2021 Mint 400 Info

J Prich

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Just sharing a bit of info here regarding the 2021 Mint 400.

Parade and kick off events are scheduled for Wednesday, March 3rd.

Qualifying and Tech/Contingency scheduled for Thursday, March 4th**
- ** Qualifying for 2021 will be moved from Apex to Primm

Race Days will be Friday and Saturday, March 5th & 6th

A couple of key updates:

- Qualifying/Start order will be based on registration order. No draw.
- Motos will run an entirely separate course
- Car/Truck course will include 20-25% new race course

Updates will be posted to the website as they become available. For more details, go here:

 

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What is the likelihood that this race gets shut down like the SNORE race? Not being an ass, just asking for a local to give some input.
 

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Neither will sunrises, hangovers, and SPAM phone calls...but yet we still find a way to put our shoes on in the morning and get to work.

Covid will be here the same way Polio is still here. You adapt and overcome or go extinct.
Polio is gone cuz there’s a vaccine for it. Spam phone calls are a huge problem though. There’s no stopping that poop. Hangovers and sunrises mix as well as you adapt I guess.
 

J Prich

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What is the likelihood that this race gets shut down like the SNORE race? Not being an ass, just asking for a local to give some input.
I don't have a way to put a number on it and I imagine the landscape is changing daily, if not hourly in some aspects. Between car/truck, bike, and youth classes we have over 200 entries already pre registered for the event and our team is moving forward with primary and contingency planning to do everything we can on our end to make this go. At this stage of the game there are no obvious red flags that I'm aware of. There are a fair amount of hands in the decision making cookie jar when it comes to this stuff (federal, state, local) but we are moving forward with planning and have not seen anything at this point that would prevent the race from taking place.
 

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What is the likelihood that this race gets shut down like the SNORE race? Not being an ass, just asking for a local to give some input.

The mint has more money behind it. Better for business than a SNORE race in their eyes. Just my opinion.
 

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Neither will sunrises, hangovers, and SPAM phone calls...but yet we still find a way to put our shoes on in the morning and get to work.

Covid will be here the same way Polio is still here. You adapt and overcome or go extinct.
I agree that life goes on Dave, but HUMANS are what make decisions. We haven't adapted and overcome yet, so the emotional responses that do things like cancel events when the events are not what spreads this are what we have to plan around. Who knows whether this virus will kill us all off or not? The issue is not about that, it is about what some city councils or federal or state agencies are going to do. You nor I have control over that.
 

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The mint has more money behind it. Better for business than a SNORE race in their eyes. Just my opinion.
I am saying this without any real knowledge of the exact circumstances that impacted the SNORE race but my guess is that money was not a factor. I could be wrong, but I don't think the go/no go decision that impacted the SNORE race was made based on how much revenue was or wasn't going to be generated from the event.

For what it's worth, we're still 60 days out here so given how much things have changed by day and week, it's hard to speculate about exactly what things will look like in late Feb. But again, from our POV, the bottom line is planning is moving forward and our intent is to put on a great event.
 

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I am saying this without any real knowledge of the exact circumstances that impacted the SNORE race but my guess is that money was not a factor. I could be wrong, but I don't think the go/no go decision that impacted the SNORE race was made based on how much revenue was or wasn't going to be generated from the event.

For what it's worth, we're still 60 days out here so given how much things have changed by day and week, it's hard to speculate about exactly what things will look like in late Feb. But again, from our POV, the bottom line is planning is moving forward and our intent is to put on a great event.
My very limited understanding is that the SNORE race was cancelled because the gaming commission threatened to pull the casino's gaming license if they didn't cancel the race. They cited a rule based on the recent worsening of COVID status in the state, i.e. "No Tournaments". The race was entirely on private property owned by the casino. So, they had the power to threaten that, even though it was complete BS and entirely corrupt. It was worse than "last minute" because qualifying had already happened. There was absolutely no way at that point the race could have been moved.

Mint 400 organizers theoretically have plenty of time to figure out what happened and prevent it from happening again. They can demonstrate that it is not a "tournament" ahead of time (SNORE race wasn't either, but they had no time to argue). And the heavier restrictions could be lifted by March and it may not even matter. Also, the Mint is not exclusively on land owned by one casino. There could be chances to adjust the plan as our varying political overlords signal their virtue between now and race time. Sure it could get cancelled or postponed or moved or whatever, but I don't think it will be for the same reason as the SNORE race. As the cliché of the year goes, "This is unprecedented."
 

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My very limited understanding is that the SNORE race was cancelled because the gaming commission threatened to pull the casino's gaming license if they didn't cancel the race. They cited a rule based on the recent worsening of COVID status in the state, i.e. "No Tournaments". The race was entirely on private property owned by the casino. So, they had the power to threaten that, even though it was complete BS and entirely corrupt. It was worse than "last minute" because qualifying had already happened. There was absolutely no way at that point the race could have been moved.

Mint 400 organizers theoretically have plenty of time to figure out what happened and prevent it from happening again. They can demonstrate that it is not a "tournament" ahead of time (SNORE race wasn't either, but they had no time to argue). And the heavier restrictions could be lifted by March and it may not even matter. Also, the Mint is not exclusively on land owned by one casino. There could be chances to adjust the plan as our varying political overlords signal their virtue between now and race time. Sure it could get cancelled or postponed or moved or whatever, but I don't think it will be for the same reason as the SNORE race. As the cliché of the year goes, "This is unprecedented."

