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Dakar '18 - Stage 3 - Pisco > San Juan de Marcona

BANNED4LIFE

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What really is miserable is they didn't keep up with the necessary effort to climb the learning curve.
they thought that throwing millions at it was going to mean a guaranteed win in baja.....not that easy...too many variables and good, experienced, privateer teams to deal with....
 

GEO_DXB

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Why did he modify? Just asking.. not being snarky.



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Im not JLS so i dont know why exactly. But guess a lot of it is the european vs. USA way + his driving style and african experience + getting parts. Remember it was 90s so back than you hardly had internet and all this. Even now we spend hours trying to chase US companies to procure things while he could get smth done locally in France quicker. I remember reading about his buggies as a kid and they said in motorsport magazines that he changed lots of things in the setup.
 

tractoR

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hahahahahhah....grasping....after called out.....nice, french style?
Are you trying to prove a point that trophy trucks would be sooo much better in the Argentina twisty stages?
Apples and oranges are two very different forms of offroad racing, neither being better than the other, only different.
2WD long travel works so much better today in Dakar not only because that's what Yanks swear by, they also benefit from more favourable regulations, greater engineering and financial effort from the team, and excellent racing crews.
 

michael_loomis

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It’s important to note, JLS did it in his own Porsche powered buggies first.. in the 90’s before he ever bought anything from Jimco. It was a beam car.. any guesses where the beam car/Porsche combo came from?


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michael_loomis

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Im not JLS so i dont know why exactly. But guess a lot of it is the european vs. USA way + his driving style and african experience + getting parts. Remember it was 90s so back than you hardly had internet and all this. Even now we spend hours trying to chase US companies to procure things while he could get smth done locally in France quicker. I remember reading about his buggies as a kid and they said in motorsport magazines that he changed lots of things in the setup.
After his own buggies... it was time to upgrade. VW apparently contracted Jimco in 2003. Schlesser and several others followed suit.


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GEO_DXB

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It’s important to note, JLS did it in his own Porsche powered buggies first.. in the 90’s before he ever bought anything from Jimco. It was a beam car.. any guesses where the beam car/Porsche combo came from?


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Porsche built Poch Ladas so maybe he picked up the engines through the french Porsche connection. But he also knew lots of people through stage rallies.
 

Dirty Harry

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I would love to see more Americans get involved in rally raid. Like Baja, the majority of Dakar racers are "gentleman racers" who are not necessarily competitive for the overall win, but go for their own reasons. For these guys, just like in Baja, to even reach the finish line is a win.

The truth is though, Dakar makes racing a Trophy Truck at the 1000 look like a trip to the local go-cart track in terms of cost. It would take a huge investment to be competitive. The fact that RG was able to nip at the giant's heels with his (relatively) low budget program is definitely a big part of his appeal.
 
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BANNED4LIFE

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Are you trying to prove a point that trophy trucks would be sooo much better in the Argentina twisty stages?
Apples and oranges are two very different forms of offroad racing, neither being better than the other, only different.
2WD long travel works so much better today in Dakar not only because that's what Yanks swear by, they also benefit from more favourable regulations, greater engineering and financial effort from the team, and excellent racing crews.
dakar rules TOTALLY determine what to build for each year, i get it....its constantly changing and thats why they go from big to small and 4by to 2wd....i get it....im just laughing at the guy that said u.s. built stuff doesnt compete, he obviously forgot about shlesser....main reason us teams dont do dakar is nobody in u.s. cares, no sponsors or money to make it happen....it sucks, it would be awesome to have a $25mil team with rob mac and andy and luke and our best guys going to try and win it, but i dont see that happening
 

michael_loomis

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Porsche built Poch Ladas so maybe he picked up the engines through the french Porsche connection. But he also knew lots of people through stage rallies.
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Cars from the era and before.. except that last one. That’s me and a buddies car getting ready to race in 06. But that’s an old McMillin car now still racing in Australia.



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GEO_DXB

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dakar rules TOTALLY determine what to build for each year, i get it....its constantly changing and thats why they go from big to small and 4by to 2wd....i get it....im just laughing at the guy that said u.s. built stuff doesnt compete, he obviously forgot about shlesser....main reason us teams dont do dakar is nobody in u.s. cares, no sponsors or money to make it happen....it sucks, it would be awesome to have a $25mil team with rob mac and andy and luke and our best guys going to try and win it, but i dont see that happening

Since you dont really shut up - I race a US built buggy modified by a mix of brits and americans in the World Cup events. Guess that makes me a guy who knows more than you.
 

michael_loomis

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We can’t build reliable cars apparently. Lol. Nasser in the Humbuggy really put on a show, until he broke it.



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BANNED4LIFE

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Since you dont really shut up - I race a US built buggy modified by a mix of brits and americans in the World Cup events. Guess that makes me a guy who knows more than you.
pics?
 

GEO_DXB

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Do I need to bother? I kinda understand there are people who need to have the last word in every conversation and I'm happy to give you the opportunity. Just hoping here you will say something meaningful.
 
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