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2019 SCORE Baja 400 - Live Stream & Updates Thread & Post Race Expert Analysis

az_amsoil

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Anyone else like to see the finish line in the wash (race speed) and then parade the vehicles through the streets and concrete obstacles to the interview podium?? How did SCORE time the finish when vehicles were stopped before the finish waiting for the all important interview?
 

randy s

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I guess different people have different thoughts on what a good driver is. I’m not 100% sure but pretty much if you have won a TT race in the past 10 years (even when TTs were 250-300k) then you are probably still driving a TT or have an offer for a seat in one if you wanted it. I know top winning teams that were looking for second drivers because all the fast ones with experience were already taken.

I like that TTs are staying on top of tech. Look at a Ford F-150. 10 years ago they were 20k for a brand new one. Now they are starting around 40k!!! That’s doubled. TTs used to be 250-300k. Now they are about double that. That’s how things change. Prices will always go up. People make more $$ now then they did 10 years ago also so it’s all relative.

I stand by my comment that If you are a GOOD driver with experience you have an offer for a TT ride.
what about steven eugenio?..bob shepard?
 

ProfessionalPitMan

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Does Ryan Arciero have a 'NEXT LEVEL AWD" TT and how could he possibly win starting so far back?
I love that several people have made this argument completely missing that it is exactly the point of complaining about no qualifying. See, what happened was, a slower driver held up one truck. Then the truck behind that truck was able to catch up to them and then begun being held up but had passed said slower trucks in front of him on corrected time. However, the truck behind him eventually caught up to the held up group and was now ahead of all of them on corrected time while being held up themselves. It gets better. Eventually, Ryan was at the back of the held up pack and had passed all of the trucks in front of him on time while playing follow the leader. THAT is how all of this works when there is nowhere to pass. I know it is hard to understand, but when you see 8 trucks come in seconds apart it should be quite obvious. But being the friend just to be the friend is more fun than trying to actually understand how it all works!
 

ProfessionalPitMan

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I love that several people have made this argument completely missing that it is exactly the point of complaining about no qualifying. See, what happened was, a slower driver held up one truck. Then the truck behind that truck was able to catch up to them and then begun being held up but had passed said slower trucks in front of him on corrected time. However, the truck behind him eventually caught up to the held up group and was now ahead of all of them on corrected time while being held up themselves. It gets better. Eventually, Ryan was at the back of the held up pack and had passed all of the trucks in front of him on time while playing follow the leader. THAT is how all of this works when there is nowhere to pass. I know it is hard to understand, but when you see 8 trucks come in seconds apart it should be quite obvious. But being the friend just to be the friend is more fun than trying to actually understand how it all works!
Also, Ryan won because he is fast as hell! If I am not mistaken he won another race this year or late last year? Not taking away from his victory at all with this statement. The point is, if there was no traffic Ryan still very well might have won, but in this instance, we will never know. Ryan is a class act and drives the wheels off that truck! Congrats on the win!
 

y2kbaja

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What were the physical finishing times, not the adjusted, the order and interval for the top 10 TT's?
 

J Prich

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Also, Ryan won because he is fast as hell! If I am not mistaken he won another race this year or late last year? Not taking away from his victory at all with this statement. The point is, if there was no traffic Ryan still very well might have won, but in this instance, we will never know. Ryan is a class act and drives the wheels off that truck! Congrats on the win!
Agree completely. I think this is more along the lines of what Andy M. meant, but the words didn't quite convey it. At the end of the day I think the "top" guys aren't really trying to establish any elitism within the ranks. When you strip out the emotional language, the bottom line is they are just advocating for a system that allows the "most fair" method of doing this stuff and I think there is consensus that a random draw is not it. It's not really about discrediting Arceiro's win, nor about attacking fellow drivers. It's about trying to advocate for a process that fosters the highest degree of fair competition.
 

