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[RacnCPA]

For those who receive San Diego Off Road Magazine or for those who don't,
there is a large article (2 pages) in there about "Ocotillo Wells and the
Prerunner Problem"

Check out the parts in bold print "There is trail etiquette that is
commonly practiced at Ocotillo Wells but the Prerunner crowd doesn't seem to
know it or care about it!"

It goes on to talk about how the kids in the trucks and their passing small
children on 50's at speed. Along with some chick who passed the writer at a
high rate of speed then crashed her truck.

Just remember "their" eyes are on us all the time. Looking for everything they can use against us. Save the racing for the race track and just have fun safely. I'd like to continue using the deserts for a long time to come and it's not going to be that way if this keeps up.

Off the soapbox.

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[fishd00d]

That article was written by our own sirhk100 (Khris).

Its the same one he posted here a while back....

[ntsqd]

This sort of thing has to go beyond just you and your group. If you see somebody screwing up and you can educate them w/o getting into an altercation, do it. If they're cool they'll realize what they're doing wasn't a good thing. Usually it's lack of knowledge, not a consious decision.

If they're AH's about it we don't need their kind in the Dez. Piss 'em off and maybe they'll quit coming out.

[WFODAN]

Since I don't live in the SD area can you post a link to the article ?? If it is the same story that was posted here a while back then I am at a total loss for words . If someone that posts here sent that in to the paper then they need to be educated themselves !! As if we don't already have enough oposition against us already , now we need to turn on each other ?? I don't really believe that Kris would be that stupid to send something like that in to a newspaper . If so then WOW!!!! ........................ I'm blown away .


Dan Vance

[Kritter]

the post from khris

[sirhk100]

First off no, I didn't send that in. The editor read that on here and asked if they could print it. 2nd, I'm not too thrilled with the title they gave it but whateva.

Here it is as I wrote it, looks like they changed tiny parts but the point is definately the same.
Read my first post on the thread... It's long...

http://www.race-dezert.com/ubbthread...art=1&vc=1

Dan, are you saying that my words in that article are wrong and that you have every right to just run around Ocotillo Wells like you own the place with no respect for others out there? If so then I've got absolutely no problem saying you're screwed up and honestly don't belong out there. That wasn't writtin about those that are responsible out there, that was directed towards those that don't have the knowledge or sense to slow down when they are around others out there and in my experiences over the past 18 years it's happening mainly by the kids in the prerunners with lots of money and no sense. It's just a common sense extension of the 15mph within 50 feet of camps law that is in place out there. That wasn't written about Glamis or Barstow cause those areas seem to be different and have a different feel. Glamis is definately crazy and outta control, until you get out in the dunes. Deep in the dunes the riders are a lot like Ocotillo, friendly, wave, helpfull, courteous, etc... Have you even been out in the dunes to realize that or do you just hang at Olds and Comp? Barstow definately has a "race" feel to it and it seems like it's commonly excepted to go ballz out there all the time. I don't go there except on race weekends when that's what I'm expecting and there to see.


Or Dan, are you saying that issues like this shouldn't be brought to everyones attention that is involved for fear that the greenies or off-road opponents will use it to fuel their fire? If that's what you're saying I'll still say you're screwed up because another part of that clearly says that I just think a majority of those prerunners that I'm talking about aren't doing it on purpose, they just don't know and aren't educated. How do you get educated if you're starting out in the sport? It's by reading things like that in the SDOR or on forums like this. Read the thread linked above, I don't see one person on there that disagrees with my feelings. Read where I posted it on DR.com, one guy admitted to not knowing anything about it and that it completely makes sense and thanked me for writing and posting it.

Would you be saying the same thing if I wrote a 2 page article on the trash left at Olds, Comp, or Blow Sands after every weekend? Why not? It's the same thing, it's a problem that I see and that needs to be addressed by us. If you go out to these places then this should be a problem to you too. If you're one of the people that run Ocotillo Wells like it's a race coarse you're one of the problems, go to Barstow or Glamis where it's accepted, not Ocotillo. It says it right here copied straight out of it that I was talking about Oco and nowhere else... "There is trail eticate (sp?) that is commonly practiced at Ocotillo Wells (don't know about Glamis, Barstow, or anywhere else) but the Prerunner crowd doesn't seem to know it or care about it!"

If I'm completely wrong and didn't understand your post above please enlighten me cause I don't see why you're "blown away" by what I wrote ending up in print.

If you don't subscribe to SDOR, you should... It's one of the best off-road publications around and covers everything from Desert racing to Glamis to rockcrawling, it definately isn't a San Diego Paper, it's just based outta San Diego. They print up to date articles on what's going on legally to fight to keep our areas open for us, they give race results, classifieds, etc... I've even seen a photo of Dan Vance going big in it!!!

[Kritter]

If they are too stupid to know to cruise around kids and bikes...they are probably too stupid to pick up a newspaper...but the people WHO DO read the paper and see that article are not your targeted demographic...unless that is a local teen paper which it does not sound like.

"be brought to everyones attention that is involved"
The prerunner scene is relatively young and very few read the newspaper so I think if anythign you go tthe attention of parents rather then everyone.


I thought your article was good for people who actually go to the desert and knwo how it is, but from the outsider looking in it makes us look bad...which is bad press anyway you look at it.

Wanna fix some punk kid from going too fast in a slow area...go get your exploder and nerf him..."you drive like a racer, how does it feel to be nerfed like one...slow the f&ck down you punkass kid"

If he has respect...he will do it otherwise he is not going to do it regardless if it is in a newspaper article or not.

[sirhk100]

Well, in that case, that paper is in just about every offroad related shop in San Diego county and sitting on the counter in just about every fab shop around here. The title they used and size print they used on the front cover I'm sure is big enough to grab their attention and I could see them picking it up just as a WTF is this then... They'll read it and get pissed at me for my views or read it and maybe it'll click in their head.

Also, those that read that paper will now realize that it's not just them that sees this as wrong and may realize that this is something worth acting on.

I see your point as bad press is bad press but if it's never talked about in the first place will nothing ever come of it? I don't see any of the organized trash pickups ever happening if no one had ever stood up in our community and said out loud that, Hey, there's a problem here and we need to deal with it or at the very least make an impact on it.

Khris

[havahockey]

I agree with you Khris and think that your article being printed in a local offroad magazine won't bring any harm, only good. You hear too many stories of vehicles driving too fast around crowds and people getting hurt or killed. Chasing down someone, getting in their face, or nerfing them isn't the way to go, its just gonna get them pissed off and have their 5 drunk friends come after you.

As the old saying goes, even if one person reads the article and starts slowing down its putting less people at risk in the desert.

[Jordan]

I agree with all of Khris's words and have added my own thoughts to it in the past. I will say that there are plenty of areas in OCO and the desert in general where you can have a fast good time in your truck with nobody around. We should be heading out to those areas for high speed fun and leaving the camping areas for hanging out and camping.

Jordan