2020 Baja 1000

PaulW

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The crossover between Hwy1 & 3
At hwy1 at the corner of the vineyard find KM102.7
At hwy3 near the PMEX find KM120.3
 

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We headed down to San Felipe Thursday night, Friday morning ran from 540- 610, first wash is heavy, a couple of choke points for possible bottlenecks, then Matomi wash is typical, but fast past the choke point, lots of rocks and awesome scenery. Saturday morning we started at RM 440 and went to 540. The first 20 miles I have never ran before, then getting to zoo road whoops was pretty typical, but after that the section running West to the mountains is sandy windy and very rocky, not so much fun, the wash after jumping the zoo road/morelia access was heavy uphill and never ending, the end of that canyon has some switchbacks where there for sure will be bottlenecks was already sandy/silty when we crossed and will only get worse. Some pictures I got and a quick video we got when the old Vanderway TT passed us in the wash just past the Morelia road crossing. Of course on our way home we had to stop for San Matias burritos, this is a must.
 

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JDDurfey

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We headed down to San Felipe Thursday night, Friday morning ran from 540- 610, first wash is heavy, a couple of choke points for possible bottlenecks, then Matomi wash is typical, but fast past the choke point, lots of rocks and awesome scenery. Saturday morning we started at RM 440 and went to 540. The first 20 miles I have never ran before, then getting to zoo road whoops was pretty typical, but after that the section running West to the mountains is sandy windy and very rocky, not so much fun, the wash after jumping the zoo road/morelia access was heavy uphill and never ending, the end of that canyon has some switchbacks where there for sure will be bottlenecks was already sandy/silty when we crossed and will only get worse. Some pictures I got and a quick video we got when the old Vanderway TT passed us in the wash just past the Morelia road crossing. Of course on our way home we had to stop for San Matias burritos, this is a must.
I doubt there are many bottlenecks 400 plus miles into the race. Sure someone might get stuck and hold someone up for a minute, but a bottleneck, I doubt.
 

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Where does it come out in Valle T compared to the course?
If you go by the map screen shot PaulW posted above you'll hit the course at RM 406'ish, then they run the same trail.
That's easy to get around and into VdT just taking the well worn road to the left just before you intersect the course, wrap around much of the VdT valley, and again take a side dirt road to avoid another little chunk of the course, although that part is 37mph speed zone so...
 

PeteRock

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I doubt there are many bottlenecks 400 plus miles into the race. Sure someone might get stuck and hold someone up for a minute, but a bottleneck, I doubt.
As long as 1 car is stuck and no one can drive around them, you have a bottleneck, does not matter what mile, there have been races in recent past where race cars timed out waiting in line for their turn to go up a hill in a bottleneck more than halfway through the race.
 

PaulW

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More details when using the crossover Hwy2 and Hwy3. Screenshots of both ends of the crossover.
 

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As long as 1 car is stuck and no one can drive around them, you have a bottleneck, does not matter what mile, there have been races in recent past where race cars timed out waiting in line for their turn to go up a hill in a bottleneck more than halfway through the race.
I guess my definition of a "bottleneck" and yours are not the same. To me, being held up by one or two vehicles can happen hundreds of places around the racecourse and does not constitute a "bottleneck". But a full on 5-20 car bottleneck is not as likely 400 plus miles into the race. I know it has happened. I remember the 05 Baja 500 the course ran up Simpson hill and a whole lot of cars timed out there. The 06 500 had the same potential south of Mike's in the loop south of San Telmo/obervatory road and two days before the race the course was changed. I believe the course that was going to be used is what is being used for this year.

Taking Jose G's observations about the course into account, I would be much more concerned about sitting in a bottleneck or breaking down somewhere before Valley T. He said that if you make it to there the rest of the race is much easier. However, I don't know that I agree as the San Felipe whoops eat a lot of vehicles.
 

mxben

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Plenty of spots for bottlenecks from 300-400. The bikes might have a shot at an overall.
 

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On race day is there going to be a new thread started to get updates?
I will be following the Bronco R with great interest all race long so if you're down there and can post I want to hear those reports!
Thanks, Race-Dezert is so awesome!
 

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300-400 is freaking nasty. Lots of long stretches where if somebody breaks down or gets stuck there is no getting around them, especially on the way up toward Mellings ranch.
 

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Pics of giant mess and trash left by "racers" at rm 632/km31. Probably 40 people up there last night. Not bottle cap to be found. Must have been natives taking care of the land 😂
 

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