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The Score sight says that starters will be broken into 2 groups starting at different times. Anybody have any info on what the starting order will be? Anyone heard the rumor about a landrush start? Hey John, you need to come down and check out the car so you can change my title. Finally!
 

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I just got this info from Score.

Group 1 will start at 6:00 am with a car leaving every 30 seconds

Starting order : (3 laps) 10, SL(12), 5, 1/2-1600, 3, 5-1600, 9

(2 laps) 11, SPT

Group 2 will start at 8:00 am with a car leaving every 30 seconds

Starting order : (3 laps) TT, 1, PT, 8, 7, 7S, 7SX

(2 laps) SF, SM

8-hour time limit for all classes


I guess the slower group 1 cars are going to be looking in the rear view mirror all day. How long before the Trophy Trucks start catching them?
 

Gabe Lara

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Brandon,

I read that on the SCORE site as well...
Starting the slower vehicles first just doesn't seem right to me either.

-Gabe
 

Kritter

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probably because more people will come to a start line to spectate at 8 rather then 6...If I was in group 2 I would be pissed...

I still dont understand why they dont switch henderson and laughlin...so many more people would attend as spectators and so many new people would attend laughlin by accident if the dates were swtiched. Laughlin in the winter, henderson in the summer is backasswards.
 

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I think that Laughlin wants to be the "first race of the year". Kinda like kicking off the season. I agree with you though, they should switch it. Has anybody ever made a formal inquiry?
 

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If the slower cars start first, 2 hours ahead of the first TT, and it's roughly an 80 mile loop, won't they be at least half way around the first lap? Better to have a forty mile gap than start behind the faster cars where a TT could be on the slower cars from the get go. Meaning, a TT would probably be finishing the first lap right before or after the Group A guys are getting off the line. So you could have current race traffic blowing by cars that haven't even gotten off the start line.

But, what do I know?

erik
 

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HDRA used to do this at Barstow for the Fireworks race years ago. The idea was that the classes would finish about the same time. It worked back then, but lap requirements were different. On any loop race, folks have to watch the mirror anyway. Advantage, the slow guys may be getting to start line when folks are still there to cheer!
 

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Great discussion.

I would like to explain the theory because it is different.

If you start the slower cars first, at 30 miles per hour (based on last year’s average), it will take 2.5 to 2.6 hours to complete a lap. With a 2-hour lead, they will only be passed once if they don't have problems, possibly twice if they are running 3 laps.

If you start in the normal starting order of all cars at 30 seconds apart, a TT and Class 1 will pass that same vehicles all 3 laps.

Also, as someone stated before, it adds to the spectator element. By 8 am it should be non-stop.

It may not work and we may never do it again, but with all other types of racing, spectators drive the money to the sport (such as sponsors and television). As you all know it's not an easy sport to watch and we would like to try new things that will grow the fan base.
 

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"we would like to try new things that will grow the fan base."

Laughlin has the highest visitor rate in July....you want specatotors and new blood...thats when the race should be held there. Laughlin is packed with racers in the winter who come for the race...not vacationers who could get hooked!

Henderson in the summer...125 degrees...from the outside looking in does not sound like fun. Ask somebody who knows nothing about desert racing and see if they would go sit in Africa heat to watch the race...the most common answer is no (i asked), but if you add in casinos, river, boating within rock throwing distance...you got more chance to get them there...
 

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Re: Henderson Lap Interval

What about the Class 10 cars? Last year the top guys in our class averaged 45-50 MPH that puts us starting just ahead of the TT's. If we don't average the 45 MPH then it puts us right behind the slower truck classes. Either way this is set up to fail. It would be best to start everyone in the normal fashion or split it into two separate races like Primm.

My .02
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Re: Henderson Lap Interval

All good points. SCORE also decided the same and told me they are revisiting the starting order and will post it on www.SCORE-International.com site.

As far as moving the race, it would be great but there are several factors including fitting into the schedule, willingness of other sponsors to move, displacement of hotel rooms (putting events on where they help the hotel's occupancies, not putting them on dates that would sell out anyway) etc.

Laughlin is unlikely to change to a summer date. The average temperature is about 5 to 10 degrees hotter than Las Vegas.
 

