Dakar 2017 Stage 4 - SAN SALVADOR DE JUJUY - TUPIZA

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So apparently the Honda fuel issue was not a cheating issue, but a poor communication problem. The teams were all told to fuel their support vehicles before crossing the border. Race vehicles were supposed to not stop like the support vehicles and fuel only at the designated fuel stop. Someone with Honda told the race bikes to stop where the support vehicles stopped.
 

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So apparently the Honda fuel issue was not a cheating issue, but a poor communication problem. The teams were all told to fuel their support vehicles before crossing the border. Race vehicles were supposed to not stop like the support vehicles and fuel only at the designated fuel stop. Someone with Honda told the race bikes to stop where the support vehicles stopped.


Wow an hour penalty seems pretty harsh for an honest mistake!


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So apparently the Honda fuel issue was not a cheating issue, but a poor communication problem. The teams were all told to fuel their support vehicles before crossing the border. Race vehicles were supposed to not stop like the support vehicles and fuel only at the designated fuel stop. Someone with Honda told the race bikes to stop where the support vehicles stopped.

How did you learn about this? The roadbook they get states clearly where the refueling stops should be done. This can only change IF the organization issues a bulletin. Specials and transit stages are clearly marked and full of info in the roadbook.
 

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How did you learn about this? The roadbook they get states clearly where the refueling stops should be done. This can only change IF the organization issues a bulletin. Specials and transit stages are clearly marked and full of info in the roadbook.

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The roadbook they get states clearly where the refueling stops should be done. This can only change IF the organization issues a bulletin. Specials and transit stages are clearly marked and full of info in the roadbook.
On Liaisons many gas stations may be marked in the roadbook, but you can stop at any gas station you want. In Specials they have to stop where ASO says to stop. But when there is a paved section between two Specials, that section might be neutralized (not ok to stop for gas at any location) or Liaison (ok to stop anywhere). Apparently some of the ASO documentation indicated that section was neutralized, and some indicated it was Liaison (that's a mistake by ASO). So, there was room for an error depending on which information you are reading. It seems entirely possible that Honda was careless and used the wrong information.
 

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How did you learn about this?
When I made the comment about Honda & cheating, I was wrong and I felt it was my responsibility to dig deeper and get to the bottom of the penalty. There are plenty of people world wide following Rally Raids on multiple other "social media" sites that are much more reliable than RDC, especially when it comes to motos.
 

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On Liaisons many gas stations may be marked in the roadbook, but you can stop at any gas station you want. In Specials they have to stop where ASO says to stop. But when there is a paved section between two Specials, that section might be neutralized (not ok to stop for gas at any location) or Liaison (ok to stop anywhere). Apparently some of the ASO documentation indicated that section was neutralized, and some indicated it was Liaison (that's a mistake by ASO). So, there was room for an error depending on which information you are reading. It seems entirely possible that Honda was careless and used the wrong information.
So Honda should protest the decision, should it not? unless they did make a mistake or cheat.
 

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2017 Dakar Rally
January 1-14, 2017


Leg 4: San Salvador de Jujuy - Tupiza
Special stage: 416km: Liaison sections: 105km

OVERDRIVE RACING’S ROMA AND HARO THIRD FASTEST INTO BOLIVIA AND CLOSE IN ON DAKAR RALLY LEAD

TUPIZA (BOLIVIA) – Thursday, January 5: Toyota Gazoo Racing South Africa and Overdrive Racing put third stage disappointments and the retirement of Nasser Saleh Al-Atttiyah firmly behind them on the fourth special stage of the 2017 Dakar Rally between San Salvador de Jujuy in Argentina and Tupiza in Bolivia on Thursday.

The Spanish crew of Joan Roma and Alex Haro began the day in fifth place in the overall rankings after collecting a puncture on stage three and were second quickest through the opening passage control and reached the Bolivian frontier in a similar position. They dropped several minutes over the closing kilometres to stage winner and new race leader Cyril Despres, but the Overdrive Racing crew earned the third quickest time, maintained fifth overall and closed to within 10min 30sec of the outright rally lead.

Giniel De Villiers and Dirk von Zitzewitz now head the Toyota Gazoo Racing South African team’s challenge in their Hilux and set about climbing back towards the top five from 10th overall. Despite minor delays on the stage, the 2009 winner was able to climb three places in the rankings and reached Tupiza in seventh position and is still within striking distance of the podium over the remaining eight stages before the finish in Buenos Aires on January 14th.

Al-Attiyah and Baumel forced to withdraw after third stage crash

Toyota Gazoo Racing and Overdrive technicians examined Nasser Saleh Al-Attiyah’s Toyota in San Salvador de Jujuy when he arrived at the bivouac in the early hours of Thursday morning and were forced to withdraw the Qatari’s car from the race when damage to the chassis was discovered. It was a bitter disappointment for the two-time winner of the race who had led outright after the first stage in Paraguay on January 2nd.