Nessy

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I love that several people have made this argument completely missing that it is exactly the point of complaining about no qualifying. See, what happened was, a slower driver held up one truck. Then the truck behind that truck was able to catch up to them and then begun being held up but had passed said slower trucks in front of him on corrected time. However, the truck behind him eventually caught up to the held up group and was now ahead of all of them on corrected time while being held up themselves. It gets better. Eventually, Ryan was at the back of the held up pack and had passed all of the trucks in front of him on time while playing follow the leader. THAT is how all of this works when there is nowhere to pass. I know it is hard to understand, but when you see 8 trucks come in seconds apart it should be quite obvious. But being the friend just to be the friend is more fun than trying to actually understand how it all works!
Jee golly Mr. prufeshunal pit guy thanks for learnin me how timing and scoring works. Suppose Andy qualifies 3 because the hobbyists have Ricky Johnson and Kyle Leduc to drive and and Ryan catches him because the guy between has an issue, thats not fair! Or he gets the lead and gets held up by some MC riders who dont know the TT guys are coming thats not fair! These a hole MC guys have no business out there, They didn't spend millions and a week away from their family prerunning in their luxury prerunners. Oh the humanity! Life isn't fair, Baja isn't fair. While I have no problem with them qualifying there is still going to be thousand of things happening that can hurt or help you that are out of your control. I understand the frustration completely but they really have nothing to complain about. At the end of the day you can not have a single flat or mechanical and lose, or roll your truck and win.
 

KLK7072

Member
Ok, here’s an easy fix so listen up SCORE. Since the trophy truck class is full of entitled drama queens, starting at the next race all vehicles will leave the starting line at one hour intervals. That’s right, one hour! Even on windless days that’s more than enough time for that pesky dust to settle down and the hobbyists to get out of the way of the real racers. With one hour intervals SCORE would even have time to send graders out on the course to smooth out any imperfections left by the previous truck. Now granted with such a long interval between starters the race may be a bit boring and take days to complete, but there should be very little whining at the finish. Wouldn’t that be nice.
 

ProfessionalPitMan

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Jee golly Mr. prufeshunal pit guy thanks for learnin me how timing and scoring works. Suppose Andy qualifies 3 because the hobbyists have Ricky Johnson and Kyle Leduc to drive and and Ryan catches him because the guy between has an issue, thats not fair! Or he gets the lead and gets held up by some MC riders who dont know the TT guys are coming thats not fair! These a hole MC guys have no business out there, They didn't spend millions and a week away from their family prerunning in their luxury prerunners. Oh the humanity! Life isn't fair, Baja isn't fair. While I have no problem with them qualifying there is still going to be thousand of things happening that can hurt or help you that are out of your control. I understand the frustration completely but they really have nothing to complain about. At the end of the day you can not have a single flat or mechanical and lose, or roll your truck and win.
Sorry you didn't like my reply. But you acted oblivious to the obvious so I treated you as such. At the end of the day, follow the leader and stacking up possibly cost faster trucks the win. Acting like you don't understand that doesn't make it any less true. Chatting baby talk doesn't make it any less true. Being an friend doesn't make it any less true.
 

Robin Hood

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Sorry you didn't like my reply. But you acted oblivious to the obvious so I treated you as such. At the end of the day, follow the leader and stacking up possibly cost faster trucks the win. Acting like you don't understand that doesn't make it any less true. Chatting baby talk doesn't make it any less true. Being an friend doesn't make it any less true.
If the idea is to make sure the fastest guy wins, why not hand over the trophy before the race even starts. We all know who the fastest guy is...right?
 

Nessy

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Sorry you didn't like my reply. But you acted oblivious to the obvious so I treated you as such. At the end of the day, follow the leader and stacking up possibly cost faster trucks the win. Acting like you don't understand that doesn't make it any less true. Chatting baby talk doesn't make it any less true. Being an friend doesn't make it any less true.
And you are oblivious to the fact that it has and will keep being this way and qualifying will probably help but isn't going to make the race "fair". I was simply pointing out that a fast guy won in spite of the many disadvantages. You were just being a prick.
 

