engine! Lets mount that engine in my Scion XB and race BAP. You should be able to spank everyone? Everyone knows engines are what win races not anything else![/QUOTE]


Kreger you're missing the point. The rules are skewed in class 10/1000. A lot has changed in the past 5 years. The two seat rules are no good today. Ashcrafts car was built around a Type I motor. Ultra lite and probably weights 1800 lbs or less. Air-cooled motors are still at a disadvantage. I think single seat class 10/1000 air-cools should be allowed 2.0L and two-seat air-cools 2.2L. Might give us an additional 20-25 HP needed to compete with Hondas. Still way short of 50 HP but better than nothing. Obviously we can’t build cars any liter so instead of compromising structural integrity, give air-cools 200 more cc’s.
Do the math. Compare any two cars you’ve built in the past. Air-cooled to a Honda. What’s the Power to Weight ratio on those cars? Even though the Honda might weigh 200-250 lbs more the Power-to-Weight ratio is at an advantage to the Honda. Air-cools can’t get liter so how much more cc’s can we have to make the class competitive again?

A couple years ago at Laughlin, after day 1, a class 10 car was 3rd OA. Beaten only by Herder and a trophy truck. The 10 car had a Honda motor and if you asked the racer how he finished the first day 3rd OA he’d tell you 200 HP and lite weight. Power to weight ratio.

I’m trying to start an intelligent discussion on people’s thoughts in changing the class 10/1000 rules. Try not to bash me and I won’t bash you. A change would bring more cars back to the class both old and new. There might even be an opportunity for builders to build new class 10/1000 cars. I’m sure the engine builders would love the change. More $$$ for them too. That’s my 2 cents and I’m sticking to it.

Steve 1021

[J.COLEMAN]

A couple years ago at Laughlin, after day 1, a class 10 car was 3rd OA. Beaten only by Herder and a trophy truck. The 10 car had a Honda motor and if you asked the racer how he finished the first day 3rd OA he’d tell you 200 HP and lite weight. Power to weight ratio.


Steve 1021[/QUOTE]

I dont have the time to research to much, however I am sure Ashcraft could help me out, what was your lap time at Primm this year? How did you stack up to the class 1 and trophy truck guys? If i remember correctly your lap time was one of the fastest? Also didnt that car, race in class 1 (with hardesty) at the baja 500 a few years ago and finish really well?
Yeah, your right steve those air cooled motors do need more hp! I am not trying to bash you however I race with CJ and I know that every race we have to "Drive" as hard as we can to compete. Its still a drivers class, air cooled or not!

[Tipracer]

So what do the motor builders say??? How much hp can they get out of a 2l or a 2.2l motor? And I guess it might be important to know how much that will run and life expectancy.

[C.J. Hutchins]

WOW talk about a thread getting off topic! I was kinda just asking where everyone was at, not lets start the air cooled water cooled battle again! Carrerars and Canadae should man up and come to BAP. laughlin was fun when it was the bigger 13 mile course, but now, it just isnt too fun in a limited car in my opinion. You want to come race a fun race that has competition (unless you are going to laughlin for the lack of competition in cl. 10), thats actually in the desert, come to BAP!! That goes for you too Ashcraft! But to address the digression of this thread, I don't think the engine rules have anything to do with the lower car counts, leave the rules alone.

[C.J. Hutchins]

we go anywhere from 1,200-1,500 RACE miles on a motor before it goes back.

[egert]

i think bap is alot of fun but why not race parker it long and alot of fun a real desert race

[Demp]

i think bap is alot of fun but why not race parker it long and alot of fun a real desert race

CJ has a championship to defend!