Chenowth Mini Mag VS RZR 900

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engines
Engine Type 4-Stroke DOHC Twin Cylinder
Displacement 875cc
Fuel System Electronic Fuel Injection
Cooling Liquid
drivetrain
Transmission/Final Drive Automatic PVT P/R/N/L/H; Shaft
Drive System On-Demand True AWD/2WD
suspension
Front Suspension Dual A-Arm Fox Podium X 2.0 (comp adjust/res.) 13.5" (34.3 cm) Travel
Rear Suspension Trailing Arm Fox Podium X 2.0 (comp adjust/res.) 14" (35.6 cm) Travel brakes
Front/Rear Brakes 4-Wheel Hydraulic Disc with Dual-Bore Front Calipers
Parking Brake Park in Transmission
tires/wheels
Front Tires / Model 27 x 9-12; ITP 900 XCT
Rear Tires / Model 27 x 11-12; ITP 900 XCT
Wheels Cast Aluminum
dimensions
Wheelbase 81.4" (206.8 cm)
Dry Weight 1,190 lbs. (539.8 kg) Overall Vehicle Size (LxWxH) 108.4" x 64" x 73" (275.3 x 162.6 x 185.4 cm)
Ground Clearance 13" (33.0 cm)


It puts out 88 hp, 65 to the wheels and does 75mph out of the box with no mods.

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[bajaxp]

The wheelbase appears to be longer than a typical UTV but I doubt if the suspension would be as good as say a stock Polaris XP.Also I think they ran a 2cylinder 800cc 2 stroke snowmobile motor which would probably be similar in HP to todays performance UTV.

On one of the links above, I read that they ran 570cc Yamaha 2-stroke Exciter snowmobile engines with up to 100 hp. These were twins. PBP said that the engines were not very reliable. It also depends if you are comparing a Mini Mag to a stock RZR XP or to a race ready XP.

[partybarge_pilot]

Ok, so the Mini is a couple hundred pounds lighter and has a couple more inches of wheel travel than a stock RXR. And slightly less HP in endurance for. The lower weight would more than make up for the lower HP.

To make a modern reliable version a 500 Yamaha twin sled motor makes 85HP and way more torque than the old 2 smokers did. Should be close to the same weight. If you wanted to get really froggy, they have a tripple with 150HP......... Also, the clutches they have now are vastly supperior to what they had then.

[Fourstroker]

Awesome thread! I don't know about 'kick the crap out of...' but it would be interesting. Someone post up the specs on a Mini Mag for comparison. Weight, width, height, hp, wheel travel, brake type, etc. Did a M.M. have reverse? Only came in as a single seater, right? One advantage the MM has is wheels and tires. Are those 31's? What size wheels...15's?

Having raced a Mini Mag one once I could not imagine a RZR staying anywhere close. They were light a nimble and an absolute blast to drive......unless you need to get on top of the big ones. There is no way in hell a RZR could keep up on a race course.

By the way the Parr's still have (2) complete cars plus enough parts to build a 3rd for sale. They are in Costa Mesa these days.

[bajaxp]

Having raced a Mini Mag one once I could not imagine a RZR staying anywhere close. They were light a nimble and an absolute blast to drive......unless you need to get on top of the big ones. There is no way in hell a RZR could keep up on a race course.

By the way the Parr's still have (2) complete cars plus enough parts to build a 3rd for sale. They are in Costa Mesa these days.

If you get the opportunity, I would encourage to drive the new RZR XP 900 They continually blow people away, with their nearly 90 hp, 1200 lbs and 14" of wheel travel...stock, with a warranty. I do like the wheelbase, wheel/tire combo and light weight of the mini mag.
Fun thread...kind of like comparing Kobe to Michael Jordan.
BTW, UTV racing is starting to really explode...nearly 50 UTV's at the Lake Elsinore GP, 45 UTV's at the WORCs race, and consistantly getting 15+ at most of the BITD races.

[JoeyD23]

Throw the Wildcat into the mix with 18" of rear wheel travel and 17" in the front and their 1000CC (which is highly choked out from the factory) and you have another UTV to throw into the mix....... Mini Mag is bitchen, but I would take the new UTV technology and save my kidney's a beating!

[bajaxp]

I just rechecked the title to this thread to make sure we I was in the right place.

I looked on the Mickey Thompson website and those cool Mini Mag tires are only 27" tall and are bias ply. Now if someone would make a 29" or 30" version of that tire in a radial for UTV's...we would have something. LT tires are too heavy for UTV's.

The other cool thing that UTV's have over the Mini Mag is...a green sticker, a title, a warranty, two seats and 4wd. You can race 'em AND take them to the desert and the dunes legally with multiple people enjoying the experience.

[Fourstroker]

I just rechecked the title to this thread to make sure we I was in the right place.

I looked on the Mickey Thompson website and those cool Mini Mag tires are only 27" tall and are bias ply. Now if someone would make a 29" or 30" version of that tire in a radial for UTV's...we would have something. LT tires are too heavy for UTV's.

The other cool thing that UTV's have over the Mini Mag is...a green sticker, a title, a warranty, two seats and 4wd. You can race 'em AND take them to the desert and the dunes legally with multiple people enjoying the experience.

Versatility is definitely advantage RZR.

Also of note the Mini Mag I drove was actually running 33" MT Baja Pros on it.

[TutTech]

I would put my current version of a Mini Mag I built up against a side by side..
(600cc 95 inch wheel base, 18" wheel travel.. and comes in a two seater also)






I remember the Parrs running their mini mag and later his brother running the other one at MDR back a few years.. If I remember correctly they ran between a 32-35 mph average just depending on course etc.
They did well. Actually about 4 year ago they ran at MORE and a couple years back at the Powder Puff they had a Mini Mag there.

As for tires the Mickey Thompsons you can get in a 29, 30 or bigger so they do have them and I have owned some. lighter and nice. I ran them on the front of one of my cars and then I didn't change tires to go run at glamis etc.. just backs to paddles.

You can green sticker them (depending on local laws on engine red sticker) and take to were ever you like. I like the idea of installing a new updated engine and clutch. Then you have an even greater advantage over a RZR.
No, no warranty and single seater.. but if your just 1 person and dont want to give another person a ride and carry their fat ... their extra butt around then perfect.

They are both going to have pros and cons.. mini mags are fully caged and race ready.
Rzr spend a couple grand getting all your safety gear, cage etc. depending on where you race.. cost

And no your kiddneys are not going to hurt any worse in a Mini Mag then a Rzr etc. how well you set up your suspension determines your kiddneys abuse..

Anyways cool thread.. So who has a Mini mag and who wants to bring their Rzr out and do say the Powder Puff 20 mile loop at Barstow.. that is always a good test. Oh and we need video lots of video....

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