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John Bitting

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Did anyone else catch the coverage yesterday and today on Speedvision? I think it had some killer shots, Vanderway almost rolling on the pavement, Jesse Jones and Herbst inboard, that one whoop section that Sourapas, Fortin came through on it. But I noticed, no suspense, I watched off shore boat racing today and they did a real good job of playing on the drama, can Tommy Bahama catch so and so, wow look at the wave they just hit.. ETC, but with the 1000, it was like and Fortin crosses the line in first.. No suspense, no action, no drama. Any coverage is good, But how hard would it be to really play on the lead changes and things like that??
 

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John-

There was plenty of drama, ie-Herbst truggy going down early with flats, and replacing a whole front wheel assembly. I think the commentator needs to do some speed before he goes on, he was about as exciting as watching mold grow. The action was great, and there was plenty of drama, he needs to go back to announcing school...LOL

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I thought the coverage was good. I like anything off-road I can get on TV though. Caught it about 10min into the show. Kinda decieving though when they said the (overall winner). Which was inaccurate. Should have been more like the overall 4 wheel truck or buggy whatever. No credit was given to the actual overall winners which is a little sad in my book but like I said. I like the coverage of any off-road race and if that promotes the sport than I am not complaining. Just give the credit where credit is due.
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I thought the show was an improvement but still very weak. The camera location
on the pole line road was very good. The show needs more good locations to really
catch the action - there's lots of good locations on any course, no reason to show
the lame areas. And the comentary, jeez. Compare it to the 500GP bike show, or
the WRC show - the show needs an amped out guy doing lead anouncing and
use Rossler for the expert comentary. Still, I'm glad the show was an improvement.
And I'm thankful to even see ANY coverage... (It's just that it could be SOOO much
better without spending more money!) I'll take a camera crew out as would many of us.
No reason to shoot footage near the highways.
 

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They should have mentioned the overall winner, (the Honda corp would probably like to see that, after the 4th or 5th year in a row). Also Tim Staab's situation, (because that is probably his last 1000 race....) They did show the Tecate Girls shakin' their thang..... That was worth watching. BTW, Did anyone notice the Hummers? They look like they have about 2" of uptravel on those King shock shafts. The broadcast should have been more than 60 minutes, it was worthy of 2 hours, I think, (especially since there were about two dozen classes......) And what's up with showing BITD footage during a SCORE race? This is the second SCORE broadcast in a row that has had race coverage from a different race. I give this broadcast a 1/2 thumb up.
 

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Due to the fact that the air time is very expensive and with a limited viewership it makes it very tough to either get 2 hours of air time , and if you get 2 hours it's on at 3 AM. I spoke with Don Shoemaker at the LV 200 and he said unless a BIG player steps up there will be no coverage next year. Speedvision has already filled up the time slots that were allocated for off-road racing. The blending of the BITD ans Score coverage was simply a money issue.
 

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I had a Christmas party going on at my casa when the Baja 1k started on SV. We were huddled round the bar watching race videos before it started. Many people there were new to the sport and getting off on the video action. It did not take long after the SV coverage started before complaints of the coverage began. The biggest complaint was the camera locations. I would have to say that the crowd enjoyed the amature video best.


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I caught the tail end. Do yall know when it'll be on next? I can't find it on speedvision.
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Whats up with the fabtech commercials every 5 minutes? Fabtech totally sponsered it, yah it was great to at least see the action. The commentary wasn't that great, and why spend half the brodcast showing the start and that section where they come into town off the dirt. It's really to bad when the best race(IMO) doesn't have enough money to get a good representation of it.

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Here's a perfect example why Shoemaker sucks.. Borrego Jump with Whelchel flying the Riviera TT.. Why behind the jump and not in front of it like ESPN used to. All you saw was dust with a glimpse of the truck. You couldn't get a real feel of how big he went, because he did go big...... The best part is Fortin carrying the front-end over the whoops. Team Hummer commercial with the interviews....... Boring, Fabtech Commercials over and over.......you figure it out. I know Subaru puts lots of commercials on WRC but look at the coverage. Its night and day...
 

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Isnt the 29th a Saturday.

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Scott writes: "Here's a perfect example why Shoemaker sucks.. Borrego Jump with Whelchel flying the Riviera TT.. Why behind the
jump and not in front of it like ESPN used to. All you saw was dust with a glimpse of the truck. You couldn't get a real feel
of how big he went, because he did go big...... The best part is Fortin carrying the front-end over the whoops. Team
Hummer commercial with the interviews....... Boring, Fabtech Commercials over and over.......you figure it out. I know
Subaru puts lots of commercials on WRC but look at the coverage. Its night and day...""

