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Gun / Protection to Baja for Pre-Run and Race?

yamaducci

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So what's the written / un-written rules of bringing a pistol to Baja for protection? What's common for teams to do? I am not sure about other states / countries laws.
Do people bring them and just don't talk about it?
Do they register it on the way across the border?
What happens if you get caught?
Can you just keep the gun and ammunition separate like in most non-open-carry states?
 

9rocky

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Biggest mistake you could EVER make!!! Do not EVER bring a gun into Mexico. You will spend a very long time in a Mexican prison if caught with no exceptions. Read about the US Marine who spent 2 years in prison...

US marine gun charges in Mexico
 

mv181aa

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No guns, no spent shells, no evidence at all. One spent shell found at a federale inspection can cost you $$ and time. An actual firearm can cost you time.
 

yamaducci

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This is one response I expected for sure. I would think there are some people that risk it though.
My whole thought on this is that I have girls on my Team (Daughter/Wife) that I am not sure I would even bring there without something.
I guess then the question is, what probability would I ever need protection. Do they (Mexicans) have guns, more so, than say someone in a major US city?
I have been to Baja, Pre-ran the 500 and had a great time and felt safe the whole way but there is always that one time when you need it.
 

green787

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This is one response I expected for sure. I would think there are some people that risk it though.
My whole thought on this is that I have girls on my Team (Daughter/Wife) that I am not sure I would even bring there without something.
I guess then the question is, what probability would I ever need protection. Do they (Mexicans) have guns, more so, than say someone in a major US city?
I have been to Baja, Pre-ran the 500 and had a great time and felt safe the whole way but there is always that one time when you need it.
Who are you going to shoot??? And then try to justify the action in a country where nobody has guns..... If everybody carries knives in a society, then you only need a knife.... If everybody carries a smile in a country, then you only need to carry a smile....:)

Credentials: I have been to Baja since I was a child.... Partied as a teenager there.... Partied at the Baja races there.... Been arrested there many times.... Raced 7s class in America....
 

yamaducci

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I hear you for sure but I also hear the news and let's face it I come from nearly the Murder Capital of the US. I don't live in Baltimore, Maryland anymore but I am just outside the city where there is more than 1 murder per day. For the last 5 years I have been driving straight through the center of where the violent protests went down. So I have to think realistically.
So are you saying the stories are true that Mexicans only carry knives and that they don't have guns? Not so sure about that.
 

Quailhunter

Covert Troll.
I think they the best advice for you is, you need to stay out of Mexico, don't ever go, it's not for everyone and it's clearly not for you.
 

flash

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Who is going to protect your girls while you are rotting in a Mexican jail? Mexican gun laws are Very strict. Most incidents you hear about, do not involve guns, except the cartel battles. For me, Baja is safer than the US, relax and enjoy it. I live in Baja full time.
 

Josh 8

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All good advise.

They have road side check points down there. They work. I know people that have been cought in them. There mostly looking for dope. But they get excited about guns too.

So here is the way it works. Ammo alone will get you in trouble. If they find a pistol your screwed. Count of 7 years in a Mexican prison. Or probably 1/2 million fine. Then once your out you have to go back to TJ once a week and sign in on a book. That’s parole. If you miss one signature you have busted your parole. If you get cought in Mexico after that it’s as a parole buster and you go back to a Mexican prison.

Btw, in a Mexican prison, your family has to pay for your meals, bed sheets, medical, smokes and on and on. And if you have this stuff in prison count on paying a lot for protection too.

Least I say, taking a gun or dope to Mexico is the stupidest thing any one can do.

It’s a great place. Don’t do anything stupid and usually nothing bad happens.

*****As a fallow up it this*****

As I understand it in Mexico, weapons are illegal. So what this mean? Well possibly a pocket knife could be interpreted as a weapon. If a cop sees it an asks, “what’s that” and you give some answer like “protection” then bam! It’s a weapon and that means trouble. On the other hand, if you answer to for cutting hoses, opening boxes or cutting a sandwich then it’s a tool and that’s legal and fine.

What about that machete? Well that’s a tool for clearing brush. But if you say it’s for protection, then it’s a sward and that’s weapon.

See how this works?

