strap a bottle of NOS to the bikes and see wtf happensThe only thing bad about it is the way it’s making udall and all the other true stuntmen of our sport feel. All of this came from motorcycle racing it’s our collective roots. How can we make it better for the bikes !
well most people are complaining about UTVs so im pretty positive the UTVs are the problem, when was the last time someone posted a thread about how TT and Class 1 are effing up race courses2600lb ,200hp UTVs ruining race courses and creating chatter bumps? Haha
Id be more worried about the millionaire “hobbyist” who buys a 1000hp TT than the few newbs that race UTV. 1. They all start behind most of you race snobs anyways haha 2. Last time I checked 0 spectators have been killed by UTV drivers unlike other classes 3. when an ill-prepared moto guy spends $9000 and rolls up to the line Baja500 we applaud them as warriors, until they wad themselves, get stranded and or worst and become a horrible statistic of the sport. 4. There was a big crash with a C10 and Spec in the lakebed at the 500, and few years back the C1 and Spec head-on... those are racing accidents. Imagine a UTV was involved in either of those and you’d want the whole category banned. As far as desert racing goes, the problem, if there is one, isnt the UTV class.
you can design a six pack rack so we can drink and ride like the fat out of shape utv guys do!The only thing bad about it is the way it’s making udall and all the other true stuntmen of our sport feel. All of this came from motorcycle racing it’s our collective roots. How can we make it better for the bikes !
Kristen & Wayne could be in another class besides UTV, but why? TT Spec, class 10, 1 or TT does not give you any more drivers cred. It definitely does not bring in more sponsors or money. It will cost you more money though as those are all Hobby classes.KM reminds me a lot of Johnny Angal on his way up.
Her abilities are way above the class she currently races in.
I'm confident she can be immediately competitive in a spec truck on her wy to TT stardom.
There are not many ranks in any series in motorsports that a woman regularly schools the men.
IMO, she ranks up there with Shirley Muldowney, Lynn St James, Danica Patrick and the like.
Only difference is she is consistently owning the men where the 3 prior merely were competitive at times.
She is just plain badass!
gotta wait for junkyards to fill up with broke di k can am's, kinda like how vw racing used to be cheap& easy with junkyards FULL of bugs, busses, karman ghias, ....ok, what im mainly seeing on this thread is a nuclear meltdown ... all in all UTV's Might be good for the racing scene because it gives race promoters money, but not good to race against (so it seems) but here's the thing, something can only last XX amount of time before it dies off, so when UTVS die off like classes usually do, wtf are people gonna turn to? class 11..
i love reading class 5 only, if i race again, i hope the class i can afford is like themI feel your pain. I believe it all went to social media sites which i do none of.
There is very little comraderie on RDC anymore.
And post race vids and chatter are all but inaccessible unless you are a social media ho.
yup, dont scream 'Get off my lawn '!! at a wayward sxs youngster, show him the errors of his ways, dont just give stink eye to a new guy in the surf line up, talk to him/ her and educate on proper etiquette& manners, & help clean up the mess the children leave behind, education& example, our only hope!, not bitching & moaning and screaming get off my lawnI agree. And as someone who has contributed to this attitude it does make me wonder why.
Because as many have listed here, there are a lot of great attributes to the UTV scene. From both competitive aspects to practical aspects, like having one vehicle that your whole family can enjoy the desert in.
I think it boils down to a couple things that we in the desert community need to figure out to find a long term sustainable position in.
1. Environmental effects
No one here is saying that a UTV tears stuff up more than a buggy or a TT. But it’s a matter of quantity with the level of decay and issues they cause on terrain. As an MC guy living in Havasu, this is a real issue as there are now areas of our desert that are unrideable due to the Rzr-chop or whatever your circle calls it. As well, many small or even single-line trails are being widened and beat up from UTV use.
I don’t know what the answer is to this one, as more HP and more suspension capabilities and more popularity will make this worse. But the combination of factors here is making a big problem. We are seeing areas stateside and even ranchers in Baja closing areas because of the abuse that UTVs are bringing to the terrain.
Read through the comments and so much frustration is from the bad apples in the UTV crowd that bring the disrespectful, destructive, or dangerous attitudes into racing or recreating. This is hard because this is nothing new. I think about the quad community back in the day. Or even the FMX reputation before it became what it is today.
But the rapid influx of people into the off-road community via the UTV market has for sure introduced a LOT of bad apples.
I think the only possible answer here is education and more intentionality from manufacturers, 3rd party brands, and local organizations/dealers. I don’t think that all the bad apples are complete jerks, but that most of them are just uninformed on how to care for riding areas, how to promote safety in the desert, and how to keep this sport around for future generations.
I do think it’s possible to keep moving forward without making UTVs the demon in the room, but I really think that for the sustainability of our sport and hobby, there need to be real conversations about preserving riding areas with the new reality of UTV traffic and also on educating new UTV owners better
i used to cry about the Carlsbad free way down hill braking bumps, everyone in the lower pits said 'Jon, shut the fu k up & quit your ssssnivling'Well not sure if it counts but I have a few Baja 1000 wins and Norra 1000 wins (OBTW in vehicles I built and prepped myself) under my belt so try me, I might just surprise you with my ability to comprehend the engineering aspect of this.
Every vehicle that goes down the trail creates bumps. If the bumps are getting bad it has more to do with the volume of vehicles than the difference between a metal gear and a rubber belt. The wheelbase also has a lot to do with it which is why the bumps in a moto/quad heavy place like Ocotillo Wells are a lot different than the whoops in San Felipe.
like a rice burner, with a fart pipe AND an automatic transmission, sounds like a sick waterbuffaloOK so we can't blame chatter bumps on UTV's so whats next? We must have something else we can blame them for. Haha
The stupid sound of UTV's I hate the way they sound.
its The IRON mans fault, he showed every one that its not as ruff as YOU , and Me thought it was, soooo, desert nation had to spend more to keep up, its a visciuos cycle, now its sxs s turn to make us All figure out how to " get over it" & put sxs " chatter bumps " behind us other racers, & let the slower guys bitch about themwell most people are complaining about UTVs so im pretty positive the UTVs are the problem, when was the last time someone posted a thread about how TT and Class 1 are effing up race courses
For someone who has something to do with with making a living that has to do wth UTV's out of havasu, its strange you have such a hard stance on them. Unless I'm mistaken on this...oh they are here to stay no doubt and not saying (all) are a problem but i can tell you they all are pro drivers the day of purchase. you have a class that looks like a production unit to most so when some ass is out doing something stupid in a utv it does not make the class look good. like i said you do not see a tt or a 6100 or a class 10 car running up and down the streets and getting drunk and stupid in the desert but any weekend i can see a utv owner doing that. we all own one but is it good for the sport of desert racing?? not sure it is.