IRAQ

[tkr]

Ok, I have a question for everyone who disagrees with what we're doing in Iraq....what is the solution? Every day I hear people taking and read bumper stickers that say war is not the answer and we shouldn't be in Iraq and we're just "stirring up the beehive". So what's you're solution then? We all saw what happened when we go with the "ignore them and they'll go away" philosophy. They hijaked our airplanes and killed thousands of innocent people. I agree that the situation there is not great, but at least we're trying SOMETHING!
So lets hear it, if you were president, what would you do??

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[conejoracer]

As far as I know, no evidence to support Iraq's involvement in 9/11 have surfaced. Going after a group of terrorist is one thing, making false claims to support the invasion of a soveriegn state is something altogether different. We do not belong there, they do not want us there. Let them hold there own elections and get on with their lives. The U.S. was instrumental in the creation of Iraq and Iran, and we have been messing things up there for 70 years. The people of Iraq could do no worse than we have in the middle east. Rember WE put Saddam in power in Iraq when he served our interests.

[PatrickW]

Isolationism

We cannot police a state that doesn't want to be policed. The Sunis and the Shiites will continue to fight over rule as there will be a constant battle between fundamental Islamic rule and non-secular democracy FOREVER. They don't want us, fine. Let's see how they do on their own again.

The U.N. allows foreign generals to dictate the actions and movements of our troops. We have chosen not to be beholden to the U.N. thus far and we need to take it all the way. Pull out. Take our ball and go home. That means troops, money and aid. Thanks for everything , a handshake and please get your crap out of New York and you owe us $8trillion for back parking tickets.

A war on terror runs parallell with the alleged war on drugs. We need to multiply support and millitarize the border. Those troops that are all over the world trying to make democracy work: make them the new INS. Instead of Broncos every 10 miles now there's collumns of Humvees in
OUR desert.

Tell the Saudis that we are no longer intersted in OPEC or their royal oil. Our friends in Venezuela and South America would be glad to increase production to meet our demand until we can get serious about building inexpensive composite plastic vehicles with hydrogen (or other alt. fuell sources) powerplants. We need to get serious about alternative use fuels and stop catering to the automakers and the oil companies.

Sure it's a radical idea. We need to take care of our own. Our people are starving, our children are recieving crummy educations and we are spending all of our hard earned dollars trying to make the world a better place for everyone else. Every great empire in the history of the world eventually fell. We need to make every effort that ours doesn't make that a sure fire statistic.

These people have been killing each other for one reason or another for 2,000 years. The fact that the relative new kids on the block have this idea of how they can make a better life for themselves means nothing to them. Sure, there's a few more schools and there will be nicer roads and the drinking water won't give them ulcers. But does anyone REALLY think that they care?

Look at the history of war in this country for the last 100 years. Germany, we won, occupied and still have a force there. Italy, ditto. Japan, you guessed it. Okinawa. Korea still has a millitarized border. Yet someone thinks that in this special situation it is somehow going to come to an end in a nice neat package once we put a government in place?

They are only buying time until we leave so they can go back to killing each other. Let em.

Not our problem any more.

[Tom_Willis]

1ut up a fence/wall/bad breath detector at their border to keep them inside their rathole of a country.
2: suck out every last drop of oil. Leave them with their sand, insects and communicable diseases..
3: make Iraq the world's trash dump until the end of time. maybe they'll end up worshiping garbage, who knows? Hey, in India they worship cattle. go figure.

[JrSyko]

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The point is we would be doing them all a big favor because they would get a chance to sit next to Alah and have their way with 75 virgins

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While funny, still not true. In order to "sit next to Allah and have their way with 75 virgins" they need to commit suicide in the name of Allah, doesn't work if we kill them.

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These people have been killing each other for one reason or another for 2,000 years. The fact that the relative new kids on the block have this idea of how they can make a better life for themselves means nothing to them. Sure, there's a few more schools and there will be nicer roads and the drinking water won't give them ulcers. But does anyone REALLY think that they care?

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That is the exact point! They will outlast us. They have been surviving wars for thousands of years and we will spend every last dollar we have trying the beat them into submission and we will fail. The only way we even stand a chance is to get the whole world united against them and involved in ending this disaster. They can't fight the whole world, but they can continue to fight us as we standing alone.

[deleted]

sounds like we would have better odds in getting the nukes out rather than trying to get the whole work together on anything.

[TumbleBug]

If we were to fly over Iraq and drop leaflets saying give up or DIE, and they don't give up... they commited suicide. Then turn that whole friggin' desert to glass. If any of the cockroaches crawl out after that, let the snipers have'em.

