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Discussion in 'Desert Racing' started by snoreracer, Oct 16, 2014.

  1. GloryBigs

    GloryBigs Well-Known Member

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    This Is Correct.

    I went to last nights meeting and saw a few OHV guys there. Casey Folks was there and didn't look to happy.

    This one is serious guys. The best bet for us is Keeping "Alternate #1" (The current RMP) instead of adopting Alternates 2-3 which change the designation from allowing OHV on "Existing Roads, Trails and Dry Washes" to "Only Designated Routes".

    If they don't "designate it" you wont be allowed on it.

    We need to STOP THIS!
     
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  2. x9racer

    x9racer Well-Known Member

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    It seams the BLM has it set what they are going to do with this plan after they say your comment does not count if it has already been submitted. I would say we need to after the governor as he has to approve the plan.
     
  3. x9racer

    x9racer Well-Known Member

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    Here is the email to contact Nevada governor Brian Sandoval

    gov.nv.gov/Contact/Email-the-Governor/

    Tell him how this plan well have an adverse affect on tourism in Nevada . Tell the governor this will hurt rural community's . Tell the governor this is not what Nevadans want.
     
  4. GloryBigs

    GloryBigs Well-Known Member

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    Funny you should say that, maybe you were at the meeting and heard my argument with the BLM reps.

    They basically said to me if they get 5,000 comments and they all make the same point they count it as one comment. That is not right.

    Apparently the BLM Rangers know how to count, because when they had 500+ guns aimed at them at Bundy incident they called in LV Metro for backup.

    They need to count each concern, from each citizen, as an independent comment that stands on its own.

    Go to the meetings guys!

    Las Vegas As part of the draft Resource Management Plan (RMP) and draft environmental impact statement (EIS) for the Las Vegas and Pahrump Field Offices, the Bureau of Land Management will host five public meetings the first two weeks of November.
    • November 3 – Laughlin Library, 2840 South Needles Hwy, Laughlin
    • November 5 – James I. Gibson Library, 100 W. Lake Mead Parkway, Henderson
    • November 6 – Amargosa Valley Community Center, 821 E. Farm Road, Amargosa Valley
    • November 12 – Las Vegas Library, 833 Las Vegas Blvd North, Las Vegas
    • November 13– Bob Rudd Community Center, 150 N State Route (Highway) 160, Pahrump
    All meetings will have same format. The public meetings will be held from 3 p.m. - 7 p.m. and will be an open house format where participants can ask questions and visit various resource stations, with formal presentations at 3:15 p.m., 4:15 p.m., 5:15 p.m., and 6:15 p.m. Court reporters and comment forms will be available for submission of public comments.
     
  5. x9racer

    x9racer Well-Known Member

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    WE MUST NOT STAND IDLE

    IT IS TIME TO ACT!

    It is time to overwhelm The County Commissioners, The State Legislatures, The Governor and The County Sheriff with emails, phone calls and even written letters.

    It is very simple , say NO to the bureaucrats and give access to the people for recreation and use of the resources.

    We want plan #1 with and open area in the jean - Primm area

    HERE ARE LINKS FOR CONTACT INFO:


    Nevada State Assembly

    http://asm.leg.state.nv.us/Assembly/Assembly-Members.aspx

    Governor

    http://gov.nv.gov/contact/

    Clark County Commissioners

    http://www.clarkcountynv.gov/depts/countycommissioners/Pages/ContactUs.aspx

    Clark County Sheriff

    http://www.lvmpd.com/ContactUs.aspx
     
  6. ss415

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  7. snoreracer

    snoreracer Well-Known Member

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    I have been talking to some talking to a few recreational land use coalitions and have sent them some of the issues with this plan and they have said THE MISTAKES AND UNETHICAL PROCEEDINGS OF THIS COMMENT PERIOD LEAVE THE BLM OPEN FOR LEGAL ACTIONS.
    I have contacted a land use lawyer to see if we can go that route . In the mean time if you are in Las Vegas this Tuesday for the SNORE meeting at 7pm , we will be working on a game plan and have a special guest to talk about these issues

     
  8. GloryBigs

    GloryBigs Well-Known Member

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    Could you send me the location of the Tuesday meeting? I am doing everything I can to fight this. Thanks
     
  9. 200MPHTape

    200MPHTape Well-Known Member

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    Since Bundy was brought up, here is a letter I got from Carol. Might shed some light as to why "Harry Reid's declaration "This is not over" is proving to be uncharacteristically accurate." The decision is made they are just going through the motions!!!


