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jon coleman

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I feel your pain. I believe it all went to social media sites which i do none of.
There is very little comraderie on RDC anymore.
And post race vids and chatter are all but inaccessible unless you are a social media ho.
i love reading class 5 only, if i race again, i hope the class i can afford is like them
 

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I agree. And as someone who has contributed to this attitude it does make me wonder why.

Because as many have listed here, there are a lot of great attributes to the UTV scene. From both competitive aspects to practical aspects, like having one vehicle that your whole family can enjoy the desert in.

I think it boils down to a couple things that we in the desert community need to figure out to find a long term sustainable position in.

1. Environmental effects
No one here is saying that a UTV tears stuff up more than a buggy or a TT. But it’s a matter of quantity with the level of decay and issues they cause on terrain. As an MC guy living in Havasu, this is a real issue as there are now areas of our desert that are unrideable due to the Rzr-chop or whatever your circle calls it. As well, many small or even single-line trails are being widened and beat up from UTV use.

I don’t know what the answer is to this one, as more HP and more suspension capabilities and more popularity will make this worse. But the combination of factors here is making a big problem. We are seeing areas stateside and even ranchers in Baja closing areas because of the abuse that UTVs are bringing to the terrain.

2.Culture Issues
Read through the comments and so much frustration is from the bad apples in the UTV crowd that bring the disrespectful, destructive, or dangerous attitudes into racing or recreating. This is hard because this is nothing new. I think about the quad community back in the day. Or even the FMX reputation before it became what it is today.

But the rapid influx of people into the off-road community via the UTV market has for sure introduced a LOT of bad apples.

I think the only possible answer here is education and more intentionality from manufacturers, 3rd party brands, and local organizations/dealers. I don’t think that all the bad apples are complete jerks, but that most of them are just uninformed on how to care for riding areas, how to promote safety in the desert, and how to keep this sport around for future generations.

I do think it’s possible to keep moving forward without making UTVs the demon in the room, but I really think that for the sustainability of our sport and hobby, there need to be real conversations about preserving riding areas with the new reality of UTV traffic and also on educating new UTV owners better
yup, dont scream 'Get off my lawn '!! at a wayward sxs youngster, show him the errors of his ways, dont just give stink eye to a new guy in the surf line up, talk to him/ her and educate on proper etiquette& manners, & help clean up the mess the children leave behind, education& example, our only hope!, not bitching & moaning and screaming get off my lawn
 

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Well not sure if it counts but I have a few Baja 1000 wins and Norra 1000 wins (OBTW in vehicles I built and prepped myself) under my belt so try me, I might just surprise you with my ability to comprehend the engineering aspect of this.

Every vehicle that goes down the trail creates bumps. If the bumps are getting bad it has more to do with the volume of vehicles than the difference between a metal gear and a rubber belt. The wheelbase also has a lot to do with it which is why the bumps in a moto/quad heavy place like Ocotillo Wells are a lot different than the whoops in San Felipe.
i used to cry about the Carlsbad free way down hill braking bumps, everyone in the lower pits said 'Jon, shut the fu k up & quit your ssssnivling'
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OK so we can't blame chatter bumps on UTV's so whats next? We must have something else we can blame them for. Haha

The stupid sound of UTV's I hate the way they sound.

Mike
like a rice burner, with a fart pipe AND an automatic transmission, sounds like a sick waterbuffalo
 

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well most people are complaining about UTVs so im pretty positive the UTVs are the problem, when was the last time someone posted a thread about how TT and Class 1 are effing up race courses
its The IRON mans fault, he showed every one that its not as ruff as YOU , and Me thought it was, soooo, desert nation had to spend more to keep up, its a visciuos cycle, now its sxs s turn to make us All figure out how to " get over it" & put sxs " chatter bumps " behind us other racers, & let the slower guys bitch about them
 

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oh they are here to stay no doubt and not saying (all) are a problem but i can tell you they all are pro drivers the day of purchase. you have a class that looks like a production unit to most so when some ass is out doing something stupid in a utv it does not make the class look good. like i said you do not see a tt or a 6100 or a class 10 car running up and down the streets and getting drunk and stupid in the desert but any weekend i can see a utv owner doing that. we all own one but is it good for the sport of desert racing?? not sure it is.

