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6100, TTspec, Baja Truck only thread

43mod

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I have a huge problem w the Brenthal guys. They pretty much have me as a hater. The dirty SOBs keep posting about taking trades and financing. Kind of like being in Paris w credit. Smart decisions tend to slip away w temptation. Please stop the 6100 porn hustle.
 

michael.gonzalez

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I have a huge problem w the Brenthal guys. They pretty much have me as a hater. The dirty SOBs keep posting about taking trades and financing. Kind of like being in Paris w credit. Smart decisions tend to slip away w temptation. Please stop the 6100 porn hustle.
What's your beef with Brenthel exactly?

Are you upset they take trade-ins as a down payment?
 

Zac Reish

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I have a huge problem w the Brenthal guys. They pretty much have me as a hater. The dirty SOBs keep posting about taking trades and financing. Kind of like being in Paris w credit. Smart decisions tend to slip away w temptation. Please stop the 6100 porn hustle.
Every car dealership does it why not do it with the vehicles they sell? Seems like a smart business decision if it makes them more money and gets more of their vehicles in the dirt.
 

MTPyle

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Perris, yes.
Paris, France. No.

How is this relevant?
Pretty sure he is being sarcastic about being a hater if Brenthal. Hehe and I have been to Paris, with my wife no less. LOL

Brenthal has figured out how to make it easy to buy and upgrade trucks from them. Got to give them credit for that.

Mike
 

MTPyle

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just a dumb question, can ford bodys run gm eng, & vise- versa?(6100
Jon,

Ford stopped paying posers. You need a ford body and Ford engine now to get contingency money from them. That was not always the case, in the past they would pay for just Ford bodies but had specifics on how they were labeled.

Ford also pays teams that have Ford chase vehicles along with their ford bodied and powered race vehicles. They have been huge for our sport.

There are almost no GM TT bodies, most teams run Ford bodies with GM engine.

GM could give a rats a$$ about our sport, which is too bad.

But to answer your question you can run whatever body you want. Spec truck is unlimited in that regard, just needs to look like a truck.

Since ford
 

jon coleman

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yup, thats good.im bfg /ford /valvoline /bilstiens only guy( except when the only class i could afford required diff tires
 

Fourstroker

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I stand by my Dec 25th Assertion. Read more, post less. There will be way fewer conversations like this where you have no clue.

Here's a couple hints - not Paris, France and 43Mod doesn't hate Brenthel. I promise
 

michael.gonzalez

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I stand by my Dec 25th Assertion. Read more, post less. There will be way fewer conversations like this where you have no clue.

Here's a couple hints - not Paris, France and 43Mod doesn't hate Brenthel. I promise
Paris Del Noche?
He said he was a hater and he called them "Dirty SOB's" so I was just asking why he hates them. That is all.
He then responded to my question with "Have you been to Paris?" which doesn't really help clarify the situation.
I'm assuming 43mod has been with the Brenthel brothers at Paris del Noche for a wild night? Is that the joke?

I have worked at Brenthel and was curious what the hate was about. That is all. Apparently it was a sarcastic joke that I don't get.
I admit they will be tough competition (their trucks, not them as drivers) for us when our truck is ready to compete against theirs.
Also. BrenthEl. Not BrenthAl. They made the second "E" red but nobody seems to catch on.


New Topic to avoid hi-jack: (Underdrives) (I apologize if I hi-jacked. Just was trying to understand the hate for Brenthel)
Are there any 6100 teams that are still running no-underdrives? (We are on the fence still as it's a balance of budget and longevity)
How much do ring gear failure-rates drop when running an underdrive with stronger r&p ratios? 50% less failures? 90% less failures?
Have any teams had an underdrive itself fail in a race?
 
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MTPyle

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Here is my take on underdrives.

Pro's
Less load on rear end
Cheaper Ring and Pinions (although when we went to get a set from Gear works the 4.11 was the same price as the 5.78)
More gear options (especially important with 40" tires)
Easier to quick change to Qualifying set up
Slower drive line speed, less vibration
Less load on trans

Con's
Expensive (figure at least $7K)
Need new drive lines that are shorter and have 1480 Universal on under drive side
Needs maintenance (fortin needs to be sent off every race to maintain warranty, its nice they have a warranty)
Moves Torque load to chassis and creates more chassis twist on acceleration
Still need to service 3rd member even though R&P are stronger the bearings and wear parts of 3rd still need service
More weight on truck- Underdrive, larger U joint, and mounts it adds up
HP loss in more friction and drag- I have heard from 10hp to 30hp loss with underdrive. But this is hearsay.


I am sure there are other things I am missing. I for sure don't know much about these. But this is a good starting point of a Pro and Con.


Personally I am glad we did it. I feel like our set up is strong and works great. Overall I think the change cost us about $15K all in with the Fortin. The fortin is great but my opinion is the Mason is stronger and a better unit but would have cost us over $20K all in.

Side note, We had a local shop modify our drivelines with the 1480 U and slip. That was a mistake as 2 failed at the Mint, that was the first driveline failure for us. We just got JEReel complete new drivelines made which is what we had before and are built right. don't mess with anything but the best with drivelines.

Mike
 

Jerry Zaiden

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Mike,

Actually more load on the rear end as it is adding more torque. THink about why you need larger U-Joints etc...

Only pro is slower drive line speeds, so therefor moving the harmonic vibration to a speed the trucks don't get to/or get to often. I like the underdrive for this reason.

Other than that they rob power, they cost more, and parts like drive shafts cost more. The whole less expensive thing I really don't understand why people think this. We never broke 5.83 R&P they just wore out. Either way they get run X-amount of miles then get replaced.
 

MTPyle

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Jerry,

Thanks for the response, you know way more than I do about this stuff so I appreciate your comment.

The sales premise of the under drive was it will be cheaper in the long run, that is simply not the case. I can buy a lot of 5.83 R&P for what I spent to put the Under drive on. My initial thought was I could run the same 3rd member all season but thats also not the case. so the savings are not real.

Still there are some advantages but cost is not one. For the record I voted for Underdrive when BITD asked but at that time I did not know the facts. I bet many were not fully up to speed on the implications of adding a Under Drive to 6100 when they did the vote.

Mike
 

Bro-Dozer Motorsports

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From our research the big advantage would be the ratio options to help offset the 40" tire. We currently do not run an underdrive in our truck because we ran outta money and time towards completion of the truck haha. I did notice we were lacking in some places around the track power wise buuut we have a few other issues to sort out with tuning before we blame our shortcomings on the lack of an underdrive.
 

Jerry Zaiden

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Jerry,

Thanks for the response, you know way more than I do about this stuff so I appreciate your comment.

The sales premise of the under drive was it will be cheaper in the long run, that is simply not the case. I can buy a lot of 5.83 R&P for what I spent to put the Under drive on. My initial thought was I could run the same 3rd member all season but thats also not the case. so the savings are not real.

Still there are some advantages but cost is not one. For the record I voted for Underdrive when BITD asked but at that time I did not know the facts. I bet many were not fully up to speed on the implications of adding a Under Drive to 6100 when they did the vote.

Mike
I think the underdrives are a needed item due to the harmonic vibrations of the drive shaft speeds. Some people can get the vibrations out while other people can't. All in all they will make the trucks safer, faster because you won't need to slow down due to the vibration in the 80-90mph range, but like you said cost will go up significantly.
 
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