    Hi,
    I hope all is well with you and yours.
    Sadly things here on the ranch have taken a turn for the worse.
    It seems that the BLM played its hand in retaliatory fashion.

    My son Ammon has put together some information as to how the BLM intends to steal our ranch away from us, this time by declaring it to be an "Area Of Critical Environmental Concern". This is the BLMs way to go around congress and declare Bundy ranch a wilderness area. It is an abuse of power an we ask that you contact your representatives in congress and tell them the American people will not stand for unelected representatives pushing people off the land using administrative closures to create the equivalent of wilderness areas without congressional approval and the only reason they are doing this is to punish us for standing our ground.

    You can use this link to find your representatives. http://www.contactingthecongress.org/

    Love,
    Carol
    FEDS RETALIATE AGAINST THE BUNDY RANCH AND THE SOUTHERN NEVADA PEOPLE

    On Friday October 10th, 2014 a Notice from the federal registry reveals that the federal government is mounting retaliations against the Bundy family and the Southern Nevada people.

    Federal Register / Vol. 79, No.197 Notice, outlines plans to make the Bundy ranch and most of the rest of Southern Nevada, Areas of Critical Environmental Concern (ACECs). 90 days from October 10th, 2014 these proposals will become federal law without consent from the Nevada State legislatures or the people of Southern Nevada.

    Areas of Critical Environmental Concern (ACECs) are human restricted management areas. ACECs have been a tool used by the federal government to gain further control of large masses of western lands and the resources.

    As proposed, nearly 3 million acres in Southern Nevada will be locked away from the people. This includes most uses on the land (recreational, agricultural or otherwise).

    Listed below are just a few of the outlined restriction that come with ACECs:

    · Closed Roads
    · Excluded Trails
    · Closed to Camping
    · Closed to Recreational Vehicles
    · Closed to Motorized Travel
    · Closed to Livestock Grazing
    · Restricted Human Hiking
    · Restricted Horseback Riding
    · Exclude Group Recreations
    · Closed to Mineral Development
    · Closed to Water Access
    · Closed to Hunting / Target Shooting

    The Southern Nevada people soon will have less access to their lands than any other people in the history of this country.

    There are 33 new Areas of Critical Environmental Concern (ACECs) proposed to cover Southern Nevada totaling 1,739,795 acres. 12 of the 22 existing ACECs are also proposed to be expanded. (See List Below) The Bureau of Land Management (BLM) filed this lists on October 1st.

    ACECs

    IF YOU ENJOY USING ANY OF THESE AREAS IT IS ABOUT TO CHANGE

    Area Acres Area Acres
    Big Spring Valley 79,958 Muddy Mountains 228,297
    Bitter Spring 61,840 Old SpanishTrail 51,449
    California Wash 11,998 Opel Mountains 77,410
    Gale Hills / Lovell Wash 4,788 Pahrump Valley 41,770
    Grapevine Springs 202 Pahrump Valley to McCullough 274,061
    Highland Range 53,015 Perkins Ranch 408
    Hiko Wash 708 South Bare Mountains 87,692
    Ivanpah Valley 3,134 South Newbury Mountains 26,877
    Invanpah Valley 289,599 Specter Hills 6,603
    Jean Lake 12,692 Devils Hole Hills 283,538
    LaMadre (North & South) 2,431 Spirit Mountain 9,488
    Lava Dune 623 Stewart Valley 5,204
    Logandale 8,118 Stuart Ranch 278
    Lower Mormon Mesa 66,353 Stump Spring 126,952
    Mesa Milkyetch 9,183 Upper Las Vegas Wash 22,244
    Moapa / Mesquite 2,219 Valley of Fire 131,378
    Mt Schader 285 Mormon Mesa 167,594
    Virgin River 8,500 Whitney Pockets 160
    Armagosa Mesquite 9,650 Arden Sites 1,142
    Arrow Canyon 2,070 Ash Meadows 28,202
    Big Dune 2,456 Coyote Spring 51,528
    Crescent Townsites 435 Devils Throat 848
    Gold Butte 346,895 Keyhole Canyon 446
    Hidden Valley 3,356 Piute / Eldorado 352,159
    Rainbow Gardens 39,366 Red Rock Springs 683
    River Mountain 11,029 Stump Springs 646

