Baja 1000 Zero Emission Challenge

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Hydrogen production can be totally green. A solar still can produce Hydrogen from water. Saudi Arabia (Dakar) is spending 10 Billion dollars on such a plant. Fortescue (Aus Mining Co) is building a huge hydrogen project in the dessert. Liquid cryogenic hydrogen can be dispensed like gasoline. At 200 below zero it is safe, non explosive and obviates the need for any radiators which reduces drag and weight. Welding gas suppliers can and do supply it 24/7/365 worldwide. We may also explore swappable tanks like your BBQ. The range of our trucks will be up to 1200 miles so refueling happens much less often. Liquid hydrogen costs about $1.50 a gallon energy equivalent to gasoline. There are major companies involved with us. In volume our pickup will be priced competitively with super duty pickups. We've sim'd a Cyber Truck on the Baja 1000. It wouldn't make pit one. We think our truck can make all pits and finish in class 2 times.
We've a geothermal powered hydrogen plant running here in NZ that from what I'm told will be powering all the vehicles around the Japanese Olympics (no comment re how they're shipping it to Japan). From what I understand, Cummins has also been a major financial contributor to the project.
 

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Jesse James recently posted about his work with hydrogen some years ago, I believe for a land speed car. Sounds like that project didn't really get anywhere. Wondering if technology at the time was not as advanced to allow for it today?

I occasionally see the Toyota Mirai (mirai) cars with a "Fuel Cell" tag on them. Apparently hydrogen converted to electricity for power. I know there is a hydrogen refueling station in Santa Monica that was put in a little over 10 years ago. Wondering why this hasn't really taken off. Seems like the cars are well priced and get decent mileage at 400 miles to a tank and quicker refueling rates than electric.

What is involved with refueling in remote area's of Baja? Would a giant chase tanker have to be driven around for refueling a race vehicle?
Cuz you have to fill a tank...not cool with the plug in zealots...
 

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We've a geothermal powered hydrogen plant running here in NZ that from what I'm told will be powering all the vehicles around the Japanese Olympics (no comment re how they're shipping it to Japan). From what I understand, Cummins has also been a major financial contributor to the project.
Olympics are gettin cancelled...
 

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Can Be? Is it up to the manufacture?
Yes. Green Hydrogen is made by distilling water. In the dessert it can be done with a solar still or solar generated power. Blue Hydrogen is a by product of refining. Hydrogen works in ICE engines as well as a FC which basically generates electricity on board with zero emissions. No need for 1800 lbs of batteries like Fords BEV pickup truck. Much longer range. Can be refilled anywhere as welding gas/oxygen Le tc. Is. It's a super cooled liquid. Our Pickup can refuel pin 15 seconds. We'd bring a tanker to the BF Goodrich pits like gasoline. Our goal is the pickup zero Emmison mass market. Our trucks are also 85KW geni's so a contractor wouldn't need to bring a diesel geni.
 

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They use compression to keep it liquid instead of cooling. They use the cooling to produce the liquid from refined gas state. Really no different that liquid oxygen or liquid nitrogen at that point. Can be transported in bottles to refill tank on vehicle. Driver of said fueling truck will need commercial hazmat endorsement.
 

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They use compression to keep it liquid instead of cooling. They use the cooling to produce the liquid from refined gas state. Really no different that liquid oxygen or liquid nitrogen at that point. Can be transported in bottles to refill tank on vehicle. Driver of said fueling truck will need commercial hazmat endorsement.
Yes stays cold in our tanks for 100 days.
 

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Hydrogen is the absolute worst alternative energy source possible which is why it is being pushed by the fossil fuel industry so hard. Hydrogen does not exist in nature by itself, it is all attached to other molecules and has to be "cracked" in order to isolate it for use. This energy conversion takes massive amounts of fossil fuels or electricity (which is still largely generated by fossil fuels) and is added to the losses converting the hydrogen back to electricity to power the vehicle. Then there is the energy required to compress it into cylinders or cells. That's why they are behind it because they get to sell way more fossil fuel with hydrogen than any other fuel source. It's way more efficient if you are going to generate electricity to just use that to electricity directly to run the vehicle. Also the pollution that is missing from the fuel cell car tailpipe is more than made up for in the processing steps of the hydrogen.
If hydrogen fuel cell technology is to become popular the energy and pollution costs will be huge.
 

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Hydrogen is the absolute worst alternative energy source possible which is why it is being pushed by the fossil fuel industry so hard. Hydrogen does not exist in nature by itself, it is all attached to other molecules and has to be "cracked" in order to isolate it for use. This energy conversion takes massive amounts of fossil fuels or electricity (which is still largely generated by fossil fuels) and is added to the losses converting the hydrogen back to electricity to power the vehicle. Then there is the energy required to compress it into cylinders or cells. That's why they are behind it because they get to sell way more fossil fuel with hydrogen than any other fuel source. It's way more efficient if you are going to generate electricity to just use that to electricity directly to run the vehicle. Also the pollution that is missing from the fuel cell car tailpipe is more than made up for in the processing steps of the hydrogen.
If hydrogen fuel cell technology is to become popular the energy and pollution costs will be
Hydrogen is the absolute worst alternative energy source possible which is why it is being pushed by the fossil fuel industry so hard. Hydrogen does not exist in nature by itself, it is all attached to other molecules and has to be "cracked" in order to isolate it for use. This energy conversion takes massive amounts of fossil fuels or electricity (which is still largely generated by fossil fuels) and is added to the losses converting the hydrogen back to electricity to power the vehicle. Then there is the energy required to compress it into cylinders or cells. That's why they are behind it because they get to sell way more fossil fuel with hydrogen than any other fuel source. It's way more efficient if you are going to generate electricity to just use that to electricity directly to run the vehicle. Also the pollution that is missing from the fuel cell car tailpipe is more than made up for in the processing steps of the hydrogen.
If hydrogen fuel cell technology is to become popular the energy and pollution costs will be huge.
The sun is powered by hydrogen.
Without the sun the earth as we know it wouldn't exist.
Distilling hydrogen can be totally zero emission.
A BEV vehicle won't make pit 1 at The Baja 1000.
 

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The sun is powered by hydrogen.
Without the sun the earth as we know it wouldn't exist.
Distilling hydrogen can be totally zero emission.
A BEV vehicle won't make pit 1 at The Baja 1000.
How do you "distill" hydrogen? Better yet, how do you separate it from the oxygen in water with "zero emissions"?
 

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How do you "distill" hydrogen? Better yet, how do you separate it from the oxygen in water with "zero emissions"?
Put a bucket of water in the dessert.
Put a filter that allows hydrogen to pass thru but not oxygen on top of the bucket.
Put an inverted bucket on top of the filter.
You can also capture the electricity created when evaporation causes the H2O bonds to break and use it to compress the hydrogen in the top bucket which will cool it and turn it into liquid hydrogen.
 

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Put a bucket of water in the dessert.
Put a filter that allows hydrogen to pass thru but not oxygen on top of the bucket.
Put an inverted bucket on top of the filter.
You can also capture the electricity created when evaporation causes the H2O bonds to break and use it to compress the hydrogen in the top bucket which will cool it and turn it into liquid hydrogen.
There is no such "filter". Everything you typed is complete fantasy.
 
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