serious question..if your car is upside down or on it's side on fire, is a head and neck restraint system going to be a factor in you getting out of your car if you're a bit dingy from the initial crash event? personally, i'm more skeered to get burned up in a fire than anything else and if it requires more movement to escape a situation than you have by wearing this device, then i'll take my chances without one. you can't pick which kind of crash you might be involved in.
I use an R3 every race but I don't think it should be MANDATORY. If some person in another race car prefers to not wear one, that's his right. It doesn't hurt me if he breaks his neck when he wrecks. That's the way it should be. With all the lawsuits now, it may not be that way. Maybe if that guy does break his neck and sues, then that would shut down races and I would wish it would have been mandatory. Did I just go around in a circle?
Why yes, yes you did.
I didn't read all 3 pages but had some input. At the last 2 VORRA desert races there has been 3 incidents of injuries: first was a lawn dart after a 200' launch 80' in the air, the other 2 were spearing the opposite wall on a roller section. The lawn dart was a 7-open truck, driver wearing dcel=sore lower back, co-driver no hnr=broken L1 (prior back injuries in his lifetime. #2 was a TT, driver wearing dcel=broken L1, co-driver=no hnr, sore back. #3 was a stock full, not sure of any hnr but both occupants were broken L1 & T12. Point is, 6 drivers, 3 incidents, 2 dcels, 4 broken LOWER backs, 6 really sore backs.
As per Jeff from UPR earlier post, this thread should be about indentifying the most common injuries in offroad racing and how to solve them. HnR's are a marvel of modern racing science and there is no doubt that they work and have saved lives. The basics of racing safety are lacking in offroad and should be addressed first. After you address the basics, then you can start thinking about making HnR's mandatory. The debate over mandatory HnR's will most likely become a moot point, as the insurance companies have been making Hnr's mandatory for many racing organizations.
That was a bad day at the races, but I guess it could have been worse. How are those guys?
The t12 seems to be the most common injury, I think happens when your shoulders slump because your harness is loose from the bump you just hit or whatever just stopped you. The t12 is just above your lumbar.
Interesting read- http://www.umm.edu/spinecenter/education/compression_fracture.htm
Yeah, 2 bad days at the races. I will read up on that link. All drivers are recovering and I think the last went home this week (accidents were Labor Day weekend, and mid July). My post was simply that a HnR doesn't make you invincible nor prevent back injuries it but can't hurt. Incidently, 4 of the drivers were in 3G seats and two were in newer pro4 seats.
There is some controversy here in australia over the use of suspension seating. The theory is that it causes back injurys because when the seat compresses then you have a gap between your shoulders and harness and this is where compression of the spine occurs (in theory).
I too am in the market for HNR and am leaning twards the Leatt style. Your left and right head movement is not altered which is the bonus for me. I guess i look at it this way, they are designed for motorbike riders from enduro to free style and those boys have some serious body impact when they stack (more than we do in trucks) so i think that is the avenue i will be heading down.
Have a look and see what you think. http://www.leatt-brace.com/