ProfessionalPitMan

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And you are oblivious to the fact that it has and will keep being this way and qualifying will probably help but isn't going to make the race "fair". I was simply pointing out that a fast guy won in spite of the many disadvantages. You were just being a prick.
No. You are being a prick. Again, "This has always been this way" is not a valid reason to keep doing it this way. Gone are the days where it is a battle of attrition. Even 4 or 5 years ago you had 50% finishing rates. When all but 1 or 2 of the top 20 starters have flawless days and the cars are lined up back to back to back it shows a flaw in the system. Which was the whole point of the conversation you took offense to.
 

Nessy

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No. You are being a prick. Again, "This has always been this way" is not a valid reason to keep doing it this way. Gone are the days where it is a battle of attrition. Even 4 or 5 years ago you had 50% finishing rates. When all but 1 or 2 of the top 20 starters have flawless days and the cars are lined up back to back to back it shows a flaw in the system. Which was the whole point of the conversation you took offense to.
Last reply as the thread is being hijacked but there is always going to be dust ,people getting in the way, etc messing up someones race. Qualifying may help but there is always going to be places were you cant pass, local vehicle on the course, booby traps,etc,etc. Those things are all magnified now that the races are so close and there are more people than ever that can win. My "always been this way" was about the trials and tribulations of Baja, not qualifying. My simple statement was pointing out that a bad draw doesn't mean you cant win. Your a hole response was met with one from me.
 

Chainguide

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much of this talk about starting order has to do with getting around guys in the dust, I assume. What if SCORE had many either/or's to act as passing lanes? Some would be the traditional bike lines that maybe straighten out a corner, where others could be side by side lanes where possible and others could be two distinctly different courses splitting then re-converging a couple miles down the course. Would that help?
 

BITD_1021

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Seriously? Other people’s dimes as in the McMillin family money which I’m pretty sure Andy, Luke and Dan had very little to do with earning. Or were they the ones who negotiated getting Liberty Station in San Diego for a dollar or developing most of the South Bay when they were children or not even born yet? And as far as their grandpas finances go they should all have Corky in big letters on all of their vehicles as the main sponsor as he’s the reason there is McMillin family money.
So that makes them bad guys? You're a socialist loser. Grow up. Get your lazy butt off the couch and build a business so your poor grand kids don't become jelouos losers like you. Corey's kids (Andy, Luke, and Dan`s fathers) are good men that brought their kids up to RESPECT other people. I have 3 boys older than them and I'm confident that the McMillin boys will make a positive difference in this world as my 3 sons have already with or without money. Now go donate your last $1000 to either campaign, Bernie Sander or Elizabeth Warren.
 

KLK7072

Member
So that makes them bad guys? You're a socialist loser. Grow up. Get your lazy butt off the couch and build a business so your poor grand kids don't become jelouos losers like you. Corey's kids (Andy, Luke, and Dan`s fathers) are good men that brought their kids up to RESPECT other people. I have 3 boys older than them and I'm confident that the McMillin boys will make a positive difference in this world as my 3 sons have already with or without money. Now go donate your last $1000 to either campaign, Bernie Sander or Elizabeth Warren.
Sorry dick head, proud Trump voter here and small business owner. I have a relative that worked for the McMillins. The McMillin daughter worked in the office and my relative saw first hand the free ride the daughter got. If anyone else in the office had performed like she did they would have been out on their ass within a week. Feel free to keep thinking you know what you’re talking about, but you’re a clueless a$$hole. And since you’re such a McMillin expert you should know it’s Corky not Corey genius.
 

BITD_1021

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Sorry dick head, proud Trump voter here and small business owner. I have a relative that worked for the McMillins. The McMillin daughter worked in the office and my relative saw first hand the free ride the daughter got. If anyone else in the office had performed like she did they would have been out on their ass within a week. Feel free to keep thinking you know what you’re talking about, but you’re a clueless a$$hole. And since you’re such a McMillin expert you should know it’s Corky not Corey genius.
Really punk! Spell check changed CORKY TO Corey. You whimp keyboard jockeys talk crap behind a keyboard. I'll be happy to personal message you how I really feel so I won't embarrass your broke butt. In fact I'll be in social in 2 weeks. Let's get together? So your relative got fired? Sorry to hear that. Kiss my a$$.
 
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