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How is everyone! Im doing the same as John getting the car back up to par, had to change the plug wires and bleed the brakes. Oh the tires are 9 years old but they sill hook up, got the front wheels off the ground on the street =) John G great to see your doing well, Glad your still a type 4.
Hi Eric glad to see you’re doing well, It’s been a long process to get my car back to where it was my brother made it street legal with opening doors. He completely remade the chassis so I’ve been in the process of making it back to what it was
 

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How is everyone! Im doing the same as John getting the car back up to par, had to change the plug wires and bleed the brakes. Oh the tires are 9 years old but they sill hook up, got the front wheels off the ground on the street =) John G great to see your doing well, Glad your still a type 4.
You coming out of retirement too Eric??
 

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180 at the wheels? wow my Subaru was almost 200 on a engine Dino but in the car at the wheels its whopping 131
 

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just out of curiosity what do most 5 cars weigh my full figured gal is 3140 no fuel, tools, spare, or my fat a--
 

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There’s a few out there that are trying to run unique set ups that keep to themselves. Usually the guys doing that have to spend a lot of money to get things to work. In most cases it doesn’t but teams like Grabowski’s with their Subaru and cade garcia with his Honda are Doing real well with their set up. I’m running the 2.4 di as are most teams. I’ve had great luck with that engine. It’s the only thing on my car that doesn’t need to be rebuilt every 500-1000 miles.
 

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just out of curiosity what do most 5 cars weigh my full figured gal is 3140 no fuel, tools, spare, or my fat a--
Jake’s are around 2700- 2800 less occupants. That is with a lot of thought put into weight loss. You’d be hard pressed to find a much lighter car, maybe a crumco due to less overall tubing in the car.

my crate 2.4 was at 171hp on the chassis dyno on 91. But the k24a In cades car is probably pushing 200, and same with the Big Subaru but those numbers are behind the walls of Fort Knox. At Parker it was evident, those guys went 1-2, but the playing field seems more level in Lucerne, Primm/Jean, etc.
 

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Last dyno pass we did with the type 4 we were at 210 and 212 Torq at the wheels at 6500rpm, Weight is 2500 with no fuel or people. Not sure on retirement, need a few items to get back to race level! Don't have nay of my sponsor's anymore. One More season on the engine and a freshen up. Usually a set of rings bearings and we were good to go.
 

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Im surprised the type 4’s have those high of numbers. If the engine can live at 6000 rpm’s all day without cooking itself you’ll be fine.

Looking forward to seeing you and John run the big air cooled cars again. I re did Vic bruckmans old car last year for my buddy kenny and that thing had so much low end grunt compared to my ecotec.
 

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Zac, the best thing was fuel injection. The redline system cut spark every other cylinder at 6501 rpm and cut fuel at 7000 making the engine bullet proof. This helped when you get in the heat of the battle! Cant push the limits. I always raced with the throttle connected to the wallet. It would be fun to see what the car can do with it 100% wide open!
 

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Jake’s are around 2700- 2800 less occupants. That is with a lot of thought put into weight loss. You’d be hard pressed to find a much lighter car, maybe a crumco due to less overall tubing in the car.

my crate 2.4 was at 171hp on the chassis dyno on 91. But the k24a In cades car is probably pushing 200, and same with the Big Subaru but those numbers are behind the walls of Fort Knox. At Parker it was evident, those guys went 1-2, but the playing field seems more level in Lucerne, Primm/Jean, etc.

What kind of dyno did you guys dyno on and what math got you the wheels number? We did a hub dyno and pulled 195hp and 210trq with the 2.5 did you guys do the same and subtract lets say 20 from each?
 

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What kind of dyno did you guys dyno on and what math got you the wheels number? We did a hub dyno and pulled 195hp and 210trq with the 2.5 did you guys do the same and subtract lets say 20 from each?
It was at redline and I got the printout. The Danzio lovers will say the redline dyno has a +5hp bump...
 

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What kind of dyno did you guys dyno on and what math got you the wheels number? We did a hub dyno and pulled 195hp and 210trq with the 2.5 did you guys do the same and subtract lets say 20 from each?
I've seen the dyno sheets for numerous 2.5's that Dyno'd at the same shop down in Wilmington. We're all in range I think with yours having the biggest numbers I've seen by a small margin. I've also seen the sheets for 2.5's on Westec's Dyno and can conclude that the one in Wilmington is pretty generous on it's numbers. I like the power they make and the low $600 price tag from the wrecking yard compared to the higher demand 2.4DI. I've been in a few all out drag races with the 2.4 and did not feel that I had a power advantage, I have a lot of .120wall tubing and a steel cab so that doesn't help. Next time there's a scale around I'll jump on.
 

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It was at redline and I got the printout. The Danzio lovers will say the redline dyno has a +5hp bump...
If it was on the hub dyno, straight from Mike’s keyboard the hub has +4hp over the wheel dyno, back to back.
2.4L We see 170 to the wheels on average, some better at 175-178, some worse at 165 depending on drivetrain and wheel and tire combo. The chassis dyno numbers are really misleading as I have seen a simple wheel and tire combo change by 10hp back to back on the same car.
 
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What’s up guys. I’m still building my 5 open bug.any body know what’s the ideal mounting angle for an ecotec? I currently have it at 10* but I can’t convince myself that that’s the right angle. Seems steep. Attached are some pictures.
 

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It is steep. The closer to flat you go the lowers the center of gravity. I have heard you need a rake to keep oil in the gear carrier of the trans but there are guys that run it at 0 degrees without issue.
 
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