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Dakar '18 -Stage 12- Fiambalá > Chilecito > San Juan

Discussion in 'Rally Raid' started by E. Araiza, Jan 17, 2018.

  1. mrlentle

    mrlentle Well-Known Member

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    Now that's exciting racing!!!
     
  2. Spark

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    At wp9 Villagra faster than Nikolaev by 2minuts
     
  3. Chris Tobin

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    While there were instances that he did something to make me shake my head, there were many more positives than negatives for me...
     
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  4. Spark

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    Wp10 Villagra increased his lead to 5minuts
     
  5. Short Bus

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    It is interesting that someone gets a 15 minute penalty for broken limiting straps and someone else only got a 10 minute penalty for potentially dangerous driving (I know that one has been rescinded).
     
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  6. Dirty Harry

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    Yeah I raised my eyebrows when i saw that one also!
     
  7. Petepecas

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  8. Spark

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    So after finish of 12 days racing the desert Nikolaev lead overall on Villagra by one......
    Second!
     
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  9. mrlentle

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    Limiting straps issue would be more about the extra suspension travel (i. potential cheating) than the fact they're broken I'd imagine. There was a kiwi way back who used to bodge weld shocks to standard mounts in a control class. They were allowed extra shocks but had to have the standards in place too. As soon as racing started, the standard ones would break and you had extended travel. Rough, but tricky :confused:
     
  10. BANNED4LIFE

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    rg is a kiwi????
     
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  11. Spark

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    Penalty for stripes is in the rules as I can recall. And it is obviously and simply verifieble fact during post finish inspection. It's can be broken or not, no other options=)
    It's not he said she said versions of one episode from two different persons with out any vitnesses or photo's/videos.
     
  12. mrlentle

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    Thanks Pete - I just sprayed my coffee all over my keyboard
     
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  13. Spark

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    And I don't know how to judge that episode of Carlos collision the right way. Is there a right way in this situation? I've listened versions from both sides and to me it's just a racing episode. I mean cmon fastest crews do dosens of passes like that every day. There is sentinel for that. It worked, koolen herd it.... then they didn't understand each other.
    There is one thing in that situation: if Carlos slightly hit him and didn't notice that, so it is how it is, how could you complane?
    But if he slightly hit him, notice it, he must stop and make sure that he was OK. Did he hit him, notice that and moved on not giving a I failed high school, so he is complete moron? We never know that I guess.... but to me he is not that type of person and I believe in his version.
     
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  14. JPBart

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    My bet is he rubbed him and it scared the hell out of the rider who doesn't feel like he is getting the respect he wants so he is throwing a tantrum and making a big deal about it.

    He may have a lot of money and be very successful but he is delusional if he thinks he has better lawyers than Peugeot and can somehow use them to create proof that Sainz tried to kill him. First, what are his damages? A tool box and a bruise. Proof that Sainz is the one who damaged the tool box and caused the bruise? On the flip side Sainz has telemetry that shows there was not a measurable impact.

    Stop being snowflake and sack up. You are paying a lot of money to go on the adventure of a lifetime. Now you have a cool story to tell around the bench racing.
     
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  16. GEO_DXB

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    And voila... El Coyote apparently caught refueling illegally by KAMAZ's media or crew.



    Wonder what will now happen.
     
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  17. mrlentle

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    What's the standard penalty for illegal refueling George?
     
  18. Spark

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    Up to disqualification
    But isn't it refueling on netralization zone like last year Peterhansel did?
     
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  19. GEO_DXB

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  20. GEO_DXB

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    There's some tool boxes outside the trucks, so can presume assistance. Need to see if assistance would be allowed and legal - otherwise could be 3 hours penalty on top of refuel issues.

    Expect KAMAZ to write a proper protest and stick to it - they need that win to secure the state budget and keep on.
     
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