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2018 Dakar Predictions

Discussion in 'Rally Raid' started by Dirty Harry, Dec 13, 2017.

  1. Dirty Harry

    Dirty Harry Well-Known Member

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    I think we all need to have realistic expectations for Bryce. I agree that his has done his homework and he has a reputation for preserving equipment, which is huge at this race. But he and Pete are going up against the best I the world, guys who have been doing this for decades. And as you mention, they are driving a vehicle that is unproven. I think the goal should be to learn as much as they can on their way to the finish line.

    On the subject of the X-Raid team, I think that Bryce is a natural fit for the 2WD car. I’m surprised that they put Mikko Hirvonnen in the other 2WD though and left Yazeed, Roma, and Terranova in the 4WD Minis.
     
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  2. Short Bus

    Short Bus Well-Known Member

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    At the X-Raid presentation in November they said there were three buggies. Yazeed is in the third.

    Miko may not have 2wd 'offroad' experience but he has a RWD old school Escort that he hobny races in historic rallies

     
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  3. Bricoop

    Bricoop Well-Known Member

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    Really?
     
  4. Dirty Harry

    Dirty Harry Well-Known Member

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    Did RG ever do any rally raid events outside of Dakar? Note that Dan said “off Dakar”. Bryce has done the Silk Way, Abu Dhabi Desert Challenge, oiLybia Rally du Maroc, Italian Baja, and Hungarian Baja. And Pete did the Sonora Rally last year when Bryce was injured. Seems like they are doing their homework and taking this seriously.
     
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  5. dirtbuster

    dirtbuster Well-Known Member

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    Geniel de villiers and his nav are a consistently good package . He is looking sharp and told me if the car holds up he's good for a podium again.
     
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  6. dirtbuster

    dirtbuster Well-Known Member

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    Geniel and Timo are a consistently good package. Glyn Hall has found a bit more speed with the mid mount so I'm calling them for at least a third...
     
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  7. spalind

    spalind Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. I don’t remember a non-Dakar rally raid that RG did...I could be wrong, often am, and haven’t dug far on this but I seriously don’t remember any...


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  8. Bricoop

    Bricoop Well-Known Member

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    Missed the off-Dakar part...I think RG still has gone through quite a few more than Bryce, but I could be mistaken.

    Any 'expert' predictions on Bryce's new machine? I'd like to see Rally racing get more coverage in the US and a good finish by Bryce might help.
     
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  9. Petepecas

    Petepecas Well-Known Member

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    Gordon did get a lot more experience in Dakar than Menzies has, and, this is not the silkway or any other Rally Raid for that matter. He still has to cut his teeth, I will be (pleasently) surprised if he finishes. A podium is not realistic, the combo is not the best new car, new driver in this race.
     
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  10. Petepecas

    Petepecas Well-Known Member

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    Peugeot 1,2,3, but....
    Rooting for N A A in the Gazoo Yota.
     
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  11. EMS702

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    My hope for Bryce is maybe a few special wins or podiums. If he can get a few podiums along the way I would take that as a win with the new setup. A finish period is a plus.
     
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  12. spalind

    spalind Well-Known Member

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    watching his social media feeds I am worrying...too much time getting engaged, time away from home, etc.

    I don't begrudge him his personal life...but until an American gets as hyper-focused as the international guys get...we are playing on a tilted field...
     
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  13. mrlentle

    mrlentle Well-Known Member

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    As a first timer as BM is, a finish is a win.
     
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  14. chino

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    On Bikes i will like Quintanilla to take the win

    And on Cars i will go with Sebastian Loeb ftw
     
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  15. E. Araiza

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    Yeah both Bryce and Pete are amazing talented but this is their first Dakar and this is the last year of Peugeot racing so im sure they're coming to win everything.

    Daddy Loeb will take it.

    All I want to see is good fights between Loeb, Peterhansel, Nasser and Bryce...
     
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  16. Spark

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    As a long time wrc follower I wish loeb to win it. He proved last year that he definitely got speed for that, but to be more realistic the route this year is much different from last, less wrc-style roads to suit loeb and more old school Dakar dunes where you now WHO =) have an undoubted experience and advantage. So I doubt that Seb win it.
    Hope that new yota will be closer in pace to pugs and minis so Geniel could fight for the win in a straight battle, though it's not his style=). Nasser will win it or bin it with no compromise. So a top place or dnf as Carlos do in his last races.
    Don't have any hight expectations on minis squad for the win.

    In bikes hope this will be barredas year, if he can avoid technical issues he can win.

    In quads I really doubt that karyakin could defend his title this year but podium finish is really possible.

    As for the trucks without de rooy the chanses for kamaz are bigger, this year it vill be bitwin nikolaev and mardeev, because sotnikov will drive new 13liter truck and need to finish to gather data for next year.
     
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  17. blue dog

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    My thoughts are pulling harder then ever for GDV. Nasser will break, Sainz will break, Kamaz will dominate, Gordon will eat popcorn at lake Norman. And don’t forget the Coronel brothers, love those guys, they would be fun to watch even if they were on donkeys.

    Almost that time.

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  18. Bull-dust

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    I suspect X-Raid might try a hare and tortoise strategy. Have their buggies go fast in the early dune section (and work on the buggy refinement for the rest of 2018) to try and unsettle the Pugs and have Roma in the Mini 4wd on a slow and steady strategy if the others break through the event.

    I suspect the toyotas could lose time with tire pressuring in the dunes and at altitude with the gasoline engines compared to the diesel turbos, so their chances rest on reliability which might be GDVs forte.

    Pugs would be favoured to win - but which one - probably not Sainz. Depres for the win if PH and Loeb have problems.

    Sutherland to back to back a Bike win.

    Villagra to finish behind the Kamaz.
     
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  19. Dirty Harry

    Dirty Harry Well-Known Member

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    Might be?

    Everything you wrote makes sense. Peugeot has the best drivers, the fastest cars, and the most support resources. Their cars aren’t as strong/reliable as the Minis and Toyota’s, but between Peterhansel, Loeb, and Despres you can lose one or even two cars and still win the event.
     
  20. dbq61537

    dbq61537 Well-Known Member

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    Anyone know, how many UTV class cars are showing up? These could be the only way to grow the event, going forward.


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