Has anyone stopped to think about how to improve the production values of the various desert offroad races? Has anyone considered that those boring Hummer features could be helping to PAY for the production of the TV show as they did in the inaugeral ESPN Vegas to Reno TV show. ?? Same thing for those Fabtech commercials. The Fabtech guys have stepped up to the plate, got out their check books and are SUPPORTING the desert TV shows. How many other offroad contingency companies or smaller manufacturers are doing this? You should be pleased that Fabtech has the funds to support the shows. We should be calling the Fabtech guys and telling them that we appreciate their support and commitment, instead of complaining. Next time you walk down contingency row, or next time you are about to buy some goodies for your pre-runner or race car, how about asking that contingency company why THEY are NOT supporting the offroad TV shows with TV ads? Every competitor could make it clear to the companies selling them their racing products, that you will only buy from that company if the company supports the TV shows with ads. This would quickly give those companies the message that they need to buy TV ads in the race shows, instead of sitting back and taking your money, and hoping that Pepsi-Cola is going to step up and support the sport.! Perhaps Scott could spend some time and post a list of all the contingency companies, and which of them support the offroad TV shows with TV ads?

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97PreRunr writes:
""It's really to bad when the best race(IMO) doesn't have enough money to get a good representation of it.""

What the sport needs is for a big offroad company like www.offroadrangers.com to put the $65,000 needed for TV Production, plus the $35,000 needed to buy the TV time for EACH offroad show on the table. Thats only $100,000 per show. If you want to cover all the SCORE races, all the BITD races, plus a two hour special for the Baja 1000, then all you need is about $1,000,000 each year. If you like we can give you an address where you can send that cashiers check, and we can right onto making those kick ass shows that you desire. Its that simple!

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When I "Tune In", to an Off-Road Race on T.V. thats what I want to see, not 25 minutes to 35 crammed into an hour. I'm sure you've heard the old saying, We interrupt this commercial with an Off-Road program..... True Fabtech, and other Companies such as Hummer's spot are paying for the spots to help production...but In the Borrego case, How hard is it for Shoemaker's cameraman to walk an additional 20 yards for a better shot. That there has nothing to do with Fabtechs Money or Hummer's money.... That's just poor decisions !!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Uhhh, we aren't very big. Don't have any advertisers and are paying for the server out of our own pocket. I have seen better representatoins of bowling then of offroad racing. But I guess bowlign is more popular. I guess it does cost a lot to produce the show, but I think their needs to be some better descions made as to where to put the camera man. Do people really want to see boring shots of them racing inside of the town? Nope, they wana see action shots. Their shoudl be active pursuit for advertisers.

www.offroadrangers.com<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1>Edited by 97PreRunr on 12/26/01 06:28 PM (server time).</FONT></P>
 

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This is why I bring my own camera to the races. Its better production for less Money. Why should off-road company's pay for all coverage??? Why doesn't SCORE pay for anything, that IF they want the sport to take-off. Big Entry Fees with No Payback, you think someone from SCORE would put up some bucks. After all, as much merchandise as I buy from them for the year I'm sure the Shoemaker camera-man can walk his ass an additional 25 feet for a few more bucks......
 

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Maybe the television production company simply ran out of time. It takes a while for an editor to go through all the video and select the shots..... (You know, it was only 43 DAYS from the end of the event to the first broadcast). Here's a suggestion: Maybe they should hire a porno film production company!!!! Those guys script, cast, and shoot in one week, then they edit, duplicate, box it, promote it and distribute it within a couple of weeks. And they have a higher profit margin than anything else coming out of Hollywood...................... We might be on to something here.... Just a thought...
 

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I vote for Bob Bower/Dave Despain again for 2002!!!
The races were never as good after those two got out of it.
If those 2 got hooked up with Speedvision, ousted that LAME ASS "Todd" guy on Shoemakers shows, got a racer in there with some enthusiasum, (nothing against LR, but hes reading off a script..)and some behind the scences info on new vehicles, teams shops, and got to some decent spots instead of 50 minutes of the start/finish line, and 1 minute of on course action. I think things would be better.

I know this will never happen because:
A) the shows are on a shoestring budget.
B) Shoemaker wont produce a decent show, or get good commentators
C) ESPN/ 2 will never have desert racing on again.

my .02

P.S.- What ever happened to ProStadium. I guess a 2002 scedule is out of the question?
 
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