^^^Looks like you answered your own question.
I know pre-running is a great tradition but I am glad NORRA doesn’t allow it. Just look what pre-running does to SCORE race courses now. By race day it is tore up so bad that everyone ends up stuck in a log jam. As far as the voice in the ear, NORRA does a great job calling everything out in the road book. LeadNav gives you option to listen instead of reading as everything in the road book is programmed in.Nothing is more satisfying to me than to have won races using intensive prerunning, your eyes and mind to follow a race course, even if that means making a few wrong turns or hitting a few drop offs. Having a myna bird talking in your ear the whole way? I can get that at home and in the family car trying to find a hotel. Too much tech allowed for guidence but too late to go back now. Something has been lost in what Baja racing was about in a small way short of valuable Sat phones and safety tech. I get it though, once tech moved into guidence it just changed the whole outlook of a Baja race with more people able to cross a finish line.
This was my 3rd NORRA but first on a bike. Our team are all seasoned Off road Moto guys and know how to race in the desert.For sure Mex1k is better/wiser for a new Baja racer to experience Baja before tackling another event, and there’s nothing wrong with that.
Having been the biggest supporter of bikes in NORRA, we have taken many Baja-wanna-bes 1st to NORRA then to other events in Nevada or Baja.
Step by step.
I disagree that LeadNav is the safest for bikes.
Roadbook is safest.
Roadbook makes the rider slow down and think. Roadbook calls out almost everything possible.
Paper is reliable.
IMO we need to cut out the racers relying on technology (I don’t mean get rid of the racers themselves, you know what I mean).
Technology can fail and can not work correctly.
At this recent Mex1k there were a few people complaining and wanting time credit because “the LeadNav didn’t warn us about the bad curve”. Sheesh, really? Really.
I’ve made a few suggestions, even ways to better the LeadNav function, openly and to Eliseo.
IF roadbook for motos was made mandatory, even if I agree it should, IMO there would be fewer moto entries. I know there will be many who look at the event and the required parts to do roadbook and be, “nah, not interested”.
I wasn’t aware until this year that there are F2R real roadbooks that are manually operated. That’s a great start to getting them onto more bikes.
Listening to the leadnav IMO is the way to go for bikes and single seat cars. You don't have to look at anything as long as you can hear it. You can either use bluetooth earbuds if they are comfortable enough or hardwire into your helmet. The annual subscription level for leadnav that lets you hear the audible markers is about 40 bucks I think.
In a Rally they do not mark a course at all . NO ribbons, arrows,or lime. ( No pre running )I have a question. When I raced in the 70s, 80s and 90s we had none of that stuff. You followed course marking like ribbons, arrows, and sometimes lime. You went as fast as you could see and I dont see a problem with that. Everyone relies on all the new tech. Why not do it old school and bring the costs down or rental for all this new tech.
what he said! Personally I think the GPS track should be dummied down to minimize blindly following the GPS if your vehicle or life insurance supports that, not usually an option for Moto or ATC. Plenty of fast cars and trucks on their lids at corner exit from just following the GPS line this year IMO. I understand the challenges of the roadbook and leadnav is a great compromise. As stated below, just another took in the toolbox!This was my 3rd NORRA but first on a bike. Our team are all seasoned Off road Moto guys and know how to race in the desert.
We were first bike on road (1st OA) for a good part of the week this year at the NORRA 1K. We ended up 2nd OA for the week. We chose to use LeadNav in our ear and a simple GPS on the bars. We did this for a couple reasons. #1. We felt it is faster then reading a roadbook and #2 cost of all the road book (motorized) equipment in addition to all that equipment on the handle bars. None of use relied completely on LeadNav, it wasn't always right on, sometimes it would be a little behind or a little ahead. As a bike guy you ALWAYS ride what you can see. We thought LeadNav was great however.
I agree that if the road book was mandatory it may discourage a few guys but for the most part once you decide to do the NORRA, guys are in no matter what. Especeally if they dont have options. It is what it is so you either commit or not.
I also agree that the roadbook would definitely have a safety factor to it. It does make you slow down, think a bit and plan for whats coming up. You can absolutely go faster just following the blue line. Ask Mark Samules and Ricky Brabec. They told me the exact same thing.
We are absolutely coming back, not sure if it's this year or next but we will run the roadbook. If for anything it's a bit more challenging and it's a bit of a bragging right to say we beat you and we only used the roadbook.
I wouldn't complain if the roadbooks were mandatory fro motos but you would have to have a GPS as emergency back up in case you got lost. Not sure how you would police that.
Eliseo! Don't change a thing! It's awesome the way it is!
With the mix of vehicle capabilities in NORRA, that's not really an option. Closure speeds can be too great and Elesio's #1 goal is safety. The guy in the modern TT had a different definition of "fast as I can see" than a guy in a limited class. The roadbook minus the high res GPS track evens that field quite a bit.I have a question. When I raced in the 70s, 80s and 90s we had none of that stuff. You followed course marking like ribbons, arrows, and sometimes lime. You went as fast as you could see and I dont see a problem with that. Everyone relies on all the new tech. Why not do it old school and bring the costs down or rental for all this new tech.
This MONKEY is going to follow the GPS line with LeadNav in his ear, assuming I can work out the bugs for my particular application. Thanks to all who offered advice based on their experience with it, I really appreciate it.( Any MONKEY can follow a GPS line or listen to Lead Nav in their ear )
Our vintage Funco got slammed by a black modern class 1 car a couple of years ago. Car was hurt and injured the driver. I filled out the incident report and NORRA tried to ID the car but was unable to. We didn’t get a car number because our car was punted off a 3 foot berm and flying into a pile of boulders. I have heard others may have also been hit by the unknown black Buggy.After all the feedback.
1 major item that has not been made clear.
HITTING A VINTAGE CAR.
Sure, racers will be racers, but what about a clear cut rule?
Like was stated at the drivers meeting and not honored.
I got reamed by a TT type truck trying to "catch up" 3,000 in damages,
they did not get a penalty,
and my car was inches from being dead on the road in nowhere land.
If it was the black pre-runner he hit my car also; funny part is he was rolled over the next day.Our vintage Funco got slammed by a black modern class 1 car a couple of years ago. Car was hurt and injured the driver. I filled out the incident report and NORRA tried to ID the car but was unable to. We didn’t get a car number because our car was punted off a 3 foot berm and flying into a pile of boulders. I have heard others may have also been hit by the unknown black Buggy.
I got hit by a black four seat pre-runner in the 2018 MX1K. It had AZ plates. I found the guy at the hotel next to ours in La Paz. He was WAY gnarlier than me. I said 'dude, you hit a 35 year old vintage car.' He blew me off until I said...'apologize and shake my hand...plus state you will never do it again.' He said...'or what?' I said....'I will go to NORRA and have you DQ'ed...and I am not phucking kidding.' He puffed up and looked like he was going to take a swing at me then stuck his hand out and said 'sorry' and walked away. But never said he wouldn't do it again. Dick!If it was the black pre-runner he hit my car also; funny part is he was rolled over the next day.