For someone who has something to do with with making a living that has to do wth UTV's out of havasu, its strange you have such a hard stance on them. Unless I'm mistaken on this...


You must not be very active on IG, or social media. There are infact idiots running around in TT, fully built 1450's, and class 1's on roads and doing dumb poop and people look at them as race trucks. Joe blow has no idea what the difference from a 1450 to a TT is.


The UTV/SXS class has brought alot of new money into racing that otherwise wouldn't be there, it has allowed racing organizations to do better races, better events and help fight for land use better. It has made offroad companies grow to sizes they never would have imagined and they in turn support the sport better.

For the record, you can finance a 6100 or a TT. Just ask brenthel. Its all over the classifieds.



The truth of the matter is, Trails are getting beat up from just more use in general. If it wasnt SXS, it would be quads, etc doing the damage. Its a traffic issue, not a vehicle specific issue. Dirt bike tracks get gnarly braking bumps and square edges too from just enough bikes running the same lines...
 

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its The IRON mans fault, he showed every one that its not as ruff as YOU , and Me thought it was, soooo, desert nation had to spend more to keep up, its a visciuos cycle, now its sxs s turn to make us All figure out how to " get over it" & put sxs " chatter bumps " behind us other racers, & let the slower guys bitch about them
ohhhh everything is now Ivans fault
 

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For someone who has something to do with with making a living that has to do wth UTV's out of havasu, its strange you have such a hard stance on them. Unless I'm mistaken on this...


You must not be very active on IG, or social media. There are infact idiots running around in TT, fully built 1450's, and class 1's on roads and doing dumb poop and people look at them as race trucks. Joe blow has no idea what the difference from a 1450 to a TT is.


The UTV/SXS class has brought alot of new money into racing that otherwise wouldn't be there, it has allowed racing organizations to do better races, better events and help fight for land use better. It has made offroad companies grow to sizes they never would have imagined and they in turn support the sport better.

For the record, you can finance a 6100 or a TT. Just ask brenthel. Its all over the classifieds.



The truth of the matter is, Trails are getting beat up from just more use in general. If it wasnt SXS, it would be quads, etc doing the damage. Its a traffic issue, not a vehicle specific issue. Dirt bike tracks get gnarly braking bumps and square edges too from just enough bikes running the same lines...
i am hard on the utv user because i get to see first hand the damage done . most of the real car builders have very little to do with utv building some have done a few. the trails here are almost to the point you cant use them at all until your out 40 + miles away from everything. quads and dirt bikes have been here for years before the utv came along and the trails were fine. now if you try to go on a trail with a dirt bike or quad it is horrible. going on a utv is horrible. polaris tests here and has to grade the trail to even test there utv because its impossible to drive in chatter bumps and test anything! half the owners stay on the street and load up and drive out of town to use there utv because the trails are so destroyed. as far as racing they are helping themselves and that is great. as far as helping other classes in offroad i do not see it. parker 425 at one point had a 300+ race car count before the first utv was built. in fact there would be more car counts in the classes if there were not a utv class so it has hurt the classes other than there own.
 

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i am hard on the utv user because i get to see first hand the damage done . most of the real car builders have very little to do with utv building some have done a few. the trails here are almost to the point you cant use them at all until your out 40 + miles away from everything. quads and dirt bikes have been here for years before the utv came along and the trails were fine. now if you try to go on a trail with a dirt bike or quad it is horrible. going on a utv is horrible. polaris tests here and has to grade the trail to even test there utv because its impossible to drive in chatter bumps and test anything! half the owners stay on the street and load up and drive out of town to use there utv because the trails are so destroyed. as far as racing they are helping themselves and that is great. as far as helping other classes in offroad i do not see it. parker 425 at one point had a 300+ race car count before the first utv was built. in fact there would be more car counts in the classes if there were not a utv class so it has hurt the classes other than there own.