The Dutch crew of Erik van Loon and Wouter Rosegaar bounced back strongly from a disappointing third stage to set the eighth quickest time into Tupiza. With several rivals falling by the wayside, the performance was sufficient to lift Van Loon from 36th at the start of the day to 23rd in the unofficial standings.

Ronan Chabot and Gilles Pillot surged up the leader board on Wednesday and began the fourth stage from 12th position, but the French crew dropped over two hours on the run to the frontier with Bolivia and slipped back to 20th overall. They had not started the second section on Thursday evening after sustaining an engine issue.

Zimbabwean Conrad Rautenbach and co-driver Robert Howie hit trouble before the first section of the stage finished near the border with Bolivia, although they maintained 21st at the start of the second part of the stage and reached the overnight halt in 19th position.

Alejandro Yacopini and Daniel Merlo were running in 27th overall after section one of the day’s stage and reached Tupiza in an unofficial 25th, but the Chinese crew of He Zhitao and Kai Zhao failed to pass the first waypoint in their Overdrive Racing Toyota running under the Boundless Yong Team banner.

TODAY AND TOMORROW

The day’s stage of 416km was delayed over an hour because of low-lying fog and then headed north towards the Bolivia frontier at altitudes of over 3,400 metres. There was a short neutralisation zone at the border point, before the final kilometres at energy-sapping heights to the remote mining settlement of Tupiza in the Potosi Department. The route included a punishing special stage of 416km in a route of 521km and even featured challenging dune crossings at altitude.

The first true Bolivian stage on Friday starts out of Tupiza and heads in the direction of Oruro. This is the longest special of the event so far, at 447km, in a route of 692km. The battle will be fought out at altitude on the Bolivian Altoplano and includes a series of dune sections near the finish.

WHAT THEY SAID:

JEAN-MARC FORTIN, CEO OF OVERDRIVE RACING

“Regrettably, we have been forced to withdraw Nasser’s car from the rally. He finished the stage yesterday on three wheels and carried on to the end after they made some repairs at 4,000 metres with some help with some spare parts from the car. They arrived quite late at the bivouac around 01.00hrs this morning. The problem was the chassis was damaged at the bottom, close to the tank, and we are not able to restart for security reasons. Because, if you bend the chassis, you are not allowed to restart. This is the end of the game - a sad fact. It is a shame. Because it would have been possible to win some stages with Nasser and to make some more headlines going forward over the next few days.”

2017 Dakar Rally –SS4 result (top 6 only):

1. Cyril Despres (FRA)/David Castera (FRA) Peugeot 3008 DKR 4hr 22min 55sec
2. Mikko Hirvonen (FIN)/Michel Périn (FRA) John Cooper Works Rally Mini 4hr 33min 46sec
3. Joan Roma (ESP)/Alex Haro (ESP) Toyota Hilux Overdrive 4hr 35min 46sec
4. Stéphane Peterhansel (FRA)/Jean-Paul Cottret (FRA) Peugeot 3008 DKR 4hr 38min 10sec
5. Sébastien Loeb (FRA)/Daniel Elena (FRA) Peugeot 3008 DKR 4hr 45min 08sec
6. Giniel de Villiers (ZAF)/Dirk von Zitzewitz (DEU) Toyota Gazoo Hilux 4hr 46min 59sec

2017 Dakar Rally – overall standings after SS4 (unofficial @ 22.40hrs CET):

1. Cyril Despres (FRA)/David Castera (FRA) Peugeot 3008 DKR 11hr 33min 16sec
2. Stéphane Peterhansel (FRA)/Jean-Paul Cottret (FRA) Peugeot 3008 DKR 11hr 37min 24sec
3. Mikko Hirvonen (FIN)/Michel Périn (FRA) John Cooper Works Rally Mini 11hr 38min 10sec
4. Sébastien Loeb (FRA)/Daniel Elena (MCO) Peugeot 3008 DKR 11hr 40min 04sec
5. Joan Roma (ESP)/Alex Haro (ESP) Toyota Hilux Overdrive 11hr 43min 46sec
6. Jakub Przygonski (POL)/Tom Colsoul (BEL) John Cooper Works Rally Mini 12hr 09min 51sec
7. Giniel de Villiers (ZAF)/Dirk von Zitzewitz (DEU) Toyota Gazoo Hilux 12hr 17min 15sec
8. Orlando Terranova (ARG)/Andreas Schulz (DEU) John Cooper Works Rally Mini 12hr 21min 53sec
19. Conrad Rautenbach (ZWE)/Robert Howie (ZAF) Toyota Gazoo Hilux 14hr 46min 04sec
23. Erik van Loon (NED)/Wouter Rosegaar (NED) Toyota Hilux Overdrive 15hr 27min 28sec
25. Alejandro Yacopini (ARG)/Daniel Merlo (ARG) Toyota Hliux Overdrive 15hr 48min 25sec
 
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