    Total Restricted Acres 2,767,941

    This is a direct assault on the State of Nevada. It is also a deliberate retaliation against the people for standing against the horrific action of several federal agencies at the Bundy ranch.

    The boldness of the federal government's timing and action on these matters are astonishing. They are again making a clear case that they are willing to use federal power to punish the local people. Harry Reid's declaration "This is not over" is proving to be uncharacteristically accurate.

    Before the Bundy ranch standoff, there were approximately 1 million acres of ACECs in Southern Nevada. Now after the Bundy standoff, the BLM is proposing an additional 1.8 Million acres (a 280% increase) all of which just happens to be in Southern Nevada.

    Although this is not proof, anybody with a little intelligence can see that Harry Reid and the BLM are not protecting the environment; they are punishing their enemies.

    How is it that all newly proposed critical environmental land in the Untied States just happens to reside within miles of the Bundy ranch? Is the land in Southern Nevada so different/dangerous/special/delicate and important?

    From near the beginning of history, tyrannical men have sought to oppress through the control of land and resources, "Control the land and resources, and you have the power to control the people". There is a direct correlation to land and resources with power and wealth. All major powers in world history have gained their power & wealth by conquering the land and controlling the resources.

    It is self-evident that certain men within our government understand this and have implemented these age-old tactics upon the people of this country. For decades they have used government to gain power & wealth for themselves by controlling the land and resources.

    Our founding fathers understood this nature, they drafted the Constitution to protect us from the despotic men that history is so full of. They limited the powers of government by outlining what lands the federal government can control and by separating the powers they hold. Their intent was to quickly dispose the land and resources to the local people, where it is most safe.

    SEE GRAPH BELOW

    Under federal rule, the people that live on or near the land have no say to what happens in their own backyards. They have no republic form of government. The decisions are all made by appointed representatives from Washington D.C. These representatives have no responsibility to the people and there is no practical legal way to hold them accountable. In direct violation of the U.S. Constitution federal agencies use the lands as their own and suppress the rightful stewards.

    At the moment of Statehood land inside the new State is no longer U.S. Territory, and no longer does U.S. Congress or any of the federal agencies have authority to dispose of the land or make any rules or regulations respecting to it. At Statehood it becomes the right and duty of the people of the State to dispose of and regulate all the lands within the boarders of that State. This is called a republic form of government, for the people, by the people.

    The incident at the Bundy ranch indicates that people are beginning to question the legitimacy of federally control lands within their State. It also proves that the people have the courage to stand against despotic government actions. The purpose of the federal government is to protect and uphold the rights of the people, not to profit from the spoils in taking their lands and resources away.

    The recent action of the BLM in creating new federal code (ACECs) to expand their control and power by restricting the people further from their lands is a continuation of illegally controlling land with-in a State.

    SEE GRAPH BELOW

    We call upon our County and State representatives to take courage and end the unconstitutional federal control of land and resources within the State. The legal and rightful control of the land belongs to the local people. The land within the State must be returned to people in a republic form of government. It is time for the State to dispose of the land to the people, open the land up for useful purposes, and protect the preemptive property rights of the people.

    Lest there be any confusion regarding how these new federal rules impact the Bundy family, we will continue ranching as our family has done in the Southern Nevada area for over 137 years. We intend to use our preemptive property rights of grazing and water, the rights that Nevada State law both recognizes and is charged to protect.