Regarding your first point, I agree. I was just making the case that my guess is that the gaming commission or whomever was involved in blocking SNORE was not going to be swayed by a "how much money will be lost" argument. I think they were going to try to shut down whatever it was regardless of scope or scale.

Regarding your second point, I also agree regarding timing. No one can predict what the landscape is going to look like but every event is going to have to be built with a primary and a back up plan (and maybe a back up to the back up) to be able to adapt to constantly changing requirements, etc. But each of these orgs that is putting on events are busting their butts to figure it out and make it happen, and the 2021 Mint is no exception.

Personally I hope everyone is able to pull off their events in spite of all the craziness.
 

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The uncertainty is why
I am saying this without any real knowledge of the exact circumstances that impacted the SNORE race but my guess is that money was not a factor. I could be wrong, but I don't think the go/no go decision that impacted the SNORE race was made based on how much revenue was or wasn't going to be generated from the event.

For what it's worth, we're still 60 days out here so given how much things have changed by day and week, it's hard to speculate about exactly what things will look like in late Feb. But again, from our POV, the bottom line is planning is moving forward and our intent is to put on a great event.
The uncertainty is why I pulled my entry from the Mint. I am from North Carolina, so it's a big plan for me to get there. I was in tech when the race got cancelled so I admit to being a little spooked to register, drive, fly, etc. to get there to have the government pull some last minute BS
 

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I thought the SNORE race got canceled because JPrich drank a White Claw at the Tree Bar, At least thats what I heard LOL Just kidding. Haha

We need to sign up for the Mint. With the new changes in logistics we are racing for sure.

Mike
 

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I raced the Mint moto race in 2018 and got held up mid race because the sxs race had started and cost me about a minute of sitting there. It was a fun course and it had just rained so it was a really fun race. I actually missed a ribbon and ended up doing backward on the truck course for a couple hundred yards. Overall that was a fun race and I am glad I did it. Most likely a one and done for me.

I do understand that these races can only be run on so much of the desert but I am not super into the rough lapped out Nevada stuff. Same with San Felipe/Borrego stuff. Blast me through some weeds and lets find some new roads where 40" tires and 3' of wheel travel aren't required. I changed a tampon while typing this.
 

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I raced the Mint moto race in 2018 and got held up mid race because the sxs race had started and cost me about a minute of sitting there. It was a fun course and it had just rained so it was a really fun race. I actually missed a ribbon and ended up doing backward on the truck course for a couple hundred yards. Overall that was a fun race and I am glad I did it. Most likely a one and done for me.

I do understand that these races can only be run on so much of the desert but I am not super into the rough lapped out Nevada stuff. Same with San Felipe/Borrego stuff. Blast me through some weeds and lets find some new roads where 40" tires and 3' of wheel travel aren't required. I changed a tampon while typing this.
Fair points. A completely separate moto course (except for Start/Finish and one shared remote pit) will go a long way to improving the timing issues...BOTH moto and car/truck guys will now have more time on course because one course will not be dependent upon the other being cleared first.

The 2021 Mint moto course will involve more single track and will avoid virtually all of the big whopped out car/truck sections so that should help for anyone who shares your dislike for that sort of thing.
 

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My very limited understanding is that the SNORE race was cancelled because the gaming commission threatened to pull the casino's gaming license if they didn't cancel the race. They cited a rule based on the recent worsening of COVID status in the state, i.e. "No Tournaments". The race was entirely on private property owned by the casino. So, they had the power to threaten that, even though it was complete BS and entirely corrupt. It was worse than "last minute" because qualifying had already happened. There was absolutely no way at that point the race could have been moved.

Mint 400 organizers theoretically have plenty of time to figure out what happened and prevent it from happening again. They can demonstrate that it is not a "tournament" ahead of time (SNORE race wasn't either, but they had no time to argue). And the heavier restrictions could be lifted by March and it may not even matter. Also, the Mint is not exclusively on land owned by one casino. There could be chances to adjust the plan as our varying political overlords signal their virtue between now and race time. Sure it could get cancelled or postponed or moved or whatever, but I don't think it will be for the same reason as the SNORE race. As the cliché of the year goes, "This is unprecedented."
Basically,,,,,,, More time to grease slimy ass Sisylicks hand... wouldn't be the 1st time. He's a HUGE POS!
 
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Fair points. A completely separate moto course (except for Start/Finish and one shared remote pit) will go a long way to improving the timing issues...BOTH moto and car/truck guys will now have more time on course because one course will not be dependent upon the other being cleared first.

The 2021 Mint moto course will involve more single track and will avoid virtually all of the big whopped out car/truck sections so that should help for anyone who shares your dislike for that sort of thing.
I sure hope they have more than the 100' of single track they had last year. Worst bike race ive ever raced. I said I would never race it again but im making plans to race it again this year.
 
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Interesting. When BITD ran it we had a super sweet course with loads of singletrack and fun double t

Interesting. When BITD ran it we had a super sweet course with loads of singletrack and fun double track.
I heard the same thing about the BITD course but last years course was the big roller whoops from the truck course and I guess what they considered single track 3'-4' wide trail with deep sand whoops and a little bit of fire roads. Oh I forgot the 100' of slightly rocky downhill. I understand that the course cant be NHHR style because of the different caliber of riders and the different types of bikes but I'm pretty sure nobody likes to ride 100's of miles of whoops especially those poor guys on the Harleys.
 
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