One more thing. If you store the tools with tools in a tool box with other tools with them it adds validity to the case that you see them as tools. If on the other hand there in the door pocket of your truck, in easy reach it will look like a weapon. Needles to say steak knives are legal in Mexico. Everyone has them. Just store them with all the cooking equipment and not hidden near the front seat of your truck.

And lastly. I won’t take a machete. Just to risky.
 
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yamaducci

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I think they the best advice for you is, you need to stay out of Mexico, don't ever go, it's not for everyone and it's clearly not for you.
You don't know squat. If you don't add anything to the conversation then there is nothing gained by your input...CLEARLY.
 

yamaducci

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Who is going to protect your girls while you are rotting in a Mexican jail? Mexican gun laws are Very strict. Most incidents you hear about, do not involve guns, except the cartel battles. For me, Baja is safer than the US, relax and enjoy it. I live in Baja full time.
Thanks Flash. Well put. That's what I thought but just wanted to bring up the subject since I have never heard anyone ask.
 

trailready

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but I also hear the news and let's face it I come from nearly the Murder Capital of the US. I don't live in Baltimore, Maryland anymore but I am just outside the city where there is more than 1 murder per day.
The easiest way to make Mexico safer for you is to quit believing what you hear on the news. 99.99% the only people are in danger in mexico are the same kind of folks that get killed in Baltimore and they are not tourists.
 

Ol' Curmudgeon

RDC's resident crackpot
And Kartman had an issue with a too large folding knife, IIRC.
 

yamaducci

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TR I agree. In Baltimore it's gangster vs. gangster (usually). If you stay out of their way (or area) you are fine. That's how I have always thought of Mexico. I know the news is not accurate; however, the shootings in Baja Sur/LaPaz are about 900%up. Still skewed toward the cartel and isolated events.
Anyway.... I just wanted to get the consensus. Looks like I got it.
 

Charlietuna

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You don't know squat. If you don't add anything to the conversation then there is nothing gained by your input...CLEARLY.
Just don't do it....period, full stop. Any fantasy you have of defending your wife/daughter/whoever from some marauding group of criminals is just that, a fantasy. Even if you did prevent "something" from happening, the Mexican govt WILL make an example out of you.

My personal experience with it...group of us were going to Ensenada for a long weekend to stay at a friend's house near La Bufadora. Five vehicles loaded down with various supplies (beer) for a 3 day stay at the beach. We crossed at TJ, Mexican Customs pulls three of us into secondary. No problem, we have nothing to worry about, right? Then the Mexicans start doing their job and find a single, empty shotgun shell under the back seat in one of our friends trucks. The driver's husband had been dove hunting the weekend before and missed it when he cleaned out the truck. Now, these are two, 40+ year old, married, white women, one's a teacher, one's a school board member...so you know, they are hardened criminals for sure. The Federales handcuffed both women on the spot and hauled them into a holding area. The other two vehicles that were called in, they of course got the full monty inspection (nothing found) and then they were escorted back to the US entry lanes and told in no uncertain terms to get the f**k out of Mexico. We, that had bypassed the inspection were able to get a hold of some friends in Rosarito that pointed us in the direction of a lawyer who eventually was able to get the case thrown out, but the women still spent a night in a holding cell in Mexico and it cost them both a few thousand bucks in "fees". The lawyer also told both of them that it was a good idea that neither of them try to go back to Mexico for a while either.
 

yamaducci

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That was the next question then.... Same knives as US are cool?
Like the basic pocket clip 4" or less?
 

Charlietuna

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That was the next question then.... Same knives as US are cool?
Like the basic pocket clip 4" or less?
Experience with that one too....got stopped at the checkpoint just north of Gonzaga. Soldier opens one of the tackle bags that's sitting in the front of the boat and right there on top is a folding Buck knife with a 5" blade. I'm thinking "oh I failed spelling", he promptly moves the knife aside, digs through the rest of the bag, asked me for a handful of lead heads and some swimbaits, which I gave him, he throws the knife back in the bag and waves us on (he even zipped the bag closed).

Just like in the US, LEOs in Mexico can harass/cite/arrest you for pretty much anything they want. It's up to a prosecutor and/or judge to determine whether the charges stick. Unfortunately, in Mexico, your "rights" are not nearly as important.
 
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