The last time I raced or saw a trail was 10 years ago in Barstow....I thought THAT was pretty horrible..... Please describe "horrible" in more detail..... what is happening to the trails that are making them no good until 40 miles out....??? Wasn't that called "washboard" in the sixties... ???
 

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i am hard on the utv user because i get to see first hand the damage done . most of the real car builders have very little to do with utv building some have done a few. the trails here are almost to the point you cant use them at all until your out 40 + miles away from everything. quads and dirt bikes have been here for years before the utv came along and the trails were fine. now if you try to go on a trail with a dirt bike or quad it is horrible. going on a utv is horrible. polaris tests here and has to grade the trail to even test there utv because its impossible to drive in chatter bumps and test anything! half the owners stay on the street and load up and drive out of town to use there utv because the trails are so destroyed. as far as racing they are helping themselves and that is great. as far as helping other classes in offroad i do not see it. parker 425 at one point had a 300+ race car count before the first utv was built. in fact there would be more car counts in the classes if there were not a utv class so it has hurt the classes other than there own.
Grasping at straws here over the class count deal. UTV is a semi affordable class to race if you aren't trying to run up front. You can argue that. So yes, they steal entries from other classes where someone might race but is racing a UTV instead.


Trails are more beat up because of SXS, I wont argue that. But its only because of their availability and ease of use. alot of the big name teams and smaller teams are pre running in SXS because of this alone. There's 10X the traffic their used to be on trails simply because its easier now. More family's are out and about etc.


They have their negatives, but all in all I think they are good for the sport.
 

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that's your opinion there great f
Grasping at straws here over the class count deal. UTV is a semi affordable class to race if you aren't trying to run up front. You can argue that. So yes, they steal entries from other classes where someone might race but is racing a UTV instead.


Trails are more beat up because of SXS, I wont argue that. But its only because of their availability and ease of use. alot of the big name teams and smaller teams are pre running in SXS because of this alone. There's 10X the traffic their used to be on trails simply because its easier now. More family's are out and about etc.


They have their negatives, but all in all I think they are good for the sport.
and that's your opinion coming from the utv side of things. i am looking at both sides and its more like 150x the traffic from utv use. its not all good and trails will get shut down because of it. we got swamped with boat use here because of covid and california and that's not all good either. time will tell on the utv issue.
 

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Kristen & Wayne could be in another class besides UTV, but why? TT Spec, class 10, 1 or TT does not give you any more drivers cred. It definitely does not bring in more sponsors or money. It will cost you more money though as those are all Hobby classes.

In fact Jumping into one of those classes would be a step back for the Matlocks. Look at the sponsorship support they have in UTV. First off they have top notch factory support. What other class are you going to have manufacture support, with money? What about the aftermarket Suspension kit companies that give them parts, with money! Not getting that in TT, Spec TT or 10. Then you have a dozen or more tires brands in the UTV class and they have full Yokohama support, with money. How many tires are in TT or Spec TT? Shock companies already have their teams in TT etc and might not add one more team to the roster. Matlocks have that Shock support in the UTV class and get the best of the best parts from them.

And finally they are beating allot of classes they could be in. So why jump ship to a privateer hobby class with no money or sponsorships in that class?

Another reason for the Matlock family to be in the UTV class!

Matlocks are going to Dakar with Polaris!


Remind me why they or someone else should move up out of the UTV class? I guess if your looking for less opportunity or money then it makes sense to get out of UTV’s.
 

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that's your opinion there great f

and that's your opinion coming from the utv side of things. i am looking at both sides and its more like 150x the traffic from utv use. its not all good and trails will get shut down because of it. we got swamped with boat use here because of covid and california and that's not all good either. time will tell on the utv issue.

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Is your business, is it not? I don't doubt that you see the damage first hand if so. But its opening the world up to offroad a lot more than before. Catching more peoples attention and bringing more into the races. Its not the people who race SXS that are the heart of this problem. We need better offroad education.
 
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