Open Type 1 Trans for 2012 or 2013?

[htown916]

I know there are purist who never want to see this rule changed but I would like to see it opened up. I believe everyone is in agreement that with the current rules an aftermarket R&P is allowed as long as it maintains one of the two stock type 1 approved ratios. When you eliminate a weak link you will find the next weakest link, I understand this. I do however think that allowing an aftermarket 1st/2nd gear/mainshaft will not compromise the integrity or put any added stress on other parts of the drive train. As I said in a prior post, allowing dual port heads has definately put added stress on an already fragile drive train. A year ago there was another pole and it seemed very obvious to me the way the majority of racers felt, open type 1 trans. It was however not moved upon by any of the sanctioning bodies. I don't know if that will change this time, but I have never been one to give up when someone tells me, this is how it is and it's not gonna change.

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[vaderoni]

In the spirit of keeping competition fair, I voted for same rules, aftermarket 1st and 2nd. If you let the trans be completely open, the racers with loads of cash and/or time would be able to change ratios for a specific course, leaving others in the dust. Allowing a stronger 1st and 2nd will increase competition due to having a somewhat stronger transmission, and could theoretically decrease the chance of DNF.

[MARXICO]

In the spirit of keeping competition fair, I voted for same rules, aftermarket 1st and 2nd. If you let the trans be completely open, the racers with loads of cash and/or time would be able to change ratios for a specific course, leaving others in the dust. Allowing a stronger 1st and 2nd will increase competition due to having a somewhat stronger transmission, and could theoretically decrease the chance of DNF.

Russell what 9 car do you own or race in ?

How long have you been racing in this class?

[Johnson954]

I think a total "open box" will cause a huge advantage for those who have a lot of money, but I don't see what the issue would be in allowing the aftermarket parts as long as it stays stock ratios. I think it will add cost initially, but reduce over the long run...and for those that don't have any issues breaking 1st and 2nd now, they don't have to make any changes.

[MARXICO]

Here is a question?
Are you happy with your cars current gear ratio and performance…is it already fast enough?

Would you be willing to spend additional money to get better performance from a proper gear ratio and a faster car while reducing the current stress on the motor and transmission?

Would you be willing to miss one race to use those funds on your transmission and possibly have that onetime expense cover your yearly transmission budget?

How much does your existing transmission cost you a season ?

[htown916]

Wow 157 views and only 8 votes, and I don't even think all 8 are class 9 car owners. LOL

[NINERACER]

with the current rules, some cars/drivers are way faster than others. Imagine a fast driver in a SS with a unlimited buget. how competitive that will be?

[MARXICO]

Jorge, regardless current rules there are cars / drivers that are faster than others simply because they have spent more time and money refining their program this is not a class where any one with no experience has went out bought a car and has dominated the class……the dominant teams have spent a lot of time and money to learn how to go fast, they just didn’t buy it.

No offense but if you bought a competitive motor and trans from one of the winning shops instead of good guys starting out and or doing trades and favors your car would be faster and you would finish more races developing a more competitive program
Is your concern that you are already driving too fast or would you be open to your car being faster?

If you are convinced a single seater is faster have you considered removing one seat and making your car meet SS weight?
Would you consider spending $1500 more up front for a transmission engineered to your wheel size and power to weight ratio that would deliver results that not only made your car faster but made your motor work less and transmission last one race season?
I think that some one that has unlimited spending isn’t interested in a 9 car, but do believe that the fast cars have a real motor and trans and have already out spent you ….the problem already exist
The subject about a open trans is first realizing we have been racing with gear ratios designed for stock VW tires, the current legal transmissions fail because there is room for improvement.

Would you be willing to pay more up front for better performance and reliability...or do you like your current routine that requires additional labor and nickel and dimes you all season

[Bolles]

I think now that a weddle r/p is legal (the rule book seems to say it)

and lets say you allow aftermarket made 1st and 2nd gears in the stock ratios?

(I use stock 1st,2nd and VW r/p now and seem to have cracks and replace at every 2nd race)

Besides open gearing (and I think "open gearing" is not the way to go) what else could you do to create an "open rules" transaxle that lasts and could be more economical in the long run over several races?

[NINERACER]

Mark, I understand your point. The problem is Who will ensure your open trans will last the whole season. Our trans cost about $1500 and we spent like $350 every time we race. so far two dnf because trans problems, the first was my fault(i get to exited) and the second was lubricasion problem. My only mistake so far was to start with a brand new car and the wrong builder.