MORE Class 10

[B-Dub 1020]

Agree 100%. I think what the idea behind 10 was a level playing field on a modern chassis that did not break the bank(as much). Then expenses started getting out of control with motors to be competitive. Suddenly, this class died down and it was called "one of the worst bangs for your buck." People would rather race class 1 than have a class 10 with a costly grenade of a motor in it. So, out came the ecotec: a stock motor with a larger displacement, but less hp. Everybody decided to experiment with this one stock motor. And look at the class, now! It's been revived!

Why mess with that? Why? I think what VORRA wants to do is absolutely fine. But I say let the new change and growth of class 10 continue uninterrupted. Let's not ruin it, just yet. Once somebody brings in another similar motor with justly slightly more hp, it just ruins whatever has been achieved over the last couple of years. More people will want that motor, and then a third motor will show up with a humingbird's beak worth of more hp and that will be allowed because "it's not that much more". I say just keep it simple for the sake of the class. Don't get me wrong, it's not that a few more hp here or there makes a big difference; it's about something more: cohesion in a class.

Dam another B I N G O AND bingo was his name O. Unlimited car , limited engine. We have that now for minimal $$$$$ with great torque and horse power. I went through the high dollar Toyota bs and these $1000 used engines that last an entire season spank them high dollar gernades. Why would you as a RACECAR DRIVER/OWNER want anything different and dont give me that I'm a Ford, Honda, Toyota , Dodge whatever guy crap. Class 10 fast ,fun affordable racing with an UNLIMITED CAR. Even the shortcourse guys are doing it.

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[Zac Reish]

Would it be hard to set the hp the same with the more modern motors so people could run what motor they want as long as it was reputably sealed? If that is a possiblity why not run any motor there would be zero advantage and everyone is happy.

[craigincali]

Whats wrong with the rules as they are written now, today? Not whats SCORE has planned in the furture junk, right now, whats wrong with it?

[Hawkeye]

WAJ! We really are are own worst enemy aren't we? We have an economical setup that works well now with the Ecotech 2.4 for 2seaters and 2.2 for single seat. I went through all the work and expense to convert to the ecotech because it seemed to make so much sense that I didn't think any one could screw this up but here we go. If we open this up to the Honda it will only be a matter of time until someone trumps that with a little bit better mousetrap and on and on and on until no one will be left in this class again. What a bunch of retarded people. If it wasnt an obvious advantage why would you run this motor instead of an ecotech that is accepted in every series but SCORE. Race class 1 or your victory means nothing. Thanks for ruining the class again after what 6 good months. Pathetic

[pddezert]

I'm going to have to agree 100%, Hawkeye. MORE needs to make the first stand on this right now. There is 11 class 10s entered for next weeks race. They can and dahm well better make a stink @ the registration.

[JRV 511]

waj! We really are are own worst enemy aren't we? We have an economical setup that works well now with the ecotech 2.4 for 2seaters and 2.2 for single seat. I went through all the work and expense to convert to the ecotech because it seemed to make so much sense that i didn't think any one could screw this up but here we go. If we open this up to the honda it will only be a matter of time until someone trumps that with a little bit better mousetrap and on and on and on until no one will be left in this class again. What a bunch of retarded people. If it wasnt an obvious advantage why would you run this motor instead of an ecotech that is accepted in every series but score. Race class 1 or your victory means nothing. Thanks for ruining the class again after what 6 good months. Pathetic

well said !!!

[CoxTeamRacing]

Pathetic

Nailed it!

[MikeL]

Hawkeye…are you really calling us “retarded people” and “pathetic”? That’s not necessary. Did you read your post before you clicked to send it? Cox, really? I started this thread to get some intelligent discussion going on the subject. Nothing from this team has been confrontational at all, that’s just not needed. We have supported desert racing and everyone involved for years. We are a "family" team that works hard to be able to be involved in this sport.

Lets run this race and see what happens. Lets see how the package compares to others prior to making any judgments.

Rules were changed, we followed those rules. We chose to race the SCORE series this year and went with a SCORE legal package. We have had our share of problems before the swap with a DNF at Laughlin (front arm), but then a win at the SF 250 (VW Type IV, drivers and execution won that). Then we made the swap mid-season which brought on some difficulties and a DNF at the 500. We have chosen this MORE race because MORE has always followed the SCORE rules and we are looking to put the new package up against some good competition.

We have been just sitting on the sidelines reading everyone's responses to the original post. A couple things have been said a few times and suggested many other times: 1) Class 10 is supposed to be a driver's class not a dollars class. 2) The horsepower of the K24 is going to be a distinct advantage, class 10 is supposed to be an equal power class.

The 2010 MORE Class 10 champ was an under horsepowered Type IV that took one overall and multiple class wins. The team never once voiced a disagreement with racing against the newly introduced Ecotec with a distinct HP advantage. The Type IV was also down on horsepower to the Hondas and Toyotas it faced. Races were planned and executed, the drivers and entire team did an exceptional job and achieved their goal. Making suggestions that this team needs an “obvious advantage” to win or be competitive is simply ludicrous and those that feel that way have made their comments without having the knowledge to make such claims.

Now suddenly when the rules change again and a team follows those rules because it is time for an engine upgrade all the teams that are now down on HP are bitter. The K24 does not guarantee a win, its just the motor. The race still needs to be planned and executed, and the car still has to be driven and brought to the finish. We do not ignore the HP advantage, but why would we choose to make an upgrade to the motor just to find ourselves at a disadvantage again to the next guy that goes with this package. We make no apologies for making this choice, we just followed the rulebook. Its not a loophole or anything mischievous, nor is it bending any rules.

“Race class 1 or your victory means nothing”. We are not claiming a victory prior to the race. That would be ludicrous on our part. Lets just make it a good race and have some fun out there.

[CoxTeamRacing]

Cox, really? .

Yes, Really.
I have the means to build an INSANE 2.4. But BITD, SNORE, and I thought MORE, have rules that limit the motors for class 10; and I dont race SCORE so why would I build a new motor? Also, I would be embarassed to race in a limited class if I was running more motor than my competition. That would be, in my opinion, "Pathetic"
If MORE has changed the rules, then too bad for MORE. If SNORE and BITD change the rules, then too bad for class 10.

[B-Dub 1020]

Mike your a good guy but many cannot afford to race SCORE. You chose SCORE rules and it has been voiced that the new SCORE rules by everyone in class 10 except two people I know of have said they suck. People that have had to scrape to do what they love "RACING" have done just so. Got there cars out, put an eco-tec in them and are getting class 10 going again. Now changes threaten them and this is what happened to class 10 before. Leave the rules alone in MORE, BITD and SNORE. Race class 1 or unlimited sportsman. Then look at your lap times and figure out where you are at but leave class 10 alone its finally getting back and many will go away again with another engine rule.