They are a whole civilization of sunstroked murder mongers, and will never change, and don't want to change. I don't condone nuclear war, but when a whole nation cheers for men who will cut another (CIVILIAN) human beings head off because someone else (MILITARY) embarrasses them... NUKE the Sheit out of them Blastards.

At least with the advanced warning, the women & children could leave the country, along with the cowards that will dress as women to escape, then the rest of the A $$ holes that are taking cheap shots & cheering for attacks & mindless murders will melt with the sand in the hour glass of the last minutes of their lives!

I am sure like everywhere there are some good people in that country... somewhere... maybe... in the shade at an oasis... never mind... NUKE 'em!!!

Oh yeah, before our government releases any of their prisoners, they should be either chemically or publically neutered!!! If nuking is out of order, send in an army of Orkin men to exterminate the cockroaches!!!

[choppekx]

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As far as I know, no evidence to support Iraq's involvement in 9/11 have surfaced. Going after a group of terrorist is one thing, making false claims to support the invasion of a soveriegn state is something altogether different.

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We have found evidence that they harbored terrorists, and have found terrorists training camps.
As far as making false claims to support the invasion of a sovereign nation, most people and nations thought Iraq had WMD before the war including Kerry (depending on the week), Clinton, Gore, France, Germany, and Russia as well as Sadam’s own Generals. It is easy to sit back and say that Bush lied when you are not the one in the spotlight, and you can spin it to help you, but everyone thought the same thing. Bush is the only one willing to do somehting about it. We know for a fact that they had them at one point, just ask the Kerds, it is just a question of what they did with them, destroy them? send them to Syria? we may never know. As far as making a difference in the Middle East, we may never stop them, but we can instill fear in them. Look at Kudofe (sp?) he is willing to let us do what ever we want, and North Korea for that matter they seemed to have backed it down a touch.

I say let the nukes fly

[WFODAN]

Sorry to burst all the " Nuke them " supporters bubbles , but this isn't the 1940s and they aren't Japan .

Do you really think the world would stand by and let anybody nuke anybody today ?? If you do , then I'm sure you went to bed early on December 24th so Santa would show up , and bring your gifts .


Here is something to think about ............. If you were around when Carter was president , and remember the hostage situation in Iran , then the public execution of an American shouldn't seem so shocking . I remember when the hostages were being held in Iran . The hate crimes were running wild in the US against just about anyone of arabic desent . Some were beaten , and yes some were killed . Now the internet wasn't really around then to brodcast it , but if it was then for sure , it would've been on also . Mind you , these were just arabic Americans . They were being mistreated and sometimes murdered for something that had nothing really to do with them . Nothing besides the color of their skin , and where they were born . They didn't even have to be from Iran to be assulted . My point is that most Americans stood by and let the abuse happen . It was an eye for an eye blind fury . It didn't have to make sense . They had hostages in Iran , and this guy in the grocery store looked arabic , so why not kick the crap out of him ?? I witnessed this many times as a kid . It didn't make sense then , and it still doesn't . If we as Americans accepted this behavior in our own country , then why does it seem so barberic when someone does it back ??

Remember , We invaded their country . We have overthrown their government . We bombed their cities , and yes We killed alot of inocent people that live there .......................


Now ........ You can't open your mind enough to entertain the thought that maybe they are doing this in retaliation to what we are doing to them ??? You can also make all the excuses for GB that you'd like , but have we seen any WMD yet ?? Hmmmmm , ya they all thought they had them , but GB is the hero that bombed the crap out of them , and has still yet to find any WMD . Maybe ...... just Maybe , could he be wrong ?? Could it have all been a lie for him to say his goal was to find and destroy all the WMD that he knew they had 100% ?? Hmmmmm . Could there have been anything else that motivated him to go to war with Iraq ??

Ya let's all just jump on the band wagon and " Nuke them all " . That will solve all of our problems . Oh wait ......... what about the next guy that comes to avenge the people we nuked ?? Ok we can then nuke his country . Problem solved ?? Nope then the next guy will show up . Then the next . Then we end up nuking someones ally . Uh oh , now they're mad , so they nuke us , and then finally ....... Yep the problem will be solved for sure .


A question was asked earlier about what would you do if you were the president . I don't think any one person in the entire world can fix what GB has messed up . It would be like asking what would you do different to fix things if you were someone that has commited a violent crime ? You can't take back what has happened . So your only options would be to come clean and admit to your lies , or just keep going down the road you are on and put every single American citizens life on the line . GB has never struck me as the type to own up to anything , so I think he will stick with the second choice .

[drtdevil93]

it would have been interesting if they did find chemical and biological weapons, since they would have had the name of an american company on them. lets not forget who sold the weapons to them!! i think that is more why none were "found". we just took back what we sold them 15 yrs ago.

erik