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Kritter, Have you lost your MIND? Do you know how much hotter it is in Laughlin than it is in Henderson this time of year? Laughlin/Bullhead city is typically 10 degrees hotter than Las Vegas/Henderson.....trust me, I know. Last year Henderson had a wierd storm front starting on Friday morning till Sunday, thats why Henderson was so hot last year. Remember how many people complained about the heat last year? Move it to Laughlin and NO ONE will show up for the race!!! Actually, it is kinda nice out right now, it's only 113 degrees right now, it's usually 120!
 

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I'im with you Rory but all true fans will still be there as well as THOUSANDS of unexpected ones that become hooked with one glimpse just as a lot of readers here were...and like I said the water, hotels, boating, etc...is within rock throwing distance. I think it would be an awesome idea...
 

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I think it would be much better to start the whole race in one group. Last year the course was only 55 miles so we were passing cars half way around the second Trophy Truck lap because it took so long to get off the line. This year the track is almost 80 miles, If we started the cars all in the same group it would be a lot like the Primm race: We would go the first lap and 3/4 before we had to pass the first set of slower vehicles and we would never catch the faster cars to lap them (ie class 10, 12, or Protruck). The race would have one start and to get them off the line quick you could go a car every 15 seconds. The problem with how it stands now is the fast 10 cars would be finishing a lap right in front of the Trophy Trucks and class 1's. I think that would be a bad mistake because when we get aggressive to make the pass on these fast cars we take the chance of hurting the smaller car. I would like to steer clear of the competition review board this year! Keep up the good work Bud, I can't wait till next week!!!
 

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i dont understand either kritter .... i liked laughlin a lot better when it was in september (or was it late august?)

as short as those races are , u can pick and choose the ones you want to "burn" through and its only 85 minute races , not all day (unless your really a die hard ) but even then ramadas west side rooms face the course , you could chill out in your room if so inclined and watch in the AC
 

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What about changing the start time to say 7:00 PM and make it a night race? New spectators could see the start and a good bit of the rest of the race before the sun set and the die hards would stick around no matter what.

erik
 

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I'm with you on the night schedule. I'd rather deal with being blinded by HID's at night than being slow-roasted like a Honey Baked ham during the day.
 

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Re: Henderson Lap Interval

I didn't mean to start a negative discussion. I am looking foward to the race and by starting at 6:00 it will probably be a little cooler for us. I think that you are always going to have traffic problems when you run more than one lap. I just hope everyone has a safe day.
 

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Re: Henderson Lap Interval

Brandon-

I don't believe you created a "negative" discussion, but rather opened dialogue for competitors to air their concerns about the planned starting format.

The TT and Class 1 teams I've heard from, all expressed tremendous concern about starting after the slower cars. They all understand that slower traffic is always a factor in "loop" events, however, the risk is that much greater when those vehicles are placed directly in harms way. In conversations I've had, the faster vehicles are worried about coming in contact with the slower cars, and the slower cars are WAY concerned about tangling with the faster, bigger vehicles.

My thought is this: By starting the race in the "traditional" format (faster classes first, slower classes at back) every competitor is more at ease, and less-likely to make a mistake because they worrying about being struck by, or striking another vehicle. In addition, lapped-traffic will be an issue, however, by that time, everyone will have settled-down, found their groove, and will be expecting to pass or be passed. Just my .02, and the thoughts of several competiors.

Also, we are fortunate to have Bud Pico (from the Henderson Convention & Visitor's Bureau) utilize RDC to
communicate the thought process behind what SCORE is trying to achieve at this event. What other event "promoter" in ANY series is putting himself in an open forum to extend an invitation, as well as hear concerns (and resply to them!) about the activities planned at his event? None, except for Bud Pico and Henderson! Thanks for your insight and dedication Bud!

Looking forward to seeing everyone in Henderson!
 

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Re: Henderson Lap Interval

Good point on Bud's responding here Tony...

Believe it or not everyone, alot of the other race promoters do read the page frequently, as we've gotten feedback from them at races as well.

Good to see it here on RDC, as thats what its all about!

-Gabe
 
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