    We are not intimidated by the past action of the federal government, nor will we yield to their future attempt to subdue the State or the people. We refuse to submit to unconstitutional codes and regulation that dismantle Statehood and deprived our American neighbors and ourselves of the unalienable right so many of our kinsmen suffered and died for.

    The Bundy Family

    October 25, 2014
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  10. snoreracer

    snoreracer Well-Known Member

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    • November 12 – Las Vegas Library, 833 Las Vegas Blvd North, Las Vegas . This is near cashman field
     
  11. GloryBigs

    GloryBigs Well-Known Member

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    We need every single person we can get to go to this ^ meeting.
     
  12. snoreracer

    snoreracer Well-Known Member

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    Please come to the SNORE meeting tues at 7 as we will be going over this plan so your are informed and we have free tee shirts for the BLM meeting
     
  13. x9racer

    x9racer Well-Known Member

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    I will be there at 6PM
     
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  14. snoreracer

    snoreracer Well-Known Member

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    That is the time I hope that everyone can show up
     
  15. sirhk100

    sirhk100 Well-Known Member

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    WOW is all I can say after leaving the SNORE meeting and seeing the maps and having them explained a bit more for my not so smart mind... Anyone that can attend tomorrow night really needs to be there. This is no joke this time around if you like not only racing in the areas surrounding Vegas but even just recreating in the dirt with a motor in general on any given day of the year!
     
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  16. wanda

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    There's more than racing at stake. The plans call for access by horse or walking. A ten mile hike into the desert is beyond many. A horse is great if you have one, my apartments don't allow animals over 20 lbs, Whether its dirtbikes or quads or UTV's they allow access to beautiful scenic areas as well as cultural and historic sites that would be otherwise impossible to explore.
    Both sides of Hollywood Blvd are fenced and riding prohibited, the backside of Frenchmans as well as the whole of the lake mead "recreation area" are closed.
    Now it's the Birdsprings mtns, Armagossa, Ivanpah Mccullough, Nelson.
    Offroad motorized activities are a minimal threat to desert tortoises compared to raven predation, yet are being singled out.
    We need to be known as a political force to our elected representatives.
    Show up and make it known that we vote.
     
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  17. J Prich

    J Prich Well-Known Member

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    In addition to the above mentioned contacts, I strongly recommend folks use the link below to contact Congressman Joe Heck's office regarding this issue. The Primm/Jean area is in Heck's district. He is now a 3 term GOP rep, Army reserve Doc with combat tours, etc. Even if you aren't in Heck's district, the area in question is.

    Let Congressman Heck's office know that you're unhappy with the BLMs proposals and proposed restrictions on public access to governement land.

    https://heck.house.gov/serving-you/help-federal-agency
     
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  18. GloryBigs

    GloryBigs Well-Known Member

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    The LAST Vegas Meeting is TONIGHT guys.
    Please show up and let your voice be heard.
    FIGHT THIS - What the BLM is doing is the definition of TYRANNY!


    Wednesday, November 12, 2014 –
    Las Vegas Library, 833 Las Vegas Blvd North, Las Vegas, NV 89101

    Thursday, November 13, 2014 – Bob Rudd Community Center, 150 N State Route (Highway) 160, Pahrump, NV 89048


    The public meetings will be held from 3 p.m. - 7 p.m. on the day of each scheduled meeting. The meetings will be an open house format where participants can ask questions and visit various resource stations, with formal presentations at 3:15 p.m., 4:15 p.m., 5:15 p.m., and 6:15 p.m. Court reporters and comment forms will be available for submission of public comments.
     
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  19. snoreracer

    snoreracer Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for posting the link

    I have been asked how will this affect us by many recreational users . And the strait answer is greatly . The BLM wants to change all of Clark and most of Nye county's into designated trails only area. That means that they will designate the trails you can drive on and commonly they will close 40% of the trails do to being redundant or sensitive areas. Will it be the trails you like? Will it be the spot you like to camp ? Will it be the special spot you like to go to?
     
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  20. offroadracer516

    offroadracer516 Well-Known Member

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    Just called both offices. More people should do the same.
     
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