Baja 500 Race - BE SAFE & NEVER FORGET

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Im sorry, but this perspective is incredibly flawed. Along with most of this thread.

I realize thats unpopular, but it is the truth.
Please tell me why it’s “incredibly flawed”? You have hosted a race in San Felipe. What was the cost vs in the states?

Remember most of SCORE is in Mexico. Actual people on the payroll.


Read just below “Welcome to the Crystal Bay Casino” who are the owners. Guess what. They own more then just this little place.

I’m all about working hard and getting a return on your work. I did it for many years and enjoying retirement at a young age. I’m just saying Roger can afford it, but everyone goes around saying “they” should just raise the entry fee.

How about the racers pushing back a little and putting more pressure on Roger and SCORE. I know someone with an M in their name that convinced SCORE to finally adjust the course for the bikes to finish on a different course in the SF250.
 
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Multiple people have made statements about the amount and type of insurance.

Many races, including SCORE, have legit insurance. Im sure some dont.

San Felipe was 4x the cost of any other U4 any other series race.

I should have stayed clear of this one.

It is entirely too emotionally charged to have a productive and open conversation.

Sincerest regards to Holly and all of Marks family and friends.

Dave
 
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I think it’s unpopular because so many truly don’t know, and I think many assume they ARE covered by the orgs somehow.
I’ve been racing all my life NEVER ones thought the racing organization was gonna pay any of my medical expenses let alone take care of my family. I can’t even comprehend where people would get this thought. If your racing you better have good medical coverage and great life insurance!!!
 

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Sheepdog,



Not to derail the importance of this thread. Would you share your backpack (BOK) list on a new thread? It would be very helpful to the off road community and people traveling in Baja to carry these items. Of course a YouTube training video on usage would be a incredible asset for anyone to watch. Time and reaction is of the essence and it could save a life no matter where you are.

Here you go:

 

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With all due respect. No one take offense to anything.

I've seen this happen multiple times in my life. Guy's dying, or permenantly disabled; and families not prepared for the potential concequences hardships afterward.
The
consequences of severe injury and death are frankly not remote chances; if you get an accident you're very likely to get injured or
die.
Motorcycles riders chances of injuries/ death being exponentially worse.
You may as well have add six 000000 zeros after the word.. motorcycle.
I've lost a brother on a motorcycle.
And since the 1984, I personally known 12 people who have died on motorcycles.
Here's the kicker... With the exception of my brother who was a Postal worker with good insurance and tripled his life insurance 6 months before he was killed, get this
Not a single guy not a single one of them had life insurance. At least half of them had families as well.

This is not just regarding the risk from racing, you stand a very good chance of dying on the way to work everyday.
I was married for 28 years thought the sun would never set! We both worked hard, moved to the desert from L A. built a dream home.
Wife got cancer and died in VERY short order , 4 months from diagnosis to death.
I have no children, very little family my wife was everything. We didn't prepare well, we never talked about it; never talked about a contingency plan of what ifs,.
A different points I had very good life insurance policies with a couple companies I worked for but when the economies, 2008 etc.. collapsed and all the jobs went overseas insurance becomi g prohibitively ridiculously expensive for two people trying to make a living.
So after spending a life together, after she died I pretty much lost everything, and starting from scratch my early 50s, and it sucks!
In my situation even though we were married our accounts and incomes were separate and we did not have "a will" that is what really put me in a very bad situation I had no access to my wise finances I had to go to probate on my own home.... And that's when the bill collectors started to sink their claws in.. had we had a will and been prepared for a little more time to talk about it things would have been different.
SO THOSE OF YOU ARE MARRIED AND FINANCES ARE SEPARATE , OR DO NOT HAVE A WILL..GET THAT poop TAKEN CARE OF SOON!! LOL 😄 just saying 👌

And to the woman who this post is regarding, I totally get it! I was totally "lost " for a good two years in a "grey fog". It's the only time in my life where time is lost and I cannot pinpoint months even a good year of my life, on a timeline.
I could not even imagine having the responsibility of two children.
As far as the racing organization allowing racers to face each other in an off-road race in opposite directions and at night.
If you look at it with all the gray area removed and just black and white.
YES that's unacceptable.. in "this day and age".
I don't have any affiliation with any racing organization other than an enthusiast I've had many fast cars road racing motorcycles, off road bikes etc... That's as far as I take it..it's still "stupid"dangerous 🙄even not racing.
Here's all I have for a suggestion to anyone & everyone:
Sit down talk with your loved ones and your families and also do a lot of self-reflection.
Research and set up as soon as possible any form of insurance for medical care and your loved ones.
This should just be a natural conversation with any couple and ( I realize it doesn't happen I'm living proof) but it really always needs to be at the forefront whether you're leaving your house to go to the supermarket or racing the Baja 500.
Perhaps somebody well versed in insurance could put together a suggested "BASIC"package on paper with different tiers for people to view and if they like it they could take that advice.

We all do this probably out of laziness or just not wanting to think of a potential catastrophic outcome., It's not in our nature

When it comes to insurance there are a lot of hidden clauses and pitfalls that's for sure.. so if people "in the know" could shareh justbasic suggestions for people on various budgets, they could present for people to get an idea or review, That could be awesome, and help ease the lingering tragedy of one's death it's hard enough on the survivors, some can handle the situations well but a lot can't. Accident and illnesses can happen fast faster than you can react..
So just think about it, think about the endeavor you're going to undertake the risks you're going to put yourself in the situations that the racing organization provides or doesn't provide.
Also and for the average guy before you spend $6,000 on shock absorbers for a truck project... Think equally about putting some money aside and purchasing and researching some kick-ass insurance and safety nets whatever measure you choose...👍
For anyone spending 50 to $200,000k or more on a racing endeavor it should be a prerequisite regardless. As there is no excuse other than flat out just not being prepared/responsible.
If someone has enough money to build a trophy truck they can hire the help they need tidy up potential loose ends with insurance policies

Again just suggestions nobody need to take offense there's no perfect scenario.

Best wishes to all👍
 
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This old rz
1st off sorry for the loss of your wife....that just sucks and I hope she did not suffer from cancer. I have lost friends to cancer and it can be quick or drawn out for years. I get the "grey fog" thing, I lost my son 3 years ago to a distracted driver and he was on a motorcycle. He grew up riding motorcycles in the desert and was very experienced but no match for a young driver with no auto insurance in a 3500lb car.

I think your post is very well written and if people could take the time to think about what is said, it would make a huge difference in their loved ones lives! We as human's think "that will never happen to me" but it happens daily, and to unsuspecting people all the time.

Just my 0.02
Have a great day!
 
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This old RZ, I am sorry for the loss of your bride.

I'm just about 60. I need to put together a basic will.

My "life insurance" is that my wife gets my retirement pension when I pass.

We've put as much stuff in her name, jointly, with survivorship, etc., to reduce the hassles.
 

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Holly, every time I see you post about this, it saddens and infuriates me. Sal was a stand up guy. He would stay at the start line until every racer had started. We have had our own issues with Roger Norman. I wish you lots of love and peace. I am glad to see you stand up for Mark and your family. We still wear Marks fund raiser shirts. ❤️
 

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Lets not let the helicopters at night thing that.....that one group had worked out...fade away. That would save A LOT of lives.

--John
 

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I agree the no helicopters are night is dumb on race day. That rule needs to go and allow permits for race day for support and medical helicopters.

That’s such an easy thing that will work.

Mike
 

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I agree with adding helo's at night, however I assume that proposal would come with a few financial impacts.
1- SCORE acquiring permits to fly helo's at night in MX. From what I understand this is a unicorn achievement.
2 - SCORE hiring pilots that are equipped to fly helo's at night. I assume each crew member would need to be highly trained under NVG's in order to safely land and retrieve a downed rider/driver.

With racers bitching about entry fees, I doubt this will ever happen. I'm starting to think SCORE is under funded.......
 

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I am not sure I see too many racers complain about entry fees. The entry fee is the cheapest part. Haha

I think the non racers or guys that can’t afford to race complain.

Night ops are done in the states all the time safely.

Mike
 

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I am not sure I see too many racers complain about entry fees. The entry fee is the cheapest part. Haha

I think the non racers or guys that can’t afford to race complain.

Night ops are done in the states all the time safely.

Mike
I recall seeing posts about racers ( not the 1%) talking about rising costs in entry fee's. I don't get it, but apparently guys think a few grand is too buck for the bang. (I'm not a racer, but my fuel costs to and from Baja for a yearly funrun perun trip is more than an entry fee) To me, entry fee's seem undervalued compared to any other motorsport. However there is no transparency on what that entry fee includes/covers.

Professional night ops come with a BIG cost. You don't want a rescue mission turning into a rescue mission. I know some helicopter firms are into desert racing. Maybe they could chime in on what it would take to get civilian night ops up and running in MX?
 
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Transport helicopters in the states rely on trained personnel on the ground to determine safe landing areas in the dark. They don't just go anywhere and land. That's one of the reasons they use the hoist in remote areas, so they don't have to land. So ground transport to a safe landing area for a helo is still gonna be needed. The courses are not all flat roads and freeways.
 

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I cant be the only one who remembers the thread a little BC (Before Covid if your not up with the terms) about a group getting military choppers/escorts/cooperation.....somthing so they coud fly at night durring the races and then the thread vanished.....someone on here has to be in that group that was getting that going.

Possibly we could start a donation fund for getting this going to score? Count Wild Power Sports in for a few thousand into the fund.

--John
 

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Great ideas on the night flying, my understanding is the drug wars and not flying at night in an entire country is a tad bit more important then a race for a few hundred gringos in a small part of Baja. There are hundreds of events in the us that we never heard of or see with passionate chat boards and lots of justification for changing the rules in the United States.

In the big picture the Baja races are insignificant in the country of Mexico as a whole…. Important to many on here, heck even a way of life. Don’t see an exception coming.
 
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I am not sure I see too many racers complain about entry fees. The entry fee is the cheapest part. Haha

I think the non racers or guys that can’t afford to race complain.

Night ops are done in the states all the time safely.

Mike
Entry numbers in multiple classes say otherwise. They get TONS of 516's, 11's and 1600's at CODE and RECORD racing on some of the same exact areas but for 1/4 the cost. If you think entry fee's don't effect numbers you are NOT paying attention to anything but high dollar classes. Two 516's at the 500. Over 20 on the list for the next Record race